Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

[ChrisL]

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And how about really bright 1st year Medical students on a academic medical scholarship? I guess they should be able to see patients too eh?

Now, if you want to say that the student athletes want to have a say in equipment, injury treatment, with funds set aside by to remediate future consequences of their activity today then I would say that is fair...But, to muddy the argument by calling them "employees" or arguing that they should be actually paid to play a sport that is the gateway into possible millions in the NFL, is the epitome of greedy if you ask me.

Exactly. It's so silly to claim that they are employees of the school! :roll: Does that mean high school athletes are employees of the school as well? High school athletic associations make money off games too.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I don't know: I think colleges have taken extreme advantage of football players without giving them much else save for a scholarship. They put them through the ringer, exhaust them, injure them, celebritize them, center the entire school and all else around them and their sacrifice and success.

They uplift college football too much. It needs to be bumped down a notch or two.

Now whether unionizing will be the appropriate path for this, I'm not sure.

Wow, yeah they only get a free ride to one of the best schools in the United States.

I believe these players deserve some sort of compensation but I also believe NFL teams should be allowed to draft players out of high school. IMO, if that were to happen the NFL teams who drafted them could pay for their schooling and their allowance money, and if a college team has a player on their roster who hasn't been drafted and isn't on a football scholarship then that players education should be free as long as they meet the academic requirements.

So, if they want to unionize then they can unionize with the NFLPA.

My idea would certainly make the draft more interesting.

 

[chromium]

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yes you are. the past 10 posts have done nothing but defend them..

You misinterpreted then, nothing more.

how elitist of you.

we should do what other countries do like china if you don't pass the test then you go work on a farm or factory somewhere and any formal education is out of the question.
/sarcasm.

no i was being honest. if they want money then go get a job. if they want something that will forever grant them more money even after college then a degree is the way to go.
the chances of them getting into pro sports is slim to none.

only 10-20% of high school students get scholarships to play sports. only 2 maybe 3% of them make it to the pro's.
the rest go undrafted and un-signed and having a college degree to fall back on is better than nothing.

If it seems elitist of me it's cause that's my experience. Only a fraction make a serious effort and those should be identified early on and given the limited federal aid. Everyone else can piss off to self pay.

No one wants to hire those athletes who get tutors doing all the work for them and A- from grad student teachers/fans for a two paragraph snooze fest recounting the Rosa Parks saga. Even if they do finish the degree most of them are *not employable*

 

[ChrisL]

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ways of dealing you have been unable to articulate

That's not true, and anyone can go back and check on that. You just refuse to acknowledge my suggestions.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Wow, yeah they only get a free ride to one of the best schools in the United States.

I believe these players deserve some sort of compensation but I also believe NFL teams should be allowed to draft players out of high school. IMO, if that were to happen the NFL teams who drafted them could pay for their schooling and their allowance money, and if a college team has a player on their roster who hasn't been drafted and isn't on a football scholarship then that players education should be free as long as they meet the academic requirements.

So, if they want to unionize then they can unionize with the NFLPA.

My idea would certainly make the draft more interesting.

I'm thinking 'broad scale', not just this one particular case and school but college football altogether - and a lot of colleges suck. Regardless - I think they're often exploited.

You know how others herald teams like the 49ers and such? That's the pedestal that college players are at in the South - they generate far more revenue than their scholarships weigh in at. In fact, the states pay far more for the coaches salaries than the team player's scholarships combined, I bet.

I think that is exploitation 100%.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm thinking 'broad scale', not just this one particular case and school but college football altogether - and a lot of colleges suck. Regardless - I think they're often exploited.

You know how others herald teams like the 49ers and such? That's the pedestal that college players are at in the South - they generate far more revenue than their scholarships weigh in at. In fact, the states pay far more for the coaches salaries than the team player's scholarships combined, I bet.

I think that is exploitation 100%.

Good then pay the teenagers minimum wage when they're in high school and if they get drafted the NFL teams can pay for their college...

It's that simple - the NHL works the same way but players who are drafted go on to college on scholarships if they want to and others go on to their NHL teams (which is rare) or are assigned to their junior teams (teams of players between the ages of 16-20 until they make the pros or are released) where they make a small salary like college football players should.

 

[TurtleDude]

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anyone investigate the politics of Peter Sung Ohr, the regional director from chicago of the NLRB. Hint he was chosen by an Obama Appointee

 

[ChrisL]

Good then pay the teenagers minimum wage when they're in high school and if they get drafted the NFL teams can pay for their college...

It's that simple - the NHL works the same way but players who are drafted go on to college on scholarships if they want to and others go on to their NHL teams (which is rare) or are assigned to their junior teams (teams of players between the ages of 16-20 until they make the pros or are released) where they make a small salary like college football players should.

You can't sign a contract when you are under 18, for obvious reasons.

 

[Mr.Nick]

You can't sign a contract when you are under 18, for obvious reasons.

Their parent or guardian can....

Child actors sign contracts all the time, teenage athletes (under the age of 18) sign contracts all the time.... I'm no contract lawyer and have no idea how the logistics work but these kids/guardians certainly sign contracts...

Hell, in Canada these kids are playing pretty much semi-pro hockey at the age of 16.

 

[ChrisL]

Their parent or guardian can....

Child actors sign contracts all the time, teenage athletes (under the age of 18) sign contracts all the time.... I'm no contract lawyer and have no idea how the logistics work but these kids/guardians certainly sign contracts...

Hell, in Canada these kids are playing pretty much semi-pro hockey at the age of 16.

Well I don't think that's a good idea at all. Kids need an education and playing sports full time as a professional takes a LOT of time and commitment. Meanwhile, things like school work are being ignored.

Not to mention, we all know about how a lot of child stars end up and how much their parents "care" about them and their well-being. :roll:

 

[Mr.Nick]

Well I don't think that's a good idea at all. Kids need an education and playing sports full time as a professional takes a LOT of time and commitment. Meanwhile, things like school work are being ignored.

Not to mention, we all know about how a lot of child stars end up and how much their parents "care" about them and their well-being. :roll:

Well, I don't know much about child actors, but I can tell you that a lot of these kids in hockey in Canada go to some of the best schools - and the sport isn't full time - instead of having a job they play hockey.

I wish I could say the same thing about college football.... Football players are generally morons. Obviously Northwestern is one of the better schools in North America and the truth is some students are there for their athletic ability and NOT their intellect.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, I don't know much about child actors, but I can tell you that a lot of these kids in hockey in Canada go to some of the best schools - and the sport isn't full time - instead of having a job they play hockey.

I wish I could say the same thing about college football.... Football players are generally morons. Obviously Northwestern is one of the better schools in North America and the truth is some students are there for their athletic ability and NOT their intellect.

Certainly not all of them are morons. I do agree that they should have to keep up their grades and do well in academics too. I don't really know the rules surrounding how one goes about awarding athletic scholarships though. Do they have to maintain a certain grade point average to receive a scholarship?

 

[Mr.Nick]

Certainly not all of them are morons. I do agree that they should have to keep up their grades and do well in academics too. I don't really know the rules surrounding how one goes about awarding athletic scholarships though. Do they have to maintain a certain grade point average to receive a scholarship?

No, they're not all morons just a proportionate amount of them are.

No one cares if these guys can read or write at their grade level or "age level"...

Besides, if these tools were actually educated they wouldn't want to unionize.

 

[ChrisL]

No, they're not all morons just a proportionate amount of them are.

No one cares if these guys can read or write at their grade level or "age level"...

Besides, if these tools were actually educated they wouldn't want to unionize.

:lol: Maybe you have a point there. Good night Mr. Nick! :2wave:

 

[Hatuey]

If football players get paid, what about the golf team, the women's soccer team, the water polo team, etc? Will those sports be dropped altogether? If athletes strike, do they forfeit their scholarships? Can a team at one school strike on its own? Do athletes at Texas get a piece of the Longhorn Network revenues? Where is this going to go?

All of these questions! Unsolvable! We may as well just let universities leech off the hard work done by these athletes!

 

[Mr.Nick]

:lol: Maybe you have a point there. Good night Mr. Nick! :2wave:

:2wave:

 

[Threegoofs]

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Good Lord! College is continuing education and NOT a job no matter what sports you participate in! This whole thing is just silly to me, and I hope it's overturned. If players feel like colleges are exploiting them, then there are other ways to deal with that.

You don't know who Chris Webber is, do you?

 

[fmw]

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terrible comparison, exposing that you know nothing about labor requirements
do you believe the university is going to contract out its football team as that company did its warehousing? absolutely absurd

No. I think it would end the football program. Roughly the same thing.

 

[ChrisL]

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You don't know who Chris Webber is, do you?

A former athlete I think? Not that it's relevant to my discussion.

 

[RiverDad]

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This probably deserves a thread all it's own, but it also relates to this topic.

Male college football players to receive maternity coverage under Obamacare

Northwestern University became the first school in the nation to deem its football players full-time employees, thus making them eligible for union representation and health insurance benefits including maternity coverage. . . .

The kicker is that under Obamacare, the Evanston, Ill.-based team, comprised of more than 50 “employees,” is considered a “large employer” and Northwestern must provide pregnancy-related health care for the all-male team.

“This is insane: in the world President Obama lives in, college football teams are now unions, and government is paying for maternity coverage for 18 year old boys. It might be funny if it were not such a blatant attack on the American idea of a private sector,” said Nebraska senatorial candidate Ben Sasse in a new promotional video called “Pregnant Football Players.”​

 

[ChrisL]

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This probably deserves a thread all it's own, but it also relates to this topic.

Male college football players to receive maternity coverage under Obamacare

Northwestern University became the first school in the nation to deem its football players full-time employees, thus making them eligible for union representation and health insurance benefits including maternity coverage. . . .

The kicker is that under Obamacare, the Evanston, Ill.-based team, comprised of more than 50 “employees,” is considered a “large employer” and Northwestern must provide pregnancy-related health care for the all-male team.

“This is insane: in the world President Obama lives in, college football teams are now unions, and government is paying for maternity coverage for 18 year old boys. It might be funny if it were not such a blatant attack on the American idea of a private sector,” said Nebraska senatorial candidate Ben Sasse in a new promotional video called “Pregnant Football Players.”​

That must be just some loophole or something. It's not like these guys are ever going to use that coverage.

 

[Threegoofs]

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This probably deserves a thread all it's own, but it also relates to this topic.

Male college football players to receive maternity coverage under Obamacare

Northwestern University became the first school in the nation to deem its football players full-time employees, thus making them eligible for union representation and health insurance benefits including maternity coverage. . . .

The kicker is that under Obamacare, the Evanston, Ill.-based team, comprised of more than 50 “employees,” is considered a “large employer” and Northwestern must provide pregnancy-related health care for the all-male team.

“This is insane: in the world President Obama lives in, college football teams are now unions, and government is paying for maternity coverage for 18 year old boys. It might be funny if it were not such a blatant attack on the American idea of a private sector,” said Nebraska senatorial candidate Ben Sasse in a new promotional video called “Pregnant Football Players.”​

You realize that women insured under the ACA are covered for prostate cancer related procedures too, right?

These criticisms of ACA coverage are not reflective of the nature of ACA coverage as much as they are reflective of the abject ignorance of the poster not understanding health insurance.

 

[j-mac]

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You realize that women insured under the ACA are covered for prostate cancer related procedures too, right?

These criticisms of ACA coverage are not reflective of the nature of ACA coverage as much as they are reflective of the abject ignorance of the poster not understanding health insurance.

Problem with your ill informed analogy is that while rare, women DO get prostate cancer. Men can NOT get pregnant.

 

[Erod]

All of these questions! Unsolvable! We may as well just let universities leech off the hard work done by these athletes!

Or better yet, stop letting them attend classes, which might as well be presented to most of them in Chinese. Stop giving them opportunities they've done nothing to earn.

 

[Erod]

Huh? Title IX doesn't have anything to do with the way in which free markets establish prices.

You give a scholarship to a male athlete, you have to give one to a female athlete. You pay a man, you must pay a woman.

The only way around it is to dissolve scholarships, but that's got to be done on a 1-to-1 basis, too. Minor sports will be sacrificed.