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Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group[W:157]

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The problem with drones is that they are controlled by satellite radio signals which are actually pretty weak. A ground based transmitter can easily take one over. As soon as our enemies have the information they need to control the drones, the drones will become useless and we'll be busy bringing down their drones.
 
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fmw said:
The problem with drones is that they are controlled by satellite radio signals which are actually pretty weak. A ground based transmitter can easily take one over. As soon as our enemies have the information they need to control the drones, the drones will become useless and we'll be busy bringing down their drones.
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So, now the task is to create autonomous drones.

The US military hopes that drones will be capable of changing their own missions, altering course without a human command, and buzzing through the skies in coordinated groups within the next 25 years, according to a new Defense Department report.

The US Department of Defense (DoD) explained its hopes for the upcoming decades in its Unmanned Systems Integrated Roadmap, released to the public last week. At nearly 150 pages, the report outlines a variety of goals for air, land, and sea vehicles – yet the unmanned aerial systems (as drones are called) are featured prominently throughout.
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Montecresto said:
Who cares what the Arab world thinks about what? This is a general statement, Clinton made when testifying before a congressional committee, that MSM is fluff and no substance, if you want "real news" your obliged to listen to and watch Al Jazeera. Your fail.
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I have watched AJ before....seems as though I can get the same hard news reporting from any of the sources, but I prefer not to have the Qatar spin on the world.
 
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j-mac said:
I have watched AJ before....seems as though I can get the same hard news reporting from any of the sources, but I prefer not to have the Qatar spin on the world.
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You do understand that drones flying out of Ukraine means the CIA has boots on the ground in Ukraine, or do you not know that the CIA runs the drone program? Who'd a thunk it, eh? In Ukraine? USAID. NED. Freedom House. NGOs up the wazoo. Gosh, what could all that mean?
 
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DaveFagan said:
You do understand that drones flying out of Ukraine means the CIA has boots on the ground in Ukraine, or do you not know that the CIA runs the drone program? Who'd a thunk it, eh? In Ukraine? USAID. NED. Freedom House. NGOs up the wazoo. Gosh, what could all that mean?
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According to many in this thread, the whole story is propaganda anyway. But I do take your point that clandestine boots may already be there, in fact it is most likely. Still, even with knowing that, I don't think our mission would be rooted in a nefarious goal, rather preventing one.
 
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Montecresto said:
A BHO diversion is going to improve domestic problems???

And no, it's not most everyone that sees a Putin/Hitler connection. Just those who don't want to miss a chance at war with Russia. Did you see the flack that Hillary Clinton took for making such a connection?
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Clinton tried a similar distraction. It did not work.
 
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DaveFagan said:
You do understand that drones flying out of Ukraine means the CIA has boots on the ground in Ukraine, or do you not know that the CIA runs the drone program? Who'd a thunk it, eh? In Ukraine? USAID. NED. Freedom House. NGOs up the wazoo. Gosh, what could all that mean?
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Supposedly this drone was from Germany, but even if not, it was flying under the approval of the nation of Ukraine.
 
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US Conservative said:
Supposedly this drone was from Germany, but even if not, it was flying under the approval of the nation of Ukraine.
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Which currently doesn't have a legitimate, democratically-elected government. That approval is pretty much meaningless.
 
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Andalublue said:
Which currently doesn't have a legitimate, democratically-elected government. That approval is pretty much meaningless.
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Actually they do have an elected legitimate government.
 
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Grant said:
Actually they do have an elected legitimate government.
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No, they don't.

US Conservative said:
It certainly trumps Russia's presence, doesn't it?
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No, it doesn't.

I think that were I a Ukrainian, I may well have participated in the action against the Yanukovich régime, but I wouldn't have pretended that what we were engaged in was democratic in itself. It was an undemocratic means to a democratic end. Having said that, there seems to be a wide stream of Ukrainian nationalist thinking whose commitment to democratic principles is shaky at best.
 
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Kobie said:
You gotta remember, when someone is quite overtly rooting for Russia, they'll use whatever propaganda they can dredge up.
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Doesn't that work both ways? Isn't it rather a universal statement, inserting whatever name one chooses instead of "Russia?"
 
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j-mac said:
According to many in this thread, the whole story is propaganda anyway. But I do take your point that clandestine boots may already be there, in fact it is most likely. Still, even with knowing that, I don't think our mission would be rooted in a nefarious goal, rather preventing one.
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It has become a ritual that works every time: whenever Washington engages in regime change, mysterious snipers turn out to kill both government forces and opposition protesters. Then they disappear and are in principle never found. That is the case today in Syria, Ukraine and Venezuela. In Syria, the events in Daraa pitted part of the population against the government for a year. In Venezuela, forensic experts have shown that the shooters were the same on both sides and the protest movement is losing momentum. As for Ukraine, the leaked telephone conversations and the ensuing reactions leave little doubt that it is a repetition of the same recipe, observes Wayne Madsen.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article182601.html
 
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US Conservative said:
Clinton tried a similar distraction. It did not work.
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So Obama has created a Ukrainian crisis for the purposes of distracting from his domestic woes. There's a forum for such theories.
 
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US Conservative said:
Supposedly this drone was from Germany, but even if not, it was flying under the approval of the nation of Ukraine.
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How can an illegitimate government, who took control through a violent coup, evicting the elected president, approve anything. Your sense of reason is troubled.
 
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Grant said:
Actually they do have an elected legitimate government.
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Your only consistency is in being wrong.
 
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Henry David said:
Doesn't that work both ways? Isn't it rather a universal statement, inserting whatever name one chooses instead of "Russia?"
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Shhhhhh! You're ruining the message, HD.
 
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Andalublue said:
No, they don't.

No, it doesn't.

I think that were I a Ukrainian, I may well have participated in the action against the Yanukovich régime, but I wouldn't have pretended that what we were engaged in was democratic in itself. It was an undemocratic means to a democratic end. Having said that, there seems to be a wide stream of Ukrainian nationalist thinking whose commitment to democratic principles is shaky at best.
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Exactly, and it was supported by the US. US foreign policy follows an "end justifies the means" mentality.
 
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Andalublue said:
No, they don't.
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Are you saying that the Ukrainian members of Parliament weren't voted in?

I think that were I a Ukrainian, I may well have participated in the action against the Yanukovich régime, but I wouldn't have pretended that what we were engaged in was democratic in itself. It was an undemocratic means to a democratic end. Having said that, there seems to be a wide stream of Ukrainian nationalist thinking whose commitment to democratic principles is shaky at best.
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They are having an election May 25, 2014.
 
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Montecresto said:
Exactly, and it was supported by the US. US foreign policy follows an "end justifies the means" mentality.
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Do you have support for any of this or do you fantasize your facts?
 
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Montecresto said:
How can an illegitimate government, who took control through a violent coup, evicting the elected president, approve anything. Your sense of reason is troubled.
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They are having elections on May 25, 2014. Why get all excited now? The Ukrainians can sort it all out.

The evicted President was corrupt on a scale seldom seen anywhere, except perhaps in Russia.

Viktor Yanukovych boasted of Ukraine corruption, says Mikheil Saakashvili | World news | theguardian.com

Winter Olympics 2014 puts Russia’s corruption
 
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Andalublue said:
No, they don't.

No, it doesn't.

I think that were I a Ukrainian, I may well have participated in the action against the Yanukovich régime, but I wouldn't have pretended that what we were engaged in was democratic in itself. It was an undemocratic means to a democratic end. Having said that, there seems to be a wide stream of Ukrainian nationalist thinking whose commitment to democratic principles is shaky at best.
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Speaking of which...

[video]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26653295[/video]

It's events like this that make you think that Putin's claims about neo-Nazis being behind the coup may have some substance.
 
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Andalublue said:
Speaking of which...

[video]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26653295[/video]

It's events like this that make you think that Putin's claims about neo-Nazis being behind the coup may have some substance.
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Neo Nazis?

This would appear to be pro Russian propaganda during a time of great turmoil for the Ukrainian people. While preferring free media, having Russian celebrations concerning the annexation of Ukrainian territory may not be the sort of propaganda the Ukrainian people need just now, especially when there are further threats of incursions still existing.
 
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