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U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

Yeah, we are. The UN can't be involved and no the EU is not following the US along with this.
Following the US? Of course the UN is useless but the EU has responded positively. Everything depends on Putin's next move, if there is one.

I don't think that's true at all. Russia is not "terminally weak"
It is, and the demographics tell the story.Demographics of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as well as this Russia Admits That Its Economy Is In Crisis - Business Insider

and I seriously doubt China's long term plans include the US being cop to the world.
I don't know where that came from.
 
Following the US? Of course the UN is useless but the EU has responded positively. Everything depends on Putin's next move, if there is one.

It is, and the demographics tell the story.Demographics of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as well as this Russia Admits That Its Economy Is In Crisis - Business Insider

I don't know where that came from.



Well, almost positively with what I have from the Brits up in here and then there is the French.


Sanctions on Russia over Ukraine could come this week: France


French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Tuesday that sanctions against Russia over Ukraine could be imposed as early as this week if Moscow failed to respond positively to a proposition designed to calm the crisis.

Fabius told radio station France Inter that a referendum in the Crimea region on joining Russia set for March 16 was illegitimate and that the annexation of the region by Russia would be illegal.

"We cannot accept something that is illegal and which will also have very serious consequences," Fabius said.

The minister said the "only legitimate vote" was that for the president of Ukraine on May 25.....snip~

Sanctions on Russia over Ukraine could come this week: France

This means the French only accepts.....Yanokovich as the Legitimate Government in power for the Ukraine.
 
You can't see a difference between what the Russians are doing in Crimea and what we are doing in Columbia or Mexico or Panama, by the way we aren't in Mexico or Panama anymore?

Yes, we are, in all three. We have FBI and IRS offices as well as many other US agencies. We sent the IRS to those countries to set up tax systems for them and also to put our hooks in. We have troops stationed in each of those countries (US ARMY South). We also have a TON of "political advisors" in each.

I can't talk with someone who knows so little, I'll give you a hint though about why its different, one of the reasons its different. It starts with the letter "A" and ends with "nnexation" surely you're clever enough to figure that out.

Oh, you mean like Puerto Rico or the Phillipines or Guam? Or the Virgin Islands? Look the Ukraine chose to secede, now part of it's citizenry wants to come back to the union they once had. How is that any concern of the US?
 
Afternoon J5. :2wave: Well we did cut off our Military to Military talks. Plus Obama is now threatening economic Sanctions against Russia. Yet they still didn't want to Put Putin on the List.

Well thats what I mean. One guy invades, the other guy says 'im not talking to you anymore, and you cant come visit us either, see how you like that!'
 
Gold can lose 40% of its value in a day - so can the dollar - actually the dollar can lose even more. A money / medium of exchange called a "fiat" has repeatedly grown to be worth nothing, but Gold never has been worth nothing. Your delusion of the dollar being "all that" is are just that - delusional.

The dollar theoretically could. How often does it happen? How often does the price of gold fluctuate by a large amount? The dollar is a lot less volatile and "large fluctuations" in value are just a fraction of large gold fluctuations which happen more often. The value isn't important of a currency....it can devalue and gain value as long as the rate of change is predictable and over a long period of time. Volatility is bad for a currency. Gold is volatile. The dollar largely is not.

The proposal for the greenback at the UN had variation of 18 to 33% backing by the US dollar and little tiny countries like China and Russia opposed that - the formula is not static, determined and can change at any moment. Of course its likely the currency would be backed by the dollar at first, but it would also likely change over time; regardless the US would no longer be able to just print up currency for energy and goods it consumes.
What would it be changed to? Do you honestly think anybody will actually use a currency backed by the Euro/Dollar if they can just use the dollar/Euro? If people don't trust the dollar (which has been the most stable currency probably in history) they are going to trust the UN?

The best part of the economic collapse that just happened 08/09 is that the world suffered worse then we did. That doesn't mean the dollar is strong it just does not have a current competitor. Both China and Russia would like to change that - what happens of OPEC decides to change that and no longer takes dollars for oil - your life as you know it just got screwed. Mine would be fine - how will you buy bread?
What it showed is that there are structural problems in the world and comparatively the US (and the dollar) are the most stable in the world.

You seem to act like they take the dollar as a charity case.

Which currency would you take as an OPEC country. The Ruble? The Yuan which is pretty much strictly controlled by the Chinese government? The Yen which has proven to be volatile?

If you sell your oil you want a currency that you know will relatively keep it's value. If you sign a contract to provide oil in 5 months at a certain cost you want a currency that will change by a small amount or act in a predictable manner. That's why the dollar is used.
 
There have been several. Of course our history as a world is only a few hundred years old in terms of global economies. The british pound was the last one before the dollar
Reserve currencies are a new concept. The old "reserve currency" was gold.

several other currencies still compete for reserve status today including the franc, yuan, yen, and euro.
By "compete" you mean almost non-existent? Sure...a bank probably has some reserve currency of it's largest trading partners but the Euro and Dollar make up like 85% of reserve currency held by central banks.

But please - keep your head in the sand and enjoy the results. I'm sure FEMA will save you.
What are you even talking about?
 
Well, China maybe, though they'd own a lot of the US, maybe the whole thing. Not sure how you get to Russia feeling the pain.

What if the collapse is already being orchestrated? Many countries are concerned by our debt and continued spending, and have been actively pushing for a new "basket of currencies" backed by gold, to replace the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. If and when that ever happens, we are in big trouble! When newspapers like the Financial Times start talking about it, it's apparently not "fluff." I don't know that Russia is part of that, but I suppose they could be.

Greetings, clownboy. :2wave:
 
Yes, we are, in all three. We have FBI and IRS offices as well as many other US agencies. We sent the IRS to those countries to set up tax systems for them and also to put our hooks in. We have troops stationed in each of those countries (US ARMY South). We also have a TON of "political advisors" in each.

Oh, you mean like Puerto Rico or the Phillipines or Guam? Or the Virgin Islands? Look the Ukraine chose to secede, now part of it's citizenry wants to come back to the union they once had. How is that any concern of the US?

Just because did someone wrong over a hundred years ago doesn't give Russia the excuse to do something wrong today in a totally different part of the world. Are you really arguing that two wrongs make a right?
 
Just because did someone wrong over a hundred years ago doesn't give Russia the excuse to do something wrong today in a totally different part of the world. Are you really arguing that two wrongs make a right?

Nope, just saying we both take such actions within our sphrere of influence. The Ukraine is so far out of our sphere of influence that us taking any action is like Russia levelling sanctions against the US for our treatment of Mexico.
 
Is it really common to sanction individuals?

I don't think I have Heard that before.

What if another country didn't like some US decisión? Could another country sanction US officials and what would the President do about it?
If Russia or China would have put such sanctions, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Making US president acting like this, give the merit to Putin for sure.
 
— Vladislav Surkov, a Putin aide

— Sergey Glazyev, a Putin adviser

— Leonid Slutsky, a state Duma deputy

— Andrei Klishas, member of the Council of Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation

— Valentina Matviyenko, head of the Federation Council

— Dmitry Rogozin, deputy prime minister of the Russian Federation.

— Yelena Mizulina, a state Duma deputy.....snip~

So what kind of sanctions are set against these individuals? They cannot leave Russia? Their assets outside of Russia will be frozen? What?
 
If Russia or China would have put such sanctions, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Making US president acting like this, give the merit to Putin for sure.

Well Obama has to do something! How is sanctioning these people gives merit to Putin? What kind of merit? That he can conquer other countries territories at will and stage votes and expect people to recognize them?
 
Well Obama has to do something! How is sanctioning these people gives merit to Putin? What kind of merit? That he can conquer other countries territories at will and stage votes and expect people to recognize them?

The merit that he made the world to look to Obama as a "Russian leader" and to Putin as a "West leader".
Don't you see how much these 2 sides changed their way of talking.
Putin is giving lessons to Ukraine, meanwhile US is giving threats to Russia.
 
Certainly not, but I'll echo some others who have said this already. If this was the response.... it would have been better to not respond at all. If you're gonna try and look tough geopolitically, THIS US response was a text book "Don't do it this way" example. I'm fine with us taking the back seat and letting the EU deal with this.

It is not in EU's interest to deal with it.
They are Russians, they may be most bad guys in ther planet but EU need them.
US should understand and accept this fact.
 
Nope, just saying we both take such actions within our sphrere of influence. The Ukraine is so far out of our sphere of influence that us taking any action is like Russia levelling sanctions against the US for our treatment of Mexico.

Ya and that one happened 150 years ago, don't forget that part.
 
What if the collapse is already being orchestrated? Many countries are concerned by our debt and continued spending, and have been actively pushing for a new "basket of currencies" backed by gold, to replace the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. If and when that ever happens, we are in big trouble! When newspapers like the Financial Times start talking about it, it's apparently not "fluff." I don't know that Russia is part of that, but I suppose they could be.

Greetings, clownboy. :2wave:

First, get a good background for what is happening, then draw conclusions. Cui bono? Who benefits is always a good start. The linked article gives the major details of the Ukraine economy and the status (billionaires) of the players. I've only quoted Item 6, but all are worth reading.

Who Benefits From Ukraine

"Who Benefits From Ukraine’s Economic Crisis? (Hint: Not Average Ukrainians)
by Jack Rasmus"

"6. Ukraine Crony Capitalists-USA Capitalists Connections

Little has been written to date about the close connections between the Ukraine’s ‘crony capitalists’ pro-western wing’s connections to western capitalist interests, and USA capitalists in particular.

There are two wings of Ukrainian ‘cronys’—the pro-western and the pro-Russian. Both are composed of opportunist bureaucrats of the Soviet era turned capitalist when the Soviet Union imploded more than 20 years ago. Both wings have been fighting it out openly since the Orange Revolution of 2004, now one in ascendancy, now the other. The pro-western wing is loosely associated with the ‘Fatherland’ Party, once led by Timoshenko and her predecessors; the other by Yanukovich and his predecessors, associated with the ‘Regions’ Party. All the top politicians in both are multi-millionaires and billionaires, having alternating between themselves in raping the Ukraine economically for more than two decades now. The Ukraine in the early 1990s had an economy and standard of living well above the other new ex-Soviet Republics. Today its GDP and average income is less than Belarus and well below Russia’s.

The Yanukovich cronies have been deposed in the recent coup of February 22, or are at least in retreat economically and trying to consolidate their economic forces. Ousted from political control are Yanukovich and ‘Regions’ party billionaire cronies like Rinat Akhmetov, richest man in the Ukraine worth $15 billion, with big holdings in energy and metals; Vadim Novinsky, the third richest; Dymtro Firtash, with billions in chemicals, banking and real estate, who was recently arrested in western Europe; and Sehiy Tihipko, former head of the Ukraine central bank.

The Fatherland party billionaires are now in control, with their very wealthy compatriot, newly minted prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, running the new government. But behind the scenes lurk the real new crony powerbrokers.

At the top of this list is Victor Pinchuk, the second richest man in the Ukraine with an empire in Media and other business interests. His foundation has been central in funding NGOs (non-government organizations) in the Ukraine, which have been the conduits for western money to help destabilize the Ukraine for years. Pinchuk’s foundation works closely with Yatsenyuk’s foundation. Pinchuk is also close to Wall St. and the Council on Foreign Relations in the USA, the premier foreign policy strategy organization of capitalists in the US. Pinchuk is also on the board of the Petersen Institute in the USA, another key organization influencing US economic and foreign policy. Pinchuk interfaces frequently with the Clinton and Blair Foundations, and is a major participant in the annual gathering of big capitalists at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. He is friends with Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

Below Pinchuk are other key crony-billonaires like Igor Turchynov, interim President and Speaker of the Ukrainian parliament; Stepan Kuban, who heads the new Ukrainian central bank; Sergey Tartuta, billionaire coal and steel boss with extensive holdings in eastern Ukraine, who was just recently appointed the new governor of the Donetsk region in the east after the Yatsenyuk team fired its previous pro-Yanukovich governor. Tartuta has close economic ties with Poland and Hungarian capitalists. Still another is Ihor Kolomysky, similarly appointed in recent weeks as new governor of the Dnepopetrovsk region in the eastern Ukraine.

These billionaires who are either themselves in the Ukrainian parliament, or who were and continue to control blocks of 30-50 votes each, were undoubtedly behind the ‘inside strategy’ of the February 22 Coup. The ‘outside strategy’ was driven by the proto-fascists on the street and in Maidan square. As the latter stepped up the attack outside the Parliament, on the inside the vote to depose Yanukovich took place, as some of his own cronies deserted him to join the ‘Fatherland’ cronies—no doubt convinced in part by threats that arose simultaneously from the west that their assets in Swiss and Luxembourg banks would be frozen. As for the Maidan proto-fascists—the elements of the Svoboda party, the ‘Right Sector’, the UPA, and others—they have been nicely rewarded for their assistance with no fewer than six key positions in the new post-coup government of Yatsenyuk. These include formal positions of police and military power, such as Oleksandr Sych, new vice-premier (second to Yatsenyuk); Andrey Parubiy, National Security Secretary and head of the National Security Council; Dmytro Yarosh, Deputy Secretary for National Security; and Oleh Makhnitsky, Chief Prosecutor; Dimitri Balaatov, Minister of Youth. It is clear the proto-fascists have chosen positions in the government that will allow them to build, arm and organize their street gangs better in the future, now under official government cover."
 
What else do we want? To go to war? Take a hatchet to the world's economy?

If a foreign government seized your entire retirement savings; would that not cause you to be angry? ... This is a perfectly legitimate and finely tuned move. The point here is not necessarily abject punishment nor throwing a yoke the world's prosperity, but to have the Russian government know that that they are alone in this fight. Ukraine is now permanently outside of Russia's grasp. The Balkans are Russia-wary, and Poland and the Baltic states are now rigidly hostile towards Russia.

This is noticeably unpopular in civilian Russia. The non-state media has been entirely closed down, which is infuriating and motivating to the opposition. The Russian economy and stock market has sharply dropped. The G8 has been canceled. Even Russia's closest allies like Kazakhstan are freaked out and alarmed. What Putin has traded is the stability of his autocratic state and the wealth of his advisers for a small, impoverished region filled with a minority of incredibly bitter Tartars and ethnic Ukrainians.

We need to support the Ukrainians with guns and training.
 
So this is payback? :lamo

No this is about not letting a country violate the sovereignty of another without consequences. What the **** is this response supposed to mean? Are you just babbling on without any train of thought at all? I mean seriously you're bringing up the Mexican American War as justification for Russia's actions, how the **** are the two related?
 
So what kind of sanctions are set against these individuals? They cannot leave Russia? Their assets outside of Russia will be frozen? What?

Heya DDD. :2wave: Yep froze assets and issued travel bans.
 
We need to support the Ukrainians with guns and training.

Do you really think EU like it in the background.
Dude, EU is not is the side of US regarding the Ukraine issue. They want to deal it by their own way.
Beside of what is showed in the 1st picture, EU doesn't like/want to support US, and even US government know it.
 
No this is about not letting a country violate the sovereignty of another without consequences. What the **** is this response supposed to mean? Are you just babbling on without any train of thought at all? I mean seriously you're bringing up the Mexican American War as justification for Russia's actions, how the **** are the two related?

I didn't bring it up - YOU did.

Now, explain to us what motivation the US has for meddling in this matter?
 
I am referring to your complete faith in the dollar. If the dollar won't pay for your food what will you do? If it's toilet paper status won't cover your gas to get to work then what? As I said I'm sure you can trust your beloved govt to put you ahead of the dictator of the day and his gold game.

BTW take gold in 1914 and take it again today....same amount. Now do the same with "dollars" and which has more buying power today vs then? Just curious.


Reserve currencies are a new concept. The old "reserve currency" was gold.


By "compete" you mean almost non-existent? Sure...a bank probably has some reserve currency of it's largest trading partners but the Euro and Dollar make up like 85% of reserve currency held by central banks.


What are you even talking about?
 
Still trying to understand why those Russian officials might have any assets stored in the US to begin with.
 
I didn't bring it up - YOU did.

Now, explain to us what motivation the US has for meddling in this matter?

You brought it up dude

Nope, just saying we both take such actions within our sphrere of influence. The Ukraine is so far out of our sphere of influence that us taking any action is like Russia levelling sanctions against the US for our treatment of Mexico.
 
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