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Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

Well I just see that it would become divisive - creating tension when it doesn't need to be there, embarrassing students and casting guilt. Ultimately: I see allowing certain types of groups to be a form of peer pressure.

"You're a terrible person for being 16 and pregnant and not wanting to actually birth a baby." If someone aligned with pro-life then pro-choice people might harass her and giver her a hard time for "being just a baby machine and disrespecting yourself, you're better than that"

I was pregnant in high school and I'm glad I didn't have to take anything from my peers about it. Dealing with my parents, being forced to marry a boy I didn't love, and facing my father's church was bad enough. School was the one place where my pregnancy wasn't the center of discussions.
 

Having an officially recognized pro-life student group at a public school is not wise, anymore than a pro-choice student group. It opens yourself up to lawsuits like this, which takes away money used to educate those students.
 
1750Texan said:
You are confusing advocate groups with student based groups. It is presumed that advocate groups present a informed perspective. That can be debated...but there is no presumption that information presented by a student group is accurate.

Life size photo of a fetus is not the total of the information presented. A photo of a life size fetus is not information. A life size fetus at what stage? Life size means what?

A life size photo of a first trimester fetus can be shown on a 4" X 4" placard. Is that what was being displayed?


dont argue abortion using these kids. Stand on your own.
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I'm not arguing abortion at all. And again I see no indication that inaccurate info was being presented. Perhaps I missed that and you can point it out.

Both PP and DARE have rolled their causes into the health curriculum at schools. They give out shockingly inaccurate info all the time. Student groups should be able to push back with accurate info.
 
Paxaeon said:

Having an officially recognized pro-life student group at a public school is not wise, anymore than a pro-choice student group. It opens yourself up to lawsuits like this, which takes away money used to educate those students.
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The pro-abortion stance has been rolled into the health curriculum. They are represented by default. Students cannot graduate without taking the health course.
 
I think any rational adult recognizes this for what it actually is...and thus finds it distasteful.

Children should not be exposed, or indoctrinated to aspects of adult life they are not ready for, or need to deal with.


Just as we all feel younger childrenneed not know what a freakin' Blow job is...they do not need tosee abortion.
 
clownboy said:
The pro-abortion stance has been rolled into the health curriculum. They are represented by default. Students cannot graduate without taking the health course.
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Proof? I only know what I read and I have read nothing about that.
 
Paxaeon said:
Proof? I only know what I read and I have read nothing about that.
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Proof of what, that a health class is required for graduation from high school? Or that PP rolled sex ed and abortion into the health curriculum? That's all been the case for decades now.
 
clownboy said:
Proof of what, that a health class is required for graduation from high school? Or that PP rolled sex ed and abortion into the health curriculum? That's all been the case for decades now.
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Btw, I see that some states have opted out of this. Texas for one is no longer requiring health class for graduation as of 2009.
 
Catholic schools, homeschooling, charter schools, just get the children out of these liberal cesspools of indoctrination. What a horrible thing, some children actually believe that fetuses should be allowed to live! This is absolute blasphemy to the school administrators and the teacher's union. This terrible failure must be the parent's fault.
 
clownboy said:
Proof of what, that a health class is required for graduation from high school? Or that PP rolled sex ed and abortion into the health curriculum? That's all been the case for decades now.
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Here is what you said: "The pro-abortion stance has been rolled into the health curriculum."

Here is what I replied; "Proof"?

I'm asking you specifically, if you have ANY proof or evidence that there is a "pro-abortion" stance in a public high school class, in this case called "health."

If that is your opinion, I will respect that and not question it. However, if you are saying that it is factual that health class lessons have a pro-abortion stance, then I'd like to see proof of that.
 
MaggieD said:
I think everyone (read "the principal" here) is so damned afraid of being called on the carpet that they tend to err on the side of what they deem is caution. Of course it's ridiculous. If kids aren't seeing pictures of fetus development in science or biology in high school, their education is lacking. Having a hands-on exhibit at lunchtime? What's the problem?
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Maybe people are worried that the presenters took some artistic liberty a when dipicting the fetus.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Hmm - my question is 'why did they allow a pro-life group in a highschool to begin with?'

Odd.
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I would imagine that both pro-life and pro-choice groups would be allowed to exist in high school.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
But yet, they wouldn't permit images of birth outside of the science classroom.

Nor would they permit a pro-choice group.

I guess I'm glad my children's school district is more reasonable and not relying on extremes and shock to terrify students into various views.
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That was in the article (images of birth in the science class room and not allowing any pro-choice groups), or are you just assuming things here?
 
MaggieD said:
I think everyone (read "the principal" here) is so damned afraid of being called on the carpet that they tend to err on the side of what they deem is caution. Of course it's ridiculous. If kids aren't seeing pictures of fetus development in science or biology in high school, their education is lacking. Having a hands-on exhibit at lunchtime? What's the problem?
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Since the court ruling in California a couple weeks ago, school principles can violate the 1st Amendment any way they want.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
No - I'm pretty certain that if someone tried to start a pro-choice group and showed aborted fetuses it would cause an uproar and be deemed offensive.
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That's seems more like an assumption that proper argument as to why we should limit the political curiosities and activism of children.
 
No problem. Perhaps you just aren't aware that for decades now PP has supplied public schools with lesson and course plans and curricular materials, all funded and approved by the Federal Dept of Education. This includes teaching on abortion (and you know PP isn't going to teach anti-abortion). Add into that their sponsorship of pickup vans and services.

You may not have heard about that last as they keep it close to the vest. Any high school student who needs a ride to the clinic for an abortion can be picked up during school hours, excused from school and are given a free ride to the abortion clinic - all without the parents ever being notified.

Here is where parents are pushing back a bit.

Parents Take Battle With Planned Parenthood to Next Level | Daily News | NCRegister.com
 
One only has to look at the comments to the local news article to see why a school should not allow a student pro-life or pro-choice group to operate on campus.
 
disneydude said:
Thats why they shouldn't be allowed in the school during regular school hours. After-school hours is a different story. If kids choose to participate in a learning experience after school, they should absolutely be allowed that right. But school hours should be reserved for basic education.
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Which should include political activism as well. Seeing as an educated and participating populace is a necessity to keep a Republic.
 
Here is a definition of comprehensive sex education:

(Redirected from Comprehensive sex education)

Sex education is instruction on issues relating to human sexuality, including human sexual anatomy, sexual reproduction, sexual activity, reproductive health, emotional relations, reproductive rights and responsibilities, abstinence, and birth control. Common avenues for sex education are parents or caregivers, formal school programs, and public health campaigns. Sex education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I don't see why conservatives bitch. It's a well-known double standard in schools (both primary and secondary) these days. It is what it is, and no amount of whining will change it.
 
apdst said:
Since the court ruling in California a couple weeks ago, school principles can violate the 1st Amendment any way they want.
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Link? Sounds like a good thread idea.
 
apdst said:
It's that damned free speech crap!
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Free speech doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. You still have to be respectful, etc. I'm thinking of how teens are - how peer pressure works - and where that leads.

Free Speech? I'm just being realistic.
 
Gipper said:
I don't see why conservatives bitch. It's a well-known double standard in schools (both primary and secondary) these days. It is what it is, and no amount of whining will change it.
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Because they can't all manage private school or homeschooling for their children and grandchildren. Besides, that folks are still fighting against the double standard shows there is still interest in keeping the public school system alive and healthy.

Then again, maybe they're learning by watching the homosexuals - it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. :mrgreen:
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Free speech doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. You still have to be respectful, etc. I'm thinking of how teens are - how peer pressure works - and where that leads.

Free Speech? I'm just being realistic.
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No, you don't have to be respectful.
 
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