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Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

They should rely on the generosity of their Alumni for their endowment?

Well, another thing is, once they unionize it IS going to be "major" sports. :roll: Some of these colleges might actually spend money on these players. Other colleges will have to scrap most if not all of their sports teams, I would imagine. Unless this is repealed. I hope it gets repealed. I'm not a big college sports fan personally, but WTH, this is such a stupid idea!
 
Well, another thing is, once they unionize it IS going to be "major" sports. :roll: Some of these colleges might actually spend money on these players. Other colleges will have to scrap most if not all of their sports teams, I would imagine. Unless this is repealed. I hope it gets repealed. I'm not a big college sports fan personally, but WTH, this is such a stupid idea!

See and if I do watch sports nowadays it's almost exclusively collegiate. Because it's about the game, its about rivalry, it's about anything and everything BUT the almighty dollar.(idealistically I know, trying to cut back on my cynicism)

What these kids don't realize is that in part the money "made off them" is what pays for their free ride.
 
Who are YOU to say? :roll: MANY other people would disagree with you. So, you don't like college sports and that's why you support this? What about all the people who do enjoy participating in and watching college sports?

I like college sports.

But I like Higher Education better. And there is no reason they should be joined.
 
The problem with the post above is that the kids in those programs earn the university far more money than any student/professor. So they do in fact earn their "opportunities".

This is a common misstatement that I've been guilty of myself.

The FOOTBALL PROGRAM earns the university tremendous amounts of money, but that is the result of years and years of tradition and lore that the alumni and fan base of the university have built, not the kids currently on the team. They had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Instead, they get the opportunity and honor to attend a prestigious university and be at the center of all that tradition for a brief spell, and perhaps get the chance to showcase themselves FOR FREE and catch the fancy of the NFL. It's all been laid out for them before they were even born.

The players are somewhat interchangeable. Swap Alabama's roster with Auburn or Florida, and the finances don't really change. It's not like the current Alabama players devised, created, promoted, and earned that money themselves. They just were next up for the chance to be a part of it.
 
I like college sports.

But I like Higher Education better. And there is no reason they should be joined.

Why? Do you remember a time when they weren't? :lol: Face it, this is about greed and it's a really stupid idea that isn't going to help anyone except for a few college athletes who are ALREADY receiving benefits (a free education on scholarship funding for one). Also, being on a great college team is going to get you noticed by the scouts, which opens the door for the professional leagues. THAT alone is a valuable benefit. So why these guys and girls who voluntarily join sports teams are now complaining, I have NO idea. And why are they different from high school teams? Do you consider high school football players professional and should they be able to unionize too?
 
This is a common misstatement that I've been guilty of myself.

The FOOTBALL PROGRAM earns the university tremendous amounts of money, but that is the result of years and years of tradition and lore that the alumni and fan base of the university have built, not the kids currently on the team. They had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Instead, they get the opportunity and honor to attend a prestigious university and be at the center of all that tradition for a brief spell, and perhaps get the chance to showcase themselves FOR FREE and catch the fancy of the NFL. It's all been laid out for them before they were even born.

The players are somewhat interchangeable. Swap Alabama's roster with Auburn or Florida, and the finances don't really change. It's not like the current Alabama players devised, created, promoted, and earned that money themselves. They just were next up for the chance to be a part of it.

Lol! Good post. That's basically what I was trying to say too. :mrgreen: You worded it much better than me though.
 
You say this like its a bad thing.

College should not be a place for major sports. Period.

The Dept. of Ed. disagrees with you.

"Playing sports at any level—club, intramural, or interscholastic—can be a key part of the school experience and have an immense and lasting impact on a student’s life. Among its many benefits, participation in extracurricular athletic activities promotes socialization, the development of leadership skills, focus, and, of course, physical fitness."

Arne Duncan is U.S. Secretary of Education

We Must Provide Equal Opportunity in Sports to Students with Disabilities | ED.gov Blog

This one is more about High School level, but the goals are likely the same...

"A new study from the University of Kansas suggests that there’s a simpler, more universal way to motivate students: Give them a reason to come to school—even if that reason has nothing to do with academics. University of Kansas’s Angela Lumpkin and Rebecca Achen analyzed high-school testing, graduation, and attendance data and found that Kansas’s student athletes go to school more often than non-athletes. They also have higher graduation rates: 98 percent of athletes in Kansas’s class of 2012 graduated, compared with 90 percent of non-athletes."

Athletes Are More Likely to Finish High School Than Non-Athletes - Eleanor Barkhorn - The Atlantic

There is plenty of study that shows that sports programs molds the leaders of tomorrow. I can't understand why anyone would want to do away with them.
 
You mean someone who crushes your illogical statements regularly?

That you arrogantly think something like this is a troubling attitude. I feel sorry for you.

I'm sure I'd be like most people you meet and just smile, nod, and get away quickly.

I can only tell you that in person I am a pretty neutral guy...You'd be hard pressed to determine my politics outside this board, largely because I don't like to focus on that in person. (It can lead to arguments) I like to get along with people and have a good time. With this post you strike me as the person that always has to talk shop when it comes to your ideological viewpoints, causing those around you probably to often roll their eyes, and move to a different part of gatherings.

Believe it or not, I have many liberal friends, and I have found that while most people on an anonymous message board try to put up a tough persona, when in person they take one of two possible paths. Either they are annoying jerks that can't have fun and leave politics at the door, or they are more level headed in their responses when discussing politics face to face, because of factors, not the least of which is people don't like to hang around assholes.

I can only hope that the gruff, tough guy persona's displayed in here by some, aren't carried out in person, because even though I disagree with many libs, socialists, progressives..etc. on this site, I genuinely think that behind the mask most in here are nice people, and would enjoy many things in common apart from our perspective political views....I am truly sorry you don't think so.
 
Why? Do you remember a time when they weren't? :lol: Face it, this is about greed and it's a really stupid idea that isn't going to help anyone except for a few college athletes who are ALREADY receiving benefits (a free education on scholarship funding for one). Also, being on a great college team is going to get you noticed by the scouts, which opens the door for the professional leagues. THAT alone is a valuable benefit. So why these guys and girls who voluntarily join sports teams are now complaining, I have NO idea. And why are they different from high school teams? Do you consider high school football players professional and should they be able to unionize too?

They are not joined in the rest of the world. Maybe that's why the education standards in other countries seem to be so much better.

But this is about greed. It's about the NCAA getting free labor and having no problems with colleges fielding football teams of academically weak players who will never graduate.
 
This is a common misstatement that I've been guilty of myself.

The FOOTBALL PROGRAM earns the university tremendous amounts of money, but that is the result of years and years of tradition and lore that the alumni and fan base of the university have built, not the kids currently on the team. They had absolutely nothing to do with it.

You really believe that? What happens when these kids aren't winning games for their universities? The programs stop getting as much funding and the programs die off. Your statement is like saying that music performers don't actually make money and it's all their managers. People go to see the players win, not the specifics of the program - the players don't win? The program is useless and worthless no matter how much lore and tradition has gone into it. :shrug:

You have the same thing at a professional level. The Cubs - how much history do they have? The Pirates? Each have about 200 years between them. Where are their fans? Non-existent really - and how much money and tradition have gone into those teams? About the same if not more than any football team - yet where are their salary caps today? Lol - this appeal to tradition as the foundation of these programs is nonsense. These programs are founded on the backs of kids who win and if they want a piece of the tens of millions of dollars they make for their universities, I see no issue with that.
 
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You really believe that? What happens when these kids aren't winning games for their universities? The programs stop getting as much funding and the programs die off.

It works the other way. First one gets alumni with deep pockets, then one gets a good football team. Boosters pay a coach's salary.
 
You really believe that? What happens when these kids aren't winning games for their universities? The programs stop getting as much funding and the programs die off. Your statement is like saying that music performers don't actually make money and it's all their managers. People go to see the players win, not the specifics of the program - the players don't win? The program is useless and worthless no matter how much lore and tradition has gone into it. :shrug:

You have the same thing at a professional level. The Cubs - how much history do they have? The Pirates? Each have about 200 years between them. Where are their fans? Non-existent really - and how much money and tradition have gone into those teams? About the same if not more than any football team - yet where are their salary caps today? Lol - this appeal to tradition as the foundation of these programs is nonsense. These programs are founded on the backs of kids who win and if they want a piece of the tens of millions of dollars they make for their universities, I see no issue with that.


Cubs fans are non-existent? Wow, you've never been to Chicago. Tickets are hard to come by.

And tell me of the big college football programs who have seen their programs die off. I must have missed that.
 
Cubs fans are non-existent? Wow, you've never been to Chicago. Tickets are hard to come by.

And tell me of the big college football programs who have seen their programs die off. I must have missed that.

20 College Football Programs on the Decline

The Buffaloes' move to the Pac-12 has only made the team's recent struggles that much more visible to the rest of the nation. The program won the National Championship in 1990, but it hasn't been bowl eligible since 2007.
Read more at 20 College Football Programs on the Decline

The storied Volunteers have become a running joke since firing longtime coach Phillip Fulmer in 2008. His replacements - Lane Kiffin and Derek Dooley - did nothing to bring the program back to prominence. Kiffin didn't stick around long enough, and he caused too many problems with the NCAA that the Vols are still paying for, and Dooley just didn't have the coaching chops to go headset to headset with the likes of Les Miles and Nick Saban.
Read more at 20 College Football Programs on the Decline

The Mountaineers' decline started partway through the 2012 season, when the team won five straight and climbed the polls, then dropped the following five games. Instead of another Orange Bowl exhibition, WVU is headed to the New Era Pinstripe Bowl to face former Big East foe Syracuse.
Read more at 20 College Football Programs on the Decline

Financial woes and infighting threaten Grambling football program - College Football - George Dohrmann - SI.com

Near the start of the 2013 season, the Grambling Legends, a group unaffiliated with the school, put up $11,000 to buy replacement flooring for the weight room. Doug Williams, then the Tigers coach -- as well as a popular alumnus, a former Super Bowl MVP and a member of the Grambling Legends -- helped arrange the purchase of the new rubber flooring, just as he had done last summer with new flooring for the team's locker room. Williams had a history of ruffling administrative feathers at the school -- in April 2012 he sued Grambling State for performance bonuses he says he was owed -- and he often circumvented the athletic department's chain of command. The funds to pay for the new weight room floor, which had not been filtered through the school's foundation as Pogue and athletic director Aaron James demanded, were yet another instance of that.

Read More: Financial woes and infighting threaten Grambling football program - College Football - George Dohrmann - SI.com

College sports' financial disparity keeps growing in NCAA's Division I

Among the top 100 schools, the 22 that had a surplus in 2011 nearly quadrupled their excess since 2005. The remaining schools did not generate enough to cover their operating expenses; their median deficit was 67% higher than in 2005.

Seriously, this is nothing new. Again, the kids don't win? The school doesn't make money. :shrug: The kids win? The school gets endorsement deals, free perks, donations etc.
 
Hatuey, I'm not talking about on a decline regarding the success of the program. Some schools are a mess when it comes to administration and coaching. That's part of the sport.

I'm talking financially, and I don't consider a small handful of schools like Grambling, which has HUGE financial issues across the board, to be pertinent to this at all.

In fact, if Grambling players unionized and the school had to pay them, that program would fold before dinner.
 
Outside of a free ride and a generous stipend, these kids shouldn't get a damn thing. They already get free generous gourmet meals provided 4 times daily(I almost did the providing but turned the position down for a more lucrative offer...)

They're there to learn and to showcase themselves for the chance to go pro. Anything else sullies the game.

Gonna have to spit out the window next time I go past Ryan Field...

Ridiculous...

This post is ridiculous.

They shouldn’t get a damn thing? Do you have any idea what it's like to be a D1 athlete? Do you have any idea what they go through?

When you're a D1 athlete, your sport is your job and the NCAA owns you. Everything you do is held under a microscope. You're held to a code of conduct that is vastly more restrictive than what other students are subjected to. For example, if you're under scholarship then you can't make more than $2k in a YEAR. At the start of every year you're given a book that details all of these restrictions. It's about an inch thick. Violate anything and there will be serious consequences.

I'm sorry, but these kids deserve some protection. The pros get signing bonuses and guaranteed contracts. If they get hurt, they get paid. If you're working in an office and fall down the stairs; you get paid. But if a student athlete gets hurt.. poof, there goes the scholarship. Oh, and don't expect any help if you have lasting effects from these injuries.

Lets face it; there are a lot of student athletes. But there are also a lot of athletes forced to pretend to be students. Why do we go through this charade? Minor league baseball players get paid. College football and basketball are essentially the minor leagues; albeit vastly more popular and profitable. Don't take advantage of them because they're too young to know better.
 
This post is ridiculous.

They shouldn’t get a damn thing? Do you have any idea what it's like to be a D1 athlete? Do you have any idea what they go through?

When you're a D1 athlete, your sport is your job and the NCAA owns you. Everything you do is held under a microscope. You're held to a code of conduct that is vastly more restrictive than what other students are subjected to. For example, if you're under scholarship then you can't make more than $2k in a YEAR. At the start of every year you're given a book that details all of these restrictions. It's about an inch thick. Violate anything and there will be serious consequences.

I'm sorry, but these kids deserve some protection. The pros get signing bonuses and guaranteed contracts. If they get hurt, they get paid. If you're working in an office and fall down the stairs; you get paid. But if a student athlete gets hurt.. poof, there goes the scholarship. Oh, and don't expect any help if you have lasting effects from these injuries.

Lets face it; there are a lot of student athletes. But there are also a lot of athletes forced to pretend to be students. Why do we go through this charade? Minor league baseball players get paid. College football and basketball are essentially the minor leagues; albeit vastly more popular and profitable. Don't take advantage of them because they're too young to know better.

I'm sorry, is someone forcing them to go through it?

Right, mighty fine line between failure and success, just like in life.

That's the difference between collegiate and pro

I agree some are there because of their brawn instead of their brain.

Playing collegiate sports is a privilege not at right.
 
This post is ridiculous.

They shouldn’t get a damn thing? Do you have any idea what it's like to be a D1 athlete? Do you have any idea what they go through?

When you're a D1 athlete, your sport is your job and the NCAA owns you. Everything you do is held under a microscope. You're held to a code of conduct that is vastly more restrictive than what other students are subjected to. For example, if you're under scholarship then you can't make more than $2k in a YEAR. At the start of every year you're given a book that details all of these restrictions. It's about an inch thick. Violate anything and there will be serious consequences.

I'm sorry, but these kids deserve some protection. The pros get signing bonuses and guaranteed contracts. If they get hurt, they get paid. If you're working in an office and fall down the stairs; you get paid. But if a student athlete gets hurt.. poof, there goes the scholarship. Oh, and don't expect any help if you have lasting effects from these injuries.

Lets face it; there are a lot of student athletes. But there are also a lot of athletes forced to pretend to be students. Why do we go through this charade? Minor league baseball players get paid. College football and basketball are essentially the minor leagues; albeit vastly more popular and profitable. Don't take advantage of them because they're too young to know better.

I especially love the stories of how the NCAA can sell jerseys with the kid's name on it and make $100 per jersey, but the kid gets nothing. And the kid cant even SIGN the jersey for money - he signs them for free and they double or triple in value. The colleges, of course, are free to sell signed memorabilia all they want for a profit. Schools will sell a dinner in an auction as a fund raiser with their football star for $20k.... but the player doesnt get that money.

Its a joke of a system. We need to get sports out of college and make these teams private entities loosely affilliated with each University. That way we can still pretend that Duke has a basketball team and Alabama has a football team and we can stop pretending they are 'student-athletes'.
 
I'm sorry, is someone forcing them to go through it?

Right, mighty fine line between failure and success, just like in life.

That's the difference between collegiate and pro

I agree some are there because of their brawn instead of their brain.

Playing collegiate sports is a privilege not at right.

Do you want that logic to be applied to your job? No one is forcing you to work there.

Sorry for the tone, but the part of your post that pissed me off the most was the talk of purity of the game. You talk about college sports as personal entertainment, and argue against changes because you might not enjoy it as much.

That sounds to me like a tacit admission that college sports is a product. If an exceptional undergraduate scholar works as an intern when they're going to school, they can make damn good money. But an even more exceptional athlete isn't allowed to make money, and doesn't have any recourse because the NCAA has a monopoly. If you want to play for the NFL, you HAVE to go to college. There aren't any other options. It's a racket and it needs to change.
 
I especially love the stories of how the NCAA can sell jerseys with the kid's name on it and make $100 per jersey, but the kid gets nothing. And the kid cant even SIGN the jersey for money - he signs them for free and they double or triple in value. The colleges, of course, are free to sell signed memorabilia all they want for a profit. Schools will sell a dinner in an auction as a fund raiser with their football star for $20k.... but the player doesnt get that money.

Its a joke of a system. We need to get sports out of college and make these teams private entities loosely affilliated with each University. That way we can still pretend that Duke has a basketball team and Alabama has a football team and we can stop pretending they are 'student-athletes'.

The kid can choose not to play. Or, he can choose to work full-time and pay for the schooling himself, or his parents can take a mortgage out on the house to pay for his $250,000 education.

This is not forced labor. In fact, and I know this is crazy, some of the kids think the football is really fun, but tend to let the schoolwork go undone. Shocking, I know.
 
Couple of points here.


(1.)They are not joined in the rest of the world. Maybe that's why the education standards in other countries seem to be so much better.

(2.)But this is about greed. (3.)It's about the NCAA getting free labor (4.)and having no problems with colleges fielding football teams of academically weak players who will never graduate.

1. What exactly does "Joined with the rest of the world" mean? And are you saying that other countries don't have sports programs?

2. I agree it is about "greed", as silly as this whole income equality is, IMHO, the greed being displayed here is on the part of the Unionizing players part. When they agree to accept entry on scholarship to a University, they stipulate that they are under certain rules as outlined clearly in the Universities/NCAA rules books. Plus, if they don't understand something, there are "compliance offices" at every campus. Notre Dame's for example is outlined here:

http://www3.nd.edu/~ncaacomp/documents/AgencyFootballParentsBro.pdf

3. For their "Labor", which btw, most athletes making it to a top tier school, and making the team, is an achievement that many kids never reach, and not only leaves them in every consideration for entry into the NFL, but is exposure that only the elite players in the country enjoy. But, they are receiving a full scholarship in return for their participation in the sports program of the school. Notre Dame again for instance tuition and fees equals $44,000 per year, that's $176,000 for the 4 years to receive a degree from the University. Which if it is a college like ND that we are talking about, and they leave the school with a Bachelor's, can typically expect to be among the top entry earners in the country with a Bachelor's.

So if you ask me, the ones being "greedy" here are those looking to extort through the union threats money over and above what they already agreed to. If I were the person in charge of overseeing these people, I'd boot them out on their ear, pull their scholarships, and bill them for class time already completed.

4. "Academically weak", and "will never graduate" are two totally different things. There are many people that are Academically weak, but do graduate, and go on to good careers. As far as will never graduate goes, the NCAA, as well as the University have standards that the student athlete must achieve to be eligible to play. For instance, and back to ND.

"student-athletes must maintain certain academic standards to be eligible for competition. in addition
to NCAA rules that require student-athletes to maintain “progress toward a degree,” Notre Dame holds
its student-athletes to increased academic standards. To be eligible under NCAA rules, your son must
be enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies (i.e., 12 credit hours) and must pass 6 credit
hours each semester. As student-athletes progress through each semester, they are required to meet
additional NCAA academic requirements.

Pursuant to Notre Dame’s Academic Code, your son must maintain a 1.7 GPA during the first semester
of his first year, a 1.85 GPA during the second semester of his first year, and a 2.0 GPA in each semester
thereafter. failure to meet those GPA requirements will land your son on academic probation. Although
academic probation normally renders a student ineligible to compete during the following semester,
student-athletes who end the spring semester on academic probation may regain their eligibility for
fall by achieving certain grades during the summer session. it is also important to note that Notre
Dame’s Academic Code calls for automatic academic dismissal from Notre Dame if your son has
two consecutive or three non-consecutive semesters on academic probation.

Academic eligibility rules are complex. The Compliance office partners with Academic services for
student-Athletes to ensure that your son is tracking on all of the requirements. feel free to contact
either the Compliance office or your son’s academic counselor for additional information."

This is from the earlier link provided. And if you think that it's just lip service,

"SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Former Notre Dame starting quarterback Everett Golson said he used "poor judgment on a test," which is what got him suspended for the fall semester.

Everett Golson, who was suspended this semester for violating the Notre Dame honor code, has two years of eligibility left and wants to return to play for the Irish. "Not necessarily to prove [anything] to anybody, just doing it for me," he said.

"It wasn't due to poor grades or anything like that," he told Sports Illustrated in a video posted Tuesday by the magazine. Asked directly if he cheated on a test, Golson said: "Yeeeeeeeaaaahhh, something like that."

"Like I said, I'm just going to leave it at poor judgment," he told the magazine. Asked again if it was cheating on a test, Golson responded: "Test situation."

Everett Golson: Notre Dame suspension due to poor judgment on test - ESPN

If it were just lip service, then I am sure the University would have brushed the incident under the rug.

So, with all due respect, this attack by the younger generation liberals today on anyone, or any entity that makes more than THEY think should be made is, IMHO, silly.
 
Do you want that logic to be applied to your job? No one is forcing you to work there.

Sorry for the tone, but the part of your post that pissed me off the most was the talk of purity of the game. You talk about college sports as personal entertainment, and argue against changes because you might not enjoy it as much.

That sounds to me like a tacit admission that college sports is a product. If an exceptional undergraduate scholar works as an intern when they're going to school, they can make damn good money. But an even more exceptional athlete isn't allowed to make money, and doesn't have any recourse because the NCAA has a monopoly. If you want to play for the NFL, you HAVE to go to college. There aren't any other options. It's a racket and it needs to change.

They're not earning a living they're being given an opportunity. Free education for sport performance. You seem to forget about the 25-40K in tuition, the 1000's in books, in room and board, in meals, and the stipend they receive each year as a result of their participation.

I will agree that a change is needed, this however isn't the answer.
 
This post is ridiculous.

They shouldn’t get a damn thing? Do you have any idea what it's like to be a D1 athlete? Do you have any idea what they go through?

When you're a D1 athlete, your sport is your job and the NCAA owns you. Everything you do is held under a microscope. You're held to a code of conduct that is vastly more restrictive than what other students are subjected to. For example, if you're under scholarship then you can't make more than $2k in a YEAR. At the start of every year you're given a book that details all of these restrictions. It's about an inch thick. Violate anything and there will be serious consequences.

I'm sorry, but these kids deserve some protection. The pros get signing bonuses and guaranteed contracts. If they get hurt, they get paid. If you're working in an office and fall down the stairs; you get paid. But if a student athlete gets hurt.. poof, there goes the scholarship. Oh, and don't expect any help if you have lasting effects from these injuries.

Lets face it; there are a lot of student athletes. But there are also a lot of athletes forced to pretend to be students. Why do we go through this charade? Minor league baseball players get paid. College football and basketball are essentially the minor leagues; albeit vastly more popular and profitable. Don't take advantage of them because they're too young to know better.

Then maybe the ingrates should drop out, and start their own minor league for football. Or jump off to Canada and play there.

The only part that should be under consideration, is some kind of fund to mitigate injuries incurred by the player in the course of playing the game for the school.
 
Couple of points here.




1. What exactly does "Joined with the rest of the world" mean? And are you saying that other countries don't have sports programs?

2. I agree it is about "greed", as silly as this whole income equality is, IMHO, the greed being displayed here is on the part of the Unionizing players part. When they agree to accept entry on scholarship to a University, they stipulate that they are under certain rules as outlined clearly in the Universities/NCAA rules books. Plus, if they don't understand something, there are "compliance offices" at every campus. Notre Dame's for example is outlined here:

http://www3.nd.edu/~ncaacomp/documents/AgencyFootballParentsBro.pdf

3. For their "Labor", which btw, most athletes making it to a top tier school, and making the team, is an achievement that many kids never reach, and not only leaves them in every consideration for entry into the NFL, but is exposure that only the elite players in the country enjoy. But, they are receiving a full scholarship in return for their participation in the sports program of the school. Notre Dame again for instance tuition and fees equals $44,000 per year, that's $176,000 for the 4 years to receive a degree from the University. Which if it is a college like ND that we are talking about, and they leave the school with a Bachelor's, can typically expect to be among the top entry earners in the country with a Bachelor's.

So if you ask me, the ones being "greedy" here are those looking to extort through the union threats money over and above what they already agreed to. If I were the person in charge of overseeing these people, I'd boot them out on their ear, pull their scholarships, and bill them for class time already completed.
these are workers in a workplace who have just formed a bargaining unit
the employer will lose big if it refuses to negotiate in good faith. booting the players out, revoking their scholarships, and billing them for their accrued scholarship expenditures would hardly be viewed by the folks at DoL who oversee labor relations activities as negotiating in good faith, as is required by federal law

4. "Academically weak", and "will never graduate" are two totally different things. There are many people that are Academically weak, but do graduate, and go on to good careers. As far as will never graduate goes, the NCAA, as well as the University have standards that the student athlete must achieve to be eligible to play. For instance, and back to ND.

"student-athletes must maintain certain academic standards to be eligible for competition. in addition
to NCAA rules that require student-athletes to maintain “progress toward a degree,” Notre Dame holds
its student-athletes to increased academic standards. To be eligible under NCAA rules, your son must
be enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies (i.e., 12 credit hours) and must pass 6 credit
hours each semester. As student-athletes progress through each semester, they are required to meet
additional NCAA academic requirements.

Pursuant to Notre Dame’s Academic Code, your son must maintain a 1.7 GPA during the first semester
of his first year, a 1.85 GPA during the second semester of his first year, and a 2.0 GPA in each semester
thereafter. failure to meet those GPA requirements will land your son on academic probation. Although
academic probation normally renders a student ineligible to compete during the following semester,
student-athletes who end the spring semester on academic probation may regain their eligibility for
fall by achieving certain grades during the summer session. it is also important to note that Notre
Dame’s Academic Code calls for automatic academic dismissal from Notre Dame if your son has
two consecutive or three non-consecutive semesters on academic probation.

Academic eligibility rules are complex. The Compliance office partners with Academic services for
student-Athletes to ensure that your son is tracking on all of the requirements. feel free to contact
either the Compliance office or your son’s academic counselor for additional information."

This is from the earlier link provided. And if you think that it's just lip service,

"SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Former Notre Dame starting quarterback Everett Golson said he used "poor judgment on a test," which is what got him suspended for the fall semester.

Everett Golson, who was suspended this semester for violating the Notre Dame honor code, has two years of eligibility left and wants to return to play for the Irish. "Not necessarily to prove [anything] to anybody, just doing it for me," he said.

"It wasn't due to poor grades or anything like that," he told Sports Illustrated in a video posted Tuesday by the magazine. Asked directly if he cheated on a test, Golson said: "Yeeeeeeeaaaahhh, something like that."

"Like I said, I'm just going to leave it at poor judgment," he told the magazine. Asked again if it was cheating on a test, Golson responded: "Test situation."

Everett Golson: Notre Dame suspension due to poor judgment on test - ESPN

If it were just lip service, then I am sure the University would have brushed the incident under the rug.

So, with all due respect, this attack by the younger generation liberals today on anyone, or any entity that makes more than THEY think should be made is, IMHO, silly.
have no idea what point you were attempting to make there
 
these are workers in a workplace who have just formed a bargaining unit
the employer will lose big if it refuses to negotiate in good faith. booting the players out, revoking their scholarships, and billing them for their accrued scholarship expenditures would hardly be viewed by the folks at DoL who oversee labor relations activities as negotiating in good faith, as is required by federal law

So, if they are workers, should their scholarship, room and board, etc, be taxable compensation?
 
Then maybe the ingrates should drop out, and start their own minor league for football. Or jump off to Canada and play there.

The only part that should be under consideration, is some kind of fund to mitigate injuries incurred by the player in the course of playing the game for the school.

and some do that. I had a cousin who was a pitcher in HS. He had the KC Royals, the Cards, and the Cubs all wanting him right out of HS to join their farm systems. All offered more money than he'd ever seen to go with them, he also was offered several free rides to different colleges. He chose the free ride.

Well, second year in the school's trainer ruined his arm. Tore the hell out of his shoulder and his pitching career was finished. They still honored his scholarship all the way til graduation.

I know not all schools do this, but they all should.
 
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