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Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

danielpalos said:
Especially environmental pollution that may affect us through our ecosystems.
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So in a contest between a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces more environmental pollution and a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces less, which one is preferrable?
 
apdst said:
It's not about the environment. It's about government control of the prvate sector.

It's never been about the environment...
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I agree to disagree. The social Power to Regulate (private) Commerce is in our supreme law of the land.

Your argument is analogous to that advanced by gun lovers. Why do we have Any government control, if those Individuals were as responsible as they like to claim from public venues?
 
danielpalos said:
Nobody that I know of is suggesting that. I believe fusion may be more practical, in the long run.
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:shrug: at some point, perhaps. Eventually solar will also become cheap, durable, and effective enough to be integrated into standard roofing material. Just not today or for a few years yet :).
 
One spill brings a demand to spend massive amounts of money to re direct the entire nation's energy needs, rather than upgrading the rotting backbone of the US pipeline network.

Meanwhile Obama is a hero for delaying the Keystone, which will be the most modern technology, while no one pauses to wonder why Canada has almost no spills with ten times the pipelines over the most rugged terrain in North America, and the US has so many spills.

Like most infrastructure in the US, I suspect some repairs are in order before re-inventing the universe.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: at some point, perhaps. Eventually solar will also become cheap, durable, and effective enough to be integrated into standard roofing material. Just not today or for a few years yet :).
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that is exactly what solar is for. if every new home had a solar panel built on it it would provide much larger grid than building a full plant. the excess energy would be put back to the power grid. solar for core power use is well not feasible. it just takes to many panels and if you live in the north were 6-8 months out of the year you have cloud cover and snow it just doesn't work.

i know the next house i have i am going to put solar panels on along with a solar or geothermal water heater system. yes the cost will add onto the home but i think i can still get credits and other things from the fed, state, and power company for doing it.

since it will be the only house i ever build and plan to stay there then it is worth the effort and the money. i just have to sell the house i have now for the down payment.
 
cpwill said:
So in a contest between a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces more environmental pollution and a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces less, which one is preferrable?
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In Only that contest, I would pick the fuel that produces the least negative impact on our environment.
 
cpwill said:
So in a contest between a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces more environmental pollution and a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces less, which one is preferrable?
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We are not going to have train transport of the volume of oil a pipeline will bring and it isn't cost efficient to do so. So this is a strawman.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: at some point, perhaps. Eventually solar will also become cheap, durable, and effective enough to be integrated into standard roofing material. Just not today or for a few years yet :).
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All it takes is money for fusion. So, if we are going to use Socialism to bailout Capitalism, why not do it for a fuel with a future.
 
Fearandloathing said:
One spill brings a demand to spend massive amounts of money to re direct the entire nation's energy needs, rather than upgrading the rotting backbone of the US pipeline network.

Meanwhile Obama is a hero for delaying the Keystone, which will be the most modern technology, while no one pauses to wonder why Canada has almost no spills with ten times the pipelines over the most rugged terrain in North America, and the US has so many spills.

Like most infrastructure in the US, I suspect some repairs are in order before re-inventing the universe.
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If most of it is private, why isn't the private sector doing a better job than the public sector at "infrastructure"?
 
danielpalos said:
In Only that contest, I would pick the fuel that produces the least negative impact on our environment.
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Which is the exact opposite of Tar Sands oil. It is the most expensive and polluting energy on the planet.
 
danielpalos said:
You need to catch up on the latest advances; all it requires now, is money.
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I am caught up on what is going on with fusion power and you're full of it.
 
danielpalos said:
You need to catch up on the latest advances; all it requires now, is money.
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please provide proof, there is a working fusion rector..or the idea has been perfected, and only needs money.....instead of just telling me i need to catch up.
 
danielpalos said:
If most of it is private, why isn't the private sector doing a better job than the public sector at "infrastructure"?
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What the **** are on about?

Where the **** do I even mention "private"?

If you're going to bother me with quoting my posts, at least be relevant.
 
ernst barkmann said:
please provide proof, there is a working fusion rector..or the idea has been perfected, and only needs money.....instead of just telling me i need to catch up.
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Henrin said:
No, you're talking out of your ass.
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Here it is for your ease and convenience:

Nuclear fusion breakthrough: US scientists make crucial step to limitless power

Source: Nuclear fusion breakthrough: US scientists make crucial step to limitless power ? RT USA
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We only need an equivalent to a Manhattan Project to make it happen in eight years or less.
 
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