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Ukraine far-right leader Muzychko dies 'in police raid'

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Oleksandr Muzychko, better known as Sashko Bily, died in a shoot-out with police in a cafe in Rivne in western Ukraine, the interior ministry said.


He was a leader of Right Sector, a far-right group which was prominent in the recent anti-government protests.

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A Right Sector organiser in Rivne has now threatened revenge for the killing of Muzychko, saying he had not been summoned by investigators.


"We will avenge ourselves on [Interior Minister] Arsen Avakov for the death of our brother. The shooting of Sashko Bily is a contract killing ordered by the minister," said Roman Koval of the Right Sector in Rivne region, quoted by the Ukrayinska Pravda website.

Source: BBC News

The government is apparently claiming he committed suicide, though the Right Sector founder Dmytro Yarosh is having none of that and calling for the Interior Minister to resign and the police units involved to be arrested. Apparently, in the face of all the threats of retaliation, Avakov has decided to crack down on the group and is reportedly planning to clear the Maidan of the group. Of course, the last person who tried to clear protesters out of the Maidan did not have that venture end well for him. The fractures are beginning to show with the Maidan revolutionaries as Klitshcko is now looking for a vote to unseat the acting president.
 
it looks like international bankers and their New World Order have taken control of the country once again. That's how the New World Order works. They fund both sides of a revolution then get rid of the resistance and take total control of the nation.
 
This is good news. It shows that Ukraine's government is cracking down on Right Sector thugs instead of the other way around. It's quite a stunning turn of events, actually and one I think many Ukrainians agree with. This might also help curb some of Russia's criticism of Ukraine getting taken over by far right extremists.
 
This is good news. It shows that Ukraine's government is cracking down on Right Sector thugs instead of the other way around. It's quite a stunning turn of events, actually and one I think many Ukrainians agree with. This might also help curb some of Russia's criticism of Ukraine getting taken over by far right extremists.

In America, he would have had a trial by a jury of his peers, to decide whether or not he should have been executed.

Just sayin'.
 
In America, he would have had a trial by a jury of his peers, to decide whether or not he should have been executed.

Just sayin'.

I heard on the radio that he was under investigation for commiting crimes and when they came to get him, he shot and wounded a cop in a shoot out. He was killed by police returning fire.


That happens in America, too.
 
I heard on the radio that he was under investigation for commiting crimes and when they came to get him, he shot and wounded a cop in a shoot out. He was killed by police returning fire.


That happens in America, too.

I guess it WAS suicide then. Suicide by cop. LOL.
 
I guess it WAS suicide then. Suicide by cop. LOL.

Yeah, he'll likely become a martyr to Right Sector.

But I also heard that a lot of people in Right Sector didn't like him either. So we'll see what becomes of it.

But it's a good sign that Ukraine's interim government is cracking down on the far right. It will give them more credibilty as a government that can deal with it's own internal problems.
 
it looks like international bankers and their New World Order have taken control of the country once again. That's how the New World Order works. They fund both sides of a revolution then get rid of the resistance and take total control of the nation.

tin foil hat
 
This is good news. It shows that Ukraine's government is cracking down on Right Sector thugs instead of the other way around. It's quite a stunning turn of events, actually and one I think many Ukrainians agree with. This might also help curb some of Russia's criticism of Ukraine getting taken over by far right extremists.

To me it sounds more like a country further collapsing into anarchy with a government using desperate mesures to create even the impression that there might be something like public order.

I see a bleak future in this conflict. Both sides are unwilling to cooperate and if lucky the east will simply split or states will get more self governing powers.

Worst case scenario is all out collapse of social order and a civil war between Russians and Ukrainians within the country.
 
To me it sounds more like a country further collapsing into anarchy with a government using desperate mesures to create even the impression that there might be something like public order.

I see a bleak future in this conflict. Both sides are unwilling to cooperate and if lucky the east will simply split or states will get more self governing powers.

Worst case scenario is all out collapse of social order and a civil war between Russians and Ukrainians within the country.


That would be a worst case scenario, alright. But I don't think it will come to that. Neither side can afford a civil war and I don't think either wants one. Ukraine cracking down on the far right pro nationalists is a sign of cooperation and appeasement with Russia. Russia has stated that the far right nationalist are it's biggest concern and they won't hesitate to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine if they are attacked. Ukraine is attempting to remove that excuse for Russian aggression.
 
In America, he would have had a trial by a jury of his peers, to decide whether or not he should have been executed.

Just sayin'.

In America they don't assassinate people and justify it with the excuse that they were 'far right' either.
 
Yeah, he'll likely become a martyr to Right Sector.

But I also heard that a lot of people in Right Sector didn't like him either. So we'll see what becomes of it.

But it's a good sign that Ukraine's interim government is cracking down on the far right. It will give them more credibilty as a government that can deal with it's own internal problems.

So the far left is murdering people and calling them 'far right' for justification for their actions. And you buy into that?

Watching how propaganda works so quickly is even easier than I suspected.
 
So the far left is murdering people and calling them 'far right' for justification for their actions. And you buy into that?

Watching how propaganda works so quickly is even easier than I suspected.


If they're called far right nationalists, it's probably because they are.
 
Neither side can afford a civil war and I don't think either wants one.

Are you saying there are situations where the two sides can afford a civil war or where one or both sides want a civil war? I would be hard-pressed to think of any time when that would be the case.
 
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What does "far-right" mean in Ukraine?

Did the deceased want to join Russia, fight against Russia, destroy the government and install a dictatorship, what??

Stupid labels like "far-right" in such a complex situation are for retards.
 
This is good news. It shows that Ukraine's government is cracking down on Right Sector thugs instead of the other way around. It's quite a stunning turn of events, actually and one I think many Ukrainians agree with. This might also help curb some of Russia's criticism of Ukraine getting taken over by far right extremists.


Yes, not only is Russia militarily conquering Ukraine critical after the removal of the Pro-Russia president by a majority of the Parliament, AND vital to relocate Muslim Tartars and seize Ukraine's navy, but is also "good news" to assassinate and imprison all political opposition.

Ukraine's been taken over by Russia, not right wing extremists. To be "rightwing" in this context is to not be treasonous against your own country on behalf of the country that has attacked your country.
 
If they're called far right nationalists, it's probably because they are.


Amazing. "Nationalism" about your own country is evil? Do you think ALL Ukrainians who want their own country should be executed or imprisoned, or only pro-West Ukrainean nationalists?

Don't you think that people who are pro-government in USA also should be imprisoned or shot for being "nationalists?"
 
What does "far-right" mean in Ukraine?

Did the deceased want to join Russia, fight against Russia, destroy the government and install a dictatorship, what??

Stupid labels like "far-right" in such a complex situation are for retards.


Some people are desperate to put everything into a partisan loyalty matter. That way they don't have to think.
 
So the far left is murdering people and calling them 'far right' for justification for their actions. And you buy into that?

Watching how propaganda works so quickly is even easier than I suspected.

Good grief, how many truly left wing Ukrainian police are there- especially after Putin's man was overthrown and especially in western Ukraine, where this guy met his end? He was killed because he shot it out with Ukrainian police who were probably fairly right wing themselves, just not zealots.
I heard on the radio that he was under investigation for commiting crimes and when they came to get him, he shot and wounded a cop in a shoot out. He was killed by police returning fire.

That happens in America, too.
Yes it does. I"ll use my esp to learn the thoughts of this Ukrainian zealot:

"The ZOG UN troopers have found me. Darn their black helicopters and their microchip inplants. No FEMA camp for me, I"ll shoot my way out..." and....

"Of course the fact that I beat up some of my rivals and/or have been dealing in stolen cars for 12 month has no connection with why they want to arrest me"
 
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Are you saying there are situations where the two sides can afford a civil war or where one or both sides want a civil war? I would be hard-pressed to think of any time when that would be the case.

I don't think Russia or Ukraine can afford or want a civil war.
 
Some people are desperate to put everything into a partisan loyalty matter. That way they don't have to think.


So the far left is murdering people and calling them 'far right' for justification for their actions. And you buy into that?

:doh :doh :doh
 
Yes it does. I"ll use my esp to learn the thoughts of this Ukrainian zealot:

"The ZOG UN troopers have found me. Darn their black helicopters and their microchip inplants. No FEMA camp for me, I"ll shoot my way out..." and....

"Of course the fact that I beat up some of my rivals and/or have been dealing in stolen cars for 12 month has no connection with why they want to arrest me"

You just can't make this stuff up.


Shoot out in Ukraine...

"....Ukraine's Deputy Interior Minister Vladimir Yevdokimov said Muzychko died after opening fire at police and Sokol special forces, who had raided a cafe to arrest him and fellow ultra-nationalists. The authorities described Muzychko as a criminal gang leader.

During the raid, Muzychko fired at police as he was trying to flee, wounding one of them. Police then returned fire and captured him and three others in his "criminal gang", Mr Yevdokimov said.

"He was still alive as they were arresting him - but then the paramedics, called to the scene, found that he had died," Mr Yevdokimov said. The three arrested gang members have been taken to Kiev for questioning.....

BBC News - Ukraine far-right leader Muzychko dies 'in police raid'


Shoot out in the US....

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Amazing. "Nationalism" about your own country is evil?
Yup.

Ultranationalism

Ultranationalism is a zealous nationalism that expresses extremist support for one's nationalist ideals. It is often characterized by authoritarianism, efforts toward reduction or stoppage of immigration, expulsion and or oppression of non-native populations within the nation or its territories, demagoguery of leadership, emotionalism, fomenting talk of presumed, real, or imagined enemies, predicating the existence of threats to the survival of the native, dominant or otherwise idealized national ethnicity or population group, instigation or extremist reaction to crack-down policies in law enforcement, efforts to limit international trade through tariffs, tight control over businesses and production, militarism, populism and propaganda. Prevalent ultranationalism typically leads to or is the result of conflict within a state, and or between states, and is identified as a condition of pre-war in national politics.[citation needed] In its extremist forms ultranationalism is characterized as a call to war against enemies of the nation/state, secession or, in the case of ethnocentrist ultranationalism, genocide.[55]

Fascism is a form of palingenetic ultranationalism[56] that promotes "class collaboration" (as opposed to class struggle), a totalitarian state, and irredentism or expansionism to unify and allow the growth of a nation. Fascists sometimes promote ethnic or cultural nationalism. Fascism stresses the subservience of the individual to the state, and the need for absolute and unquestioned loyalty to a strong ruler.[57]

Nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Do you think ALL Ukrainians who want their own country should be executed or imprisoned, or only pro-West Ukrainean nationalists?
Nope.

Don't you think that people who are pro-government in USA also should be imprisoned or shot for being "nationalists?"
Only if they commit violence.
 
I don't think Russia or Ukraine can afford or want a civil war.
What I am saying is that it does not really matter. Not wanting or being able to afford for something to happen does not magically keep it from happening. It is about what all sides are willing to do to avoid a civil war.
 
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