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Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

j-mac said:
It certainly is told to us that it is fine to broach subjects like homosexuality to kindergartners, are we to think that high school students aren't equipped to see how a baby in the womb develops?
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Technically it is not a baby in the womb. A baby is what comes out of the womb. Inside the womb it is a alien parasite implanted by a male oppressor-violator for the purpose of sapping precious bodily fluids from the host female in order to maintain dominance over her and force more oppressor-violators upon society.

Sheesh! Weren't you taking notes in high school biology?
 
Lursa said:
They're not out rambling about the school proseletyzing...they're in a room somewhere, in a group, separate from the rest of the students unless they choose to join.
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Wrong....they wanted to set up tables in the lunch room. Read the article.
 
American said:
Your entire post is total unmitigated bull**** and doesn't contain a single fact. First off, it's a high school so how would the principal say it's okay to discuss homosexuality with KINDERGARTENERS?
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Wow, do you not understand that was exactly my point?

Instead of ranting about something which makes you look silly, see if you can go back and comprehend my argument. It's not a difficult one.

Secondly you don't know if their pro-life club's literature is factless or not. You just assume it is.
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I said nothing of the sort. What I said is the school should not engage in a political hot topic, unless it is at an appropriate time (like in a class, moderated by a teacher) and is done with fact based literature.

Seriously, reading comprehension isn't hard. You should spend more time trying it and less time ranting about something you clearly don't understand.
 
1750Texan said:
The shocking aspect would be to refer to the fetus a "child" or "baby".

That is why science is left to the science classroom. Many of these students will going on to medical careers. To fill their heads with nonsence is a disservice.
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A child in the womb at 28 weeks? At that point it is capable of survival outside the womb, you know that right? The propaganda to re name what it is in gestation, can only logically be to assuage your own feelings of guilt for supporting murder of something so defenseless.

To call it a baby, or a child, is not nonsense, it is accurate. It's not a toaster in there, nor is it an eggplant.....It is a baby.
 
Del Zeppnile said:
Technically it is not a baby in the womb. A baby is what comes out of the womb. Inside the womb it is a alien parasite implanted by a male oppressor-violator for the purpose of sapping precious bodily fluids from the host female in order to maintain dominance over her and force more oppressor-violators upon society.

Sheesh! Weren't you taking notes in high school biology?
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heh, heh.....that is a terrific mimic of liberal babble .... Kudos sir.
 
j-mac said:
Do I have evidence? You mean other than the teaching materials that have been documented to have been used? I don't understand why you would choose to deny that..."Unfair"? How about what is "unfair" to the students, and their rights?

That you or I agree, or disagree with the principle of this particular school is irrelevant. And that you say the school shouldn't take a position on such charged topic, well, they did, didn't they? As for "appropriate times", and "fact based", who decides that? You? It is clear today that in our polarized culture, the easiest way to stifle a position is to just claim that which you don't agree with is not based in "fact". As for the timing, I don't really see the problem with showing what a baby looks like at say 28 weeks in the womb, and demonstrating that with a life sized model...What does it matter if it is in the hall at lunch time, or at the end of the day at dismissal?
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Slyfox696 said:
Wow, do you not understand that was exactly my point?

Instead of ranting about something which makes you look silly, see if you can go back and comprehend my argument. It's not a difficult one.

I said nothing of the sort. What I said is the school should not engage in a political hot topic, unless it is at an appropriate time (like in a class, moderated by a teacher) and is done with fact based literature.

Seriously, reading comprehension isn't hard. You should spend more time trying it and less time ranting about something you clearly don't understand.
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I'm not the only person that disagree with you about your post. And for the second time you imply their literature isn't fact based.
 
1750Texan said:
vote your conscience, but accept the outcome.
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Actually, you can vote your conscience and accept the outcome, but when those who win the vote act contrary to the principles on which the democracy is base, you must stand against that or tyranny will reign. To do otherwise is to abandon your responsibility as an informed and interested citizen and to let "leaders" act in their own self interest as opposed to the collective interests of society.
 
Ikari said:
I would imagine that both pro-life and pro-choice groups would be allowed to exist in high school.
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I would *hope* that both are allowed.

These are high school kids we're talking about. In a few years, they will be voting.
 
clownboy said:
No problem. Perhaps you just aren't aware that for decades now PP has supplied public schools with lesson and course plans and curricular materials, all funded and approved by the Federal Dept of Education. This includes teaching on abortion (and you know PP isn't going to teach anti-abortion). Add into that their sponsorship of pickup vans and services.

You may not have heard about that last as they keep it close to the vest. Any high school student who needs a ride to the clinic for an abortion can be picked up during school hours, excused from school and are given a free ride to the abortion clinic - all without the parents ever being notified.

Here is where parents are pushing back a bit.

Parents Take Battle With Planned Parenthood to Next Level | Daily News | NCRegister.com
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Your post does not include any information that suggests the required health classes have a "pro-abortion" aspect to them.
 
prometeus said:
Yes, NOT ALLOWED IN SHOOL, which part do you have difficulty grasping?
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The 1st Amendment says quite the opposite. What part of THAT don't you understand?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Sweet ****ing jesus.

Okay - whatever. Suddenly kids can say whatever they want AT SCHOOL. :roll:
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When it come to political speech, you're damn right they can.
 
American said:
I'm not the only person that disagree with you about your post.
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Nor are you the only person who doesn't understand why asserting hypocrisy is foolish, for the very reason you mentioned (which is that the high school principal in this story is highly unlikely to be the one pushing gay tolerance in kindergartens).

So does that excuse your actions then? Because other people didn't bother with reading comprehension, it's okay you didn't?

And for the second time you imply their literature isn't fact based.
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And for the second time, I did no such thing. I have absolutely no idea what their literature is. What I'm saying is that a school should provide facts, not emotion or political spin, and should provide those facts in a controlled and moderated environment, not a lunch room when people are eating. And that belief goes for both sides of a politically charged argument like abortion.

So are you done having a mini-meltdown now? Do you realize why your first post to me was ridiculous?
 
1750Texan said:
Freedom of speech, especialy in a student's case, does not mean that the school can not set rules, regulations, and restrictions.

If a student wished to go out to the flag pole and read the constitution durring math class...does the school have to allow her the right to do so?

Freedom of speech within reason.
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And if this were a group of gay students, you would be the first to scream about their right to free speech.
 
I think it is "controversial" because it reminds a lot of people that a fetus is a human being and that makes them uncomfortable.
 
apdst said:
When it come to political speech, you're damn right they can.
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This is not discussing political speech. I was discussing the potential for both pro-life groups and pro-choice groups to be a source of student harassment, ridicule, and divisive peer pressure.

All three are unacceptable in schools and are met with consequences.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
This is not discussing political speech. I was discussing the potential for both pro-life groups and pro-choice groups to be a source of student harassment, ridicule, and divisive peer pressure.

All three are unacceptable in schools and are met with consequences.
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That's no excuse to violate someone's rights.
 
clownboy said:
Because they can't all manage private school or homeschooling for their children and grandchildren. Besides, that folks are still fighting against the double standard shows there is still interest in keeping the public school system alive and healthy.

Then again, maybe they're learning by watching the homosexuals - it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. :mrgreen:
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To an extent, true - but I think it has more to do with public acceptance toward liberal agendas than extraneous barking from the "gay crowd".

All I'm saying is that you fight the fights you can win. In liberal bastions like schools, do what Kenny Rogers suggests: know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em. They want to embrace homosexuality and demonize the lifer crowd. Is it hypocrisy? Yes. Will it change? Highly unlikely. Is it worth battling? Nope.
 
Gipper said:
In liberal bastions like schools, do what Kenny Rogers suggests: know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em. They want to embrace homosexuality and demonize the lifer crowd. Is it hypocrisy? Yes. Will it change? Highly unlikely. Is it worth battling? Nope.
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What's it like to go through life thinking the whole world is against you?
 
Slyfox696 said:
What's it like to go through life thinking the whole world is against you?
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Not against me. I'm pro-choice (well, in the first trimester anyway).

Perhaps that "Libertarian" tag over to the left is confusing to you? Libertarians are typically pro-choice. They're against lifers, not me.
 
j-mac said:
A child in the womb at 28 weeks? At that point it is capable of survival outside the womb, you know that right? The propaganda to re name what it is in gestation, can only logically be to assuage your own feelings of guilt for supporting murder of something so defenseless.

To call it a baby, or a child, is not nonsense, it is accurate. It's not a toaster in there, nor is it an eggplant.....It is a baby.
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Well, at least in the title of the thread you posted and in your link it describes the pro life group as wanting to use a model of a life sized fetus.

At least the proper terminology was used in the thread title and the link.

The terms embryo and fetus are proper terms for different stages of development of an unborn during pregnancy .

It is not propaganda.
 
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prometeus said:
No it does not.

Oh I understand what the First says, too bad you have no clue what it means and where it applies.
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Show me where it says it doesn't apply to school kids. Thanks in advance.
 
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