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Moscow (AFP) - A United States surveillance drone has been intercepted above the Ukranian region of Crimea, a Russian state arms and technology group said Friday.

"The drone was flying at about 4,000 metres (12,000 feet) and was virtually invisible from the ground. It was possible to break the link with US operators with complex radio-electronic" technology, said Rostec in a statement. The drone fell "almost intact into the hands of self-defence forces" added Rostec, which said it had manufactured the equipment used to down the aircraft, but did not specify who was operating it.

Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group
 
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So whats the chump in chief going to do now? Nothing, thats what.
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it wouldnt surprise me, but all in all, need to wait for the debris.
 
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Moscow (AFP) - A United States surveillance drone has been intercepted above the Ukranian region of Crimea, a Russian state arms and technology group said Friday.

"The drone was flying at about 4,000 metres (12,000 feet) and was virtually invisible from the ground. It was possible to break the link with US operators with complex radio-electronic" technology, said Rostec in a statement. The drone fell "almost intact into the hands of self-defence forces" added Rostec, which said it had manufactured the equipment used to down the aircraft, but did not specify who was operating it.

Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

pics or it didn't happen

How does it feel to swallow up Russian propaganda without giving it a second thought? Is there a slight gag reflex or goes it go down smooth?
 
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Sounds like more Russian BS if you ask me.
 
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it wouldnt surprise me, but all in all, need to wait for the debris.

You didn't read the very brief initial post. They have it, its not broken apart. Just like Iran.

Our weak president will probably apologize.
 
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Drone gets shot down=obama's fault? :roll:

When a weak leader emboldens our enemies, it is his fault. And now we have yet another international incident on our hands, to highlight how Obama wont do a thing.

Welcome to earth.
 
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Thats a very specific claim. They claim to have pictures, I would not be surprised if they do. Then what do you say?

I would like to see the pictures and then determine if it is the real thing - or if it looks like a cardboard cutout.
 
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You didn't read the very brief initial post. They have it, its not broken apart. Just like Iran.

Our weak president will probably apologize.

Apologize to who? Ukrane is a ally and Crimea is still a part of the Ukrane...so if the US or Nato had permission to fly overhead, to whom do the US/Nato apologize to? Putin?
 
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Knowing what I do about electronic attack equipment and radar, it is highly probable that Russia is able and has intercepted a drone using it. The US has been falling behind in electronic attack technology. At some point, stealth technology will be pretty much worthless and countermeasures is where the new air war will be fought and won or lost.
 
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So, we were spying on the Russians using drones, and they managed to capture one. Big deal. That's the purpose of using drones, isn't it, so that when one is captured, there is no hostage to parade about the square while hooting about how the evil US has been spying on them?

Remember Francis Gary Powers and his U2?
 
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Knowing what I do about electronic attack equipment and radar, it is highly probable that Russia is able and has intercepted a drone using it. The US has been falling behind in electronic attack technology. At some point, stealth technology will be pretty much worthless and countermeasures is where the new air war will be fought and won or lost.

Enjoyed the post.

...would only ask you to elaborate a bit, flesh out for us what means countermeasures may take... which would lead one to wondering what measures could one possibly use to counter or obviate those potentially predictable countermeasures? Just what shape might those squares on the game board plausibly take?
Gracias.
 
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So, we were spying on the Russians using drones, and they managed to capture one. Big deal. That's the purpose of using drones, isn't it, so that when one is captured, there is no hostage to parade about the square while hooting about how the evil US has been spying on them?

Remember Francis Gary Powers and his U2?

I think the point is more that Crimea is part of the Ukraine, and an ally of the US so what business do the Russians have shooting down our drones in our allies air space? It's not the act of someone who, as he claims, is just their for the security of ethnic Russians. He can't claim Crimean independence either because his rigged election hasn't even happened yet.
 
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You gotta remember, when someone is quite overtly rooting for Russia, they'll use whatever propaganda they can dredge up.
 
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I think the point is more that Crimea is part of the Ukraine, and an ally of the US so what business do the Russians have shooting down our drones in our allies air space? It's not the act of someone who, as he claims, is just their for the security of ethnic Russians. He can't claim Crimean independence either because his rigged election hasn't even happened yet.

My understanding is that they still have the drone, not that it was shot down. The reason that they captured it is that it was, no doubt, there to spy on Russian forces. So, what do we do about it? Maybe some ranting and hooting about how they have stolen a drone that was flying in the airspace of an ally is in order for the propaganda value such ranting might have. Meanwhile, does anyone think that there was just one drone?
 
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Enjoyed the post.

...would only ask you to elaborate a bit, flesh out for us what means countermeasures may take... which would lead one to wondering what measures could one possibly use to counter or obviate those potentially predictable countermeasures? Just what shape might those squares on the game board plausibly take?
Gracias.

I can't discuss much of what I know publicly due to the sensitive nature of the information but I can postulate. EW (Electronic Warfare) will all boil down to who uses the best deception technology as well as who uses the best detection technology to defeat that deception. It is a suttle game of cat and mouse between technically advanced countries. When one figures out a way to defeat the electronic deception used by fighters and bombers of one country, that country must figure out a way of defeating the detection abilities of that threat.

For example, the F-22 is currently the top of the line when it comes to countermeasures used to defeat detection by it's enemies. The next step is for it's enemies to defeat its electronic countermeasures with new technology.

Nothing is completely invisible to detection. Either visually, electronically or thermally, everything has a signature. The trick of the trade is to make that signature as small as possible so that it can be hidden or mistaken as something else. How embarassing or counterproductive would it be for a military unit to waste all their time tracking a radar target that turns out to be a flock of birds, a bird, or even a mosquito? That is when other methods of detection must be found. And when you have a radar, thermal, accoustic or visual signature of something as small as a small bird or insect, its easy to use electronic countermeasures to fool the radar of the enemy to focus on something larger than you..
 
Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

I can't discuss much of what I know publicly due to the sensitive nature of the information but I can postulate. EW (Electronic Warfare) will all boil down to who uses the best deception technology as well as who uses the best detection technology to defeat that deception. It is a suttle game of cat and mouse between technically advanced countries. When one figures out a way to defeat the electronic deception used by fighters and bombers of one country, that country must figure out a way of defeating the detection abilities of that threat.

For example, the F-22 is currently the top of the line when it comes to countermeasures used to defeat detection by it's enemies. The next step is for it's enemies to defeat its electronic countermeasures with new technology.

Nothing is completely invisible to detection. Either visually, electronically or thermally, everything has a signature. The trick of the trade is to make that signature as small as possible so that it can be hidden or mistaken as something else. How embarassing or counterproductive would it be for a military unit to waste all their time tracking a radar target that turns out to be a flock of birds, a bird, or even a mosquito? That is when other methods of detection must be found. And when you have a radar, thermal, accoustic or visual signature of something as small as a small bird or insect, its easy to use electronic countermeasures to fool the radar of the enemy to focus on something larger than you..

If you know from what base a drone is being controlled and have used ECM to detect the control frequencies, then you can also use the control frequency to determine when to search for a drone and you also know where it came from, giving you a start azimuth for search. Just like a board game.
 
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Knowing what I do about electronic attack equipment and radar, it is highly probable that Russia is able and has intercepted a drone using it. The US has been falling behind in electronic attack technology. At some point, stealth technology will be pretty much worthless and countermeasures is where the new air war will be fought and won or lost.

That was my thought as well-Iran was able to intercept a drone a few years back, it stands that Russia could do the same.
 
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So, we were spying on the Russians using drones, and they managed to capture one. Big deal. That's the purpose of using drones, isn't it, so that when one is captured, there is no hostage to parade about the square while hooting about how the evil US has been spying on them?

Remember Francis Gary Powers and his U2?

Crimea is not Russia (yet). And yet Russia saw fit to interfere with American forces.
 
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I think the point is more that Crimea is part of the Ukraine, and an ally of the US so what business do the Russians have shooting down our drones in our allies air space? It's not the act of someone who, as he claims, is just their for the security of ethnic Russians. He can't claim Crimean independence either because his rigged election hasn't even happened yet.

Thats exactly the point. I'd argue Putin knows Obama isn't going to do a damn thing, so he's comfortable punking the US.
 
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