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Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

No, you don't have to be respectful.

APDST - we are talking about students in a school.

Usually being respectful is mandatory. Violating that and the student gets in trouble.
 
Here is what you said: "The pro-abortion stance has been rolled into the health curriculum."

Here is what I replied; "Proof"?

I'm asking you specifically, if you have ANY proof or evidence that there is a "pro-abortion" stance in a public high school class, in this case called "health."

If that is your opinion, I will respect that and not question it. However, if you are saying that it is factual that health class lessons have a pro-abortion stance, then I'd like to see proof of that.

clownboy: skip the forum sliding and engage me in a discussion about proof?
 
Catholic schools, homeschooling, charter schools, just get the children out of these liberal cesspools of indoctrination. What a horrible thing, some children actually believe that fetuses should be allowed to live! This is absolute blasphemy to the school administrators and the teacher's union. This terrible failure must be the parent's fault.
Please, you are making a spectacle of yourself and your fake indignation is pure tripe. No one gives a **** what any student believes, but spreading that belief is not allowed in school, it is that simple.
 
APDST - we are talking about students in a school.

Usually being respectful is mandatory. Violating that and the student gets in trouble.

Where does it say that in The Constitution?
 
Please, you are making a spectacle of yourself and your fake indignation is pure tripe. No one gives a **** what any student believes, but spreading that belief is not allowed in school, it is that simple.

Not allowed in school? :lamo
 
And we sure wouldn't want any other views to be expressed that aren't in lock-step with the "wildly inaccurate" ones espoused by the teaching unions that run education and curriculum these days.

You have the choice to home shool your child and teach them all your knowledge of the Universe.
 
Where does it say that in The Constitution?

Freedom of speech, especialy in a student's case, does not mean that the school can not set rules, regulations, and restrictions.

If a student wished to go out to the flag pole and read the constitution durring math class...does the school have to allow her the right to do so?

Freedom of speech within reason.
 
We arrived at that point by way of moral relativism and rationalization. We have decided that as long as the result of an action can be deemed positive, the action itself is acceptable, and that any attempt to assign moral implications to an action drifts too far into the realm of religion, thus is unacceptable to consider.

Wow. Wrong forum section but that is just...wow. While I agree 100% each person should examine their choices fully before making a decision, that is quite the major implication in that post. There are indeed moral implications outside of religion...but they apply to all/both parties in any decision.

Maybe I am assuming what that post applied to. If not abortion, my bad. I think it is a fascinating comment...but after looking at it (from mostly the abortion focus)....it's incorrect....even when applied elsewhere. I would like to explore it further.
 
You have the choice to home shool your child and teach them all your knowledge of the Universe.

Or you have the choice to demand that the taxes you pay to fund public education are used in an unbiased, unpolitical, unideological way.
 
I have seen tons of fetus pics and abortion pics, but I have never really seen a birth.


But yet, they wouldn't permit images of birth outside of the science classroom.

Nor would they permit a pro-choice group.

I guess I'm glad my children's school district is more reasonable and not relying on extremes and shock to terrify students into various views.
 
Let me see. A pro-life group brings the display in, and it's not political? OK. Anything you say.

Well the political focus of the group is no secret to begin with, is it? if the group is allowed at the school, then why not allow accurate portrayals? Arent people there either to support each other or learn more?
 
Or you have the choice to demand that the taxes you pay to fund public education are used in an unbiased, unpolitical, unideological way.

You have the right to demand anything you wish...You also have the choice not to accept it.
 
No - I'm pretty certain that if someone tried to start a pro-choice group and showed aborted fetuses it would cause an uproar and be deemed offensive.

Maybe I'm missing something (if so, I apologize) but it's the pro-life groups that use those pics for emotional blackmail....not pro-choice groups.

And that was not even close to the case here.
 
If they were a biology student group, that would be completely different. But these kids have a political motive. If they hand out pro life literature or discuss why you shouldn't abort, that isn't just a science display.



How is the school taking a position? And why are you talking about discussing "the political issue"? We have absolutely no indication that the exhibit was political. It's biology. If that's where the school wants to take it, to the political realm, that's their problem.

People always criticize our public schools for not fostering independent thought. This is a classic example of that.
 
You have the right to demand anything you wish...You also have the choice not to accept it.

Actually, no, you don't have a particular "right" to do so - you have an obligation as a voting member of a democratic society to ensure you do all you can to enforce it.
 
What do you find so shocking about a child in the womb?

The shocking aspect would be to refer to the fetus a "child" or "baby".

That is why science is left to the science classroom. Many of these students will going on to medical careers. To fill their heads with nonsence is a disservice.
 
I would be. Not that that I have anything against chess....its just that when you open it up to one group, you have to open it to all and there are some after-school groups that I don't think are appropriate for the school day. I have no problem with after-school groups using school facilities including religious groups, gay rights groups etc. But after-school or weekend use allows students an opportunity to choose to participate or not. When it is during the school day, it is more difficult to avoid. If you allow chess, you allow proseletyzing by religious groups during the school day.

They're not out rambling about the school proseletyzing...they're in a room somewhere, in a group, separate from the rest of the students unless they choose to join.
 
Actually, no, you don't have a particular "right" to do so - you have an obligation as a voting member of a democratic society to ensure you do all you can to enforce it.

vote your conscience, but accept the outcome.
 
Usually that is taught in "health' class. Should we hand over teaching on gestation to school groups? Should the information be reviewed by health instructors and sanctioned or denied based on "correct" information?

Nobody is forcing kids to join this group...they join because of common interests.
 
The shocking aspect would be to refer to the fetus a "child" or "baby".

That is why science is left to the science classroom. Many of these students will going on to medical careers. To fill their heads with nonsence is a disservice.

"Shocking" is a relative term, some people are more easily startled than others. You are apparently easily shocked, whereas nothing much shocks me.

That said, science exists outside the science classroom. One would hope that students take that which they learn in the classroom and apply it to the real world they are confronted with.

I for one don't want to perpetuate a culture of kids who are all stars in the classroom and completely useless in the real world, do you?
 
Ok, there are a few things obviously left out of this dust up at this school, and the reporting of it...

1. What's wrong with showing the development of a baby?

2. What was on the poster boards?

3. Don't groups sanctioned within a high school have teacher advisers?

The article leaves questions, such as

1. What was the display depicting?

2. Were the students just educating on the levels of gestation?

3. Why is the development of a child in the womb, "controversial"?

It certainly is told to us that it is fine to broach subjects like homosexuality to kindergartners,
are we to think that high school students aren't equipped to see how a baby in the womb develops?




Think whatever you want to think.

The USA is a free country.





Just don't expect everyone to support your ideas.
 
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