Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

[Threegoofs]

Problem with your ill informed analogy is that while rare, women DO get prostate cancer. Men can NOT get pregnant.

LOL. I'm pretty sure they wont get a TURP.

Let's say testicular cancer than. The analogy holds.

 

[ChrisL]

Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

Problem with your ill informed analogy is that while rare, women DO get prostate cancer. Men can NOT get pregnant.

Oh my! :lol: No, women don't have a prostate. Unless you're referring to transgendered people?

 

[Threegoofs]

Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

Oh my! :lol: No, women don't have a prostate. Unless you're referring to transgendered people?

They kind of do. It's tiny gland called Skenes gland. Rare cancers can happen.

Of course, I'm assuming that's what he means, but given his previous postings, that may be a real bad assumption.

 

[ChrisL]

Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

They kind of do. It's tiny gland called Skenes gland. Rare cancers can happen.

Of course, I'm assuming that's what he means, but given his previous postings, that may be a real bad assumption.

I know they're similar but still not a prostate gland. Some women might not even have a Skenes. I really wouldn't say that women have a prostate gland. :mrgreen:

 

[notquiteright]

You give a scholarship to a male athlete, you have to give one to a female athlete. You pay a man, you must pay a woman. The only way around it is to dissolve scholarships, but that's got to be done on a 1-to-1 basis, too. Minor sports will be sacrificed.

I didn't realize Title 9 said one for one... it is a bit more complex than that, more to do with equal access rather than equal scholarships. These scholarships can still be a vital part of recruiting players in all sports, just the 'bonus' available to pay athletes would depend on what monies that sports brings INTO the school. The top tier sports can offer a bonus while co-ed badmitten not so much.

It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out...

 

[Erod]

I didn't realize Title 9 said one for one... it is a bit more complex than that, more to do with equal access rather than equal scholarships. These scholarships can still be a vital part of recruiting players in all sports, just the 'bonus' available to pay athletes would depend on what monies that sports brings INTO the school. The top tier sports can offer a bonus while co-ed badmitten not so much.

It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out...

No, it's equal scholarships.

That's why almost every university has a women's soccer team, but not a men's. That's why women's golf scholarships are so numerous, they can't fill them. They've got to offset those football scholarships 1-to-1.

Trust me, I have daughters, and it's come in quite handy But I still think it's a ridiculous requirement the way it's written.

 

[notquiteright]

No, it's equal scholarships. That's why almost every university has a women's soccer team, but not a men's. That's why women's golf scholarships are so numerous, they can't fill them. They've got to offset those football scholarships 1-to-1. Trust me, I have daughters, and it's come in quite handy But I still think it's a ridiculous requirement the way it's written.

We have spoken on many topics many times, I trust but verify... I can't verify your 1 for 1 statement, perhaps you can?

Still it doesn't knock out scholarships, just any payment to students who participate in the less money making sports, of both sexes...

 

[ChrisL]

No, it's equal scholarships.

That's why almost every university has a women's soccer team, but not a men's. That's why women's golf scholarships are so numerous, they can't fill them. They've got to offset those football scholarships 1-to-1.

Trust me, I have daughters, and it's come in quite handy But I still think it's a ridiculous requirement the way it's written.

That's another interesting point. What would happen to women's sports and women's athletic scholarships? No one can deny the reality that they bring in less money than the men's sports generally.

 

[Threegoofs]

That's another interesting point. What would happen to women's sports and women's athletic scholarships? No one can deny the reality that they bring in less money than the men's sports generally.

Who cares?

Get sports out of colleges. They don't belong there.

Universities are for education, not games.

 

[Erod]

That's another interesting point. What would happen to women's sports and women's athletic scholarships? No one can deny the reality that they bring in less money than the men's sports generally.

Same can be said for a lot of men's sports.

If actual pay was negotiated, then it would have to apply to all sports. And most schools do not make money off their athletic programs; football and basketball have to fund the other sports. The few really big schools with bigtime football programs make money.

This would merely lead to the abolishment of baseball, softball, tennis, golf, swimming, soccer, etc.

Many schools would keep just enough women's teams to meet Title IX requirements, but no more, I believe. Other schools would just get rid of athletics altogether because most football teams barely pay for themselves.

 

[j-mac]

LOL. I'm pretty sure they wont get a TURP.

Let's say testicular cancer than. The analogy holds.

No, you specifically used Prostate cancer thinking you were clever, and now that you've been shown to post from ignorance, you want to change the goal posts...Stick with your statement, and take your defeat like a man.

Oh my! No, women don't have a prostate. Unless you're referring to transgendered people?

This may be of interest to you Chris.....

"Skene's paraurethral glands and ducts are homologous to the male prostate (2). Recent studies supporting this homology, as reviewed by Zaviačič et al. (3,4), are postmortem and detailed histological examinations of the urethras of 130 women, followed by biochemical and immunohistochemical studies that demonstrated expression of PSA and prostate-specific acid phosphatase (PSAP) in Skene's paraurethral glands and ducts. These studies unequivocally substantiate the existence of the female prostate.

The female homologue of the male prostate is of clinical significance not only as a focus for acute and chronic infection, but also as the origin of other pathologic entities, including adenocarcinoma (3,4), a cancer which shows, as does its male counterpart, localized expression of PSA and PSAP (3,4).

Thus, there is convincing evidence that prostatic tissue exists in the female, and that the term “female prostate” is both fully justified and preferable to the terminology Skene's glands and ducts. The latter incorrectly implies that some other structure of an extraprostatic nature, rather than the prostate itself, is involved. If the female prostate exhibits the immunopermissiveness observed in the male prostate (5), it may also serve as a site for viral latency and origin of infection in women with human immunodeficiency virus.

Of perhaps equal importance is the expression of PSA (6). The existence in women of the counterpart of the male prostate, shown to express PSA, may provide a note of caution in considering the molecular basis of the apparent anomalous expression of PSA in male and female nonprostatic tissues, e.g., in female breast (1). Given observations on the association of PSA detection in breast cancer with steroid hormonereceptor positive tumors, one may envision (6) the existence of a complex regulatory gene network controlling the expression of PSA in several organs. Therefore, a given tissue (depending on the state of cellular differentiation) may express previously repressed genes after neoplastic transformation. Also, and not mutually exclusive, somatic mutations may lead to specific changes in PSA genes in cancer cell clones (6)."

The Female Prostate

 

[RiverDad]

That's another interesting point. What would happen to women's sports and women's athletic scholarships? No one can deny the reality that they bring in less money than the men's sports generally.

Have you ever met any feminists in real life? They've shown a repeated mastery of denying reality.

I know they're similar but still not a prostate gland. Some women might not even have a Skenes. I really wouldn't say that women have a prostate gland. :mrgreen:

You're 12 years behind the times:

In 2002, female paraurethral glands, or Skene's glands, were officially renamed the female prostate by the Federative International Committee on Anatomical Terminology​

 

[Threegoofs]

No, you specifically used Prostate cancer thinking you were clever, and now that you've been shown to post from ignorance, you want to change the goal posts...Stick with your statement, and take your defeat like a man.



This may be of interest to you Chris.....

"Skene's paraurethral glands and ducts are homologous to the male prostate (2). Recent studies supporting this homology, as reviewed by Zaviačič et al. (3,4), are postmortem and detailed histological examinations of the urethras of 130 women, followed by biochemical and immunohistochemical studies that demonstrated expression of PSA and prostate-specific acid phosphatase (PSAP) in Skene's paraurethral glands and ducts. These studies unequivocally substantiate the existence of the female prostate.

The female homologue of the male prostate is of clinical significance not only as a focus for acute and chronic infection, but also as the origin of other pathologic entities, including adenocarcinoma (3,4), a cancer which shows, as does its male counterpart, localized expression of PSA and PSAP (3,4).

Thus, there is convincing evidence that prostatic tissue exists in the female, and that the term “female prostate” is both fully justified and preferable to the terminology Skene's glands and ducts. The latter incorrectly implies that some other structure of an extraprostatic nature, rather than the prostate itself, is involved. If the female prostate exhibits the immunopermissiveness observed in the male prostate (5), it may also serve as a site for viral latency and origin of infection in women with human immunodeficiency virus.

Of perhaps equal importance is the expression of PSA (6). The existence in women of the counterpart of the male prostate, shown to express PSA, may provide a note of caution in considering the molecular basis of the apparent anomalous expression of PSA in male and female nonprostatic tissues, e.g., in female breast (1). Given observations on the association of PSA detection in breast cancer with steroid hormonereceptor positive tumors, one may envision (6) the existence of a complex regulatory gene network controlling the expression of PSA in several organs. Therefore, a given tissue (depending on the state of cellular differentiation) may express previously repressed genes after neoplastic transformation. Also, and not mutually exclusive, somatic mutations may lead to specific changes in PSA genes in cancer cell clones (6)."

The Female Prostate

But it's really not a prostate in any real sense of the word, anymore than a clitoris is a penis.

But nice way to weasel out of another situation where you were overmatched.

 

[Hatuey]

Or better yet, stop letting them attend classes, which might as well be presented to most of them in Chinese. Stop giving them opportunities they've done nothing to earn.

The problem with the post above is that the kids in those programs earn the university far more money than any student/professor. So they do in fact earn their "opportunities".

 

[j-mac]

But it's really not a prostate in any real sense of the word, anymore than a clitoris is a penis.

But nice way to weasel out of another situation where you were overmatched.

:roll: I can only wonder if you are like this in person...I hope not.

 

[ChrisL]

Have you ever met any feminists in real life? They've shown a repeated mastery of denying reality.



You're 12 years behind the times:

In 2002, female paraurethral glands, or Skene's glands, were officially renamed the female prostate by the Federative International Committee on Anatomical Terminology​

It's not a prostate gland, and doctors do not refer to it as such. Skenes gland. I type doctors reports every day, and never have I heard one refer to a woman having a prostate gland. :roll:

 

[ChrisL]

No, you specifically used Prostate cancer thinking you were clever, and now that you've been shown to post from ignorance, you want to change the goal posts...Stick with your statement, and take your defeat like a man.



This may be of interest to you Chris.....

"Skene's paraurethral glands and ducts are homologous to the male prostate (2). Recent studies supporting this homology, as reviewed by Zaviačič et al. (3,4), are postmortem and detailed histological examinations of the urethras of 130 women, followed by biochemical and immunohistochemical studies that demonstrated expression of PSA and prostate-specific acid phosphatase (PSAP) in Skene's paraurethral glands and ducts. These studies unequivocally substantiate the existence of the female prostate.

The female homologue of the male prostate is of clinical significance not only as a focus for acute and chronic infection, but also as the origin of other pathologic entities, including adenocarcinoma (3,4), a cancer which shows, as does its male counterpart, localized expression of PSA and PSAP (3,4).

Thus, there is convincing evidence that prostatic tissue exists in the female, and that the term “female prostate” is both fully justified and preferable to the terminology Skene's glands and ducts. The latter incorrectly implies that some other structure of an extraprostatic nature, rather than the prostate itself, is involved. If the female prostate exhibits the immunopermissiveness observed in the male prostate (5), it may also serve as a site for viral latency and origin of infection in women with human immunodeficiency virus.

Of perhaps equal importance is the expression of PSA (6). The existence in women of the counterpart of the male prostate, shown to express PSA, may provide a note of caution in considering the molecular basis of the apparent anomalous expression of PSA in male and female nonprostatic tissues, e.g., in female breast (1). Given observations on the association of PSA detection in breast cancer with steroid hormonereceptor positive tumors, one may envision (6) the existence of a complex regulatory gene network controlling the expression of PSA in several organs. Therefore, a given tissue (depending on the state of cellular differentiation) may express previously repressed genes after neoplastic transformation. Also, and not mutually exclusive, somatic mutations may lead to specific changes in PSA genes in cancer cell clones (6)."

The Female Prostate

Well, my job is to type doctor's reports, and I type ALL kinds of reports, and I have never ever heard a doctor refer to the Skenes gland on women as a prostate gland.

 

[Threegoofs]

:roll: I can only wonder if you are like this in person...I hope not.

You mean someone who crushes your illogical statements regularly?

I'm sure I'd be like most people you meet and just smile, nod, and get away quickly.

 

[ChrisL]

You mean someone who crushes your illogical statements regularly?

I'm sure I'd be like most people you meet and just smile, nod, and get away quickly.

Okay, well prostates and Skenes glands is really not what the thread is about, and I'm wondering how we got off on this topic anyway. :lol:

 

[Threegoofs]

Okay, well prostates and Skenes glands is really not what the thread is about, and I'm wondering how we got off on this topic anyway. :lol:

It's because Riverbad was complaining that insurers have to pay for women's health care when men sign up.

It's a stupid, failed argument against the ACA because all insurance covers stuff you'll never use. Like a woman's policy will cover prostate removal. Or testicular cancer.

 

[ChrisL]

It's because Riverbad was complaining that insurers have to pay for women's health care when men sign up.

It's a stupid, failed argument against the ACA because all insurance covers stuff you'll never use. Like a woman's policy will cover prostate removal. Or testicular cancer.

I don't see what that has to do with the thread or why he brought it up, but anyway I'm still against student athletes unionizing, and I haven't heard any good reason for it except for you guys to say "it's unfair" the other way. Well, that's they way they've been doing it for God knows how long, and it's worked out. I don't see any reason for this move, and it's going to ruin college sports IMO.

Like it or not, there are a LOT of fans out there.

 

[Threegoofs]

I don't see any reason for this move, and it's going to ruin college sports IMO.

.

You say this like its a bad thing.

College should not be a place for major sports. Period.

 

[ChrisL]

You say this like its a bad thing.

College should not be a place for major sports. Period.

Who are YOU to say? :roll: MANY other people would disagree with you. So, you don't like college sports and that's why you support this? What about all the people who do enjoy participating in and watching college sports?

 

[ChezC3]

Outside of a free ride and a generous stipend, these kids shouldn't get a damn thing. They already get free generous gourmet meals provided 4 times daily(I almost did the providing but turned the position down for a more lucrative offer...)

They're there to learn and to showcase themselves for the chance to go pro. Anything else sullies the game.

Gonna have to spit out the window next time I go past Ryan Field...

Ridiculous...

 

[ChezC3]

You say this like its a bad thing.

College should not be a place for major sports. Period.

They should rely on the generosity of their Alumni for their endowment?