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Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group[W:157]

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jamesrage said:
Russia won't take those things as a act of war? I remember reading in History class that we didn't like what the Japanese were doing to the Chinese so we cut them off and as result we got bombed.
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**** Russia.
 
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US Conservative said:
This is a diplomatic incident. Russia attacking our military over another country. This action has very specific meaning, and Putin knows it.
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....and your proposed response is??
 
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US Conservative said:
Its funny that when I was in medical school my attending told me that wikipedia is actually a great source (especially since it requires citations) and is usually right.

Your view is a bit dated, and if there is any part of that link you dispute, heres where you put up. I wont hold my breath.
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I have seen many people tell us how Wikipedia is not a credible source. I have never seen one of those persons (including this one) actually reference something themselves or give us a credible 3rd party argument of what is wrong with the Wiki. They challenge the authenticity of Wikipedia, yet want us to accept what is in their head as fact. That seems pretty presumptuous, if not arrogant, to me.

The fact is that many studies have been conducted on the credibility of Wikipedia. Most of these studies tell us its a pretty good source for info (and, its cross-referenced)

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica - CNET News
“Is Wikipedia a reliable source?” « Division of Libraries' Blog
http://www.livescience.com/32950-how-accurate-is-wikipedia.html
 
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US Conservative said:
Moscow (AFP) - A United States surveillance drone has been intercepted above the Ukranian region of Crimea, a Russian state arms and technology group said Friday.

"The drone was flying at about 4,000 metres (12,000 feet) and was virtually invisible from the ground. It was possible to break the link with US operators with complex radio-electronic" technology, said Rostec in a statement. The drone fell "almost intact into the hands of self-defence forces" added Rostec, which said it had manufactured the equipment used to down the aircraft, but did not specify who was operating it.

Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group
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Even if they do so what? I'd bet the Ukrainians gave permission to fly the drone over their airspace. And like it or not Crimea is still a part of Ukraine.
 
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joko104 said:
Bin Ladin wasn't killed. Every possible way to confirm he had been killed in the raid was promptly destroyed.
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Your tin foil hat us showing.
 
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j-mac said:
Re writing history Ditto?

"In 1961, Kennedy agreed that America should finance an increase in the size of the South Vietnamese Army from 150,000 to 170,000. He also agreed that an extra 1000 US military advisors should be sent to South Vietnam to help train the South Vietnamese Army. Both of these decisions were not made public as they broke the agreements made at the 1954 Geneva Agreement."

John F Kennedy and Vietnam
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Actually you're both wrong. Vietnam started with Eisenhower.
 
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Grant said:
Perhaps, but the Doctor who helped the US still rots in a Pakistani jail.
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The Pakistani government is to blame for that.
 
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US Conservative said:
This may shock you, but George Bush had his own problems. He as well as europe should have been more forceful towards Russia during the Georgian invasion. But he wasn't-of course he was busy fighting and in the winding down of the successful troop surge that Obama opposed at that time.

The fact that Obama is a weak leader is why Russia is comfortable doing as it pleases.
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Excuses are for losers.
 
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US Conservative said:
You have precisely missed the point, Bush wasn't saying he "didn't care", he said (very clearly) that the war was about much more than one man, and that OBL had been marginalized. Please try to read up on these things before you comment, otherwise people might think you are a bit of a daydream johnny.
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He said and I quote, "I don't know and I don't care."

Please follow your own advise.
 
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US Conservative said:
We were using them in Ukraine. Russia downed the drone IN UKRAINE. Please read the op.
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And you know this just because Russia said they did? I know, I know, if it discredits Obama you'll suck on like a hungry piglet on his momma's teat.
 
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Grant said:
Why is it a US responsibility?

I can't see why the Ukrainians would want to be part of Russia. Can you think of a reason?
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Oh it's not. It would just appear that the US, supported by many of you here, believe it is a matter for the US. I would be delighted for us to focus on the burden of our domestic problems and leave that issue to Russia and the Ukraine to resolve, with involvement of the EU, only in the event that all the fear mongering and comparisons between Putin and Hitler, and Putins alleged designs on Europe beyond Ukraine, were to materialise.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
The Pakistani government is to blame for that.
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Oh no, the US is perfectly legit in attacking and invading sovereign countries to project and protect our interests. That's other countries that are forbidden from such.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
He said and I quote, "I don't know and I don't care."

Please follow your own advise.
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He knew it was very likely that OBL was already dead or incapacitated, and therefore didn't concern himself with him.
 
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Grant said:
Actually it's not a bad analogy at all. Hillary Clinton also compared Adolf Putin to Vladimir Hitler.
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Yes she did, under much deserved criticism. And she was pandering to a private party for fundraising in which no press was invited.

Hillary Rodham Clinton has sparked a political uproar this week by wading into the middle of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, likening the moves of Russian President Vladimir Putin to the actions of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler leading up to World War II.

The former secretary of state’s provocative comparison drew swift rebukes Wednesday from U.S.-Russia policy experts — including some who served under her husband, former president Bill Clinton — while attracting rare notes of support from hawkish Republicans in Congress.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...a748d8-a486-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html

Notice, only warmongering hawks supported her, as is typical.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Incorrect about wars being fought to prove a leader had balls, or that Kennedy most likely wouldn't have committed a half million men to Vietnam under false assumptions as his (also Democrat BTW) successor did?
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"Most likely"? So now you have a crystal ball huh? Look Ditto, despite your revisionist history lesson here the facts remain that----

"By 1963, there were 16,000 American military personnel in South Vietnam, up from Eisenhower's 900 advisors.[151]"

and further

"The Strategic Hamlet Program had been initiated in 1961. This joint U.S.-South Vietnamese program attempted to resettle the rural population into fortified camps. The aim was to isolate the population from the insurgents, provide reeducation programs and health care, and strengthen the government's hold over the countryside. The Strategic Hamlets, however, were quickly infiltrated by the guerrillas. The peasants resented being uprooted from their ancestral villages. In part, this was because Colonel Pham Ngoc Thao, a Diệm favorite who was instrumental in running the program, was in fact a communist agent who used his Catholicism to gain influential posts and damage South Vietnam from the inside."

Then we have-----

"U.S military advisors were embedded at every level of the South Vietnamese armed forces. They were, however, almost completely ignorant of the political nature of the insurgency. The insurgency was a political power struggle, in which military engagements were not the main goal.[158] The Kennedy administration sought to refocus U.S. efforts on pacification and "winning over the hearts and minds" of the population."

Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, where have we heard that strategy recently? Oh yeah, from the Bush administration....Whenever the US gets involved in "Nation Building" we do it poorly, and usually with not nearly enough force to make it stick. Kennedy was weak in his pacifism, and Khrushchev knew it, and exploited it, especially in VN...

To look at what Kennedy would have, or wouldn't have done in concerns, I don't think that increasing troop levels would have been off the table with him, after all he tripled the numbers in his time. And remember his own words:

"pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and success of liberty."

The problem with liberals, and academics is that they often cherry pick what they want to believe about a President, and often re write the narrative to fit that, even if it just isn't so.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
And you know this just because Russia said they did? I know, I know, if it discredits Obama you'll suck on like a hungry piglet on his momma's teat.
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Well then, why isn't the MSM asking any questions about Russia's claim? And why isn't the administration discrediting the claim?
 
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Montecresto said:
Oh no, the US is perfectly legit in attacking and invading sovereign countries to project and protect our interests. That's other countries that are forbidden from such.
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Unless you think that we do this, if we did this in the manner which you misrepresent, that there were no repercussions then you'd have a point. But at the same time, that you would even compare Putin's motivations to that of the US is laughable, and a rouse to cover that you support Russia doing this, as you condemn the US for similar prior actions. The difference between the two? We don't 'annex' anyone, and claim them as US additions.
 
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j-mac said:
Well then, why isn't the MSM asking any questions about Russia's claim? And why isn't the administration discrediting the claim?
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MSM, you're kidding right?



And in the Arab world? Al Jazeera is king, and Clinton says she can see why.
“Al Jazeera has been the leader in that are literally changing people’s minds and attitudes. And like it or hate it, it is really effective,” she said.
“In fact viewership of al Jazeera is going up in the United States because it’s real news. You may not agree with it, but you feel like you’re getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads and the kind of stuff that we do on our news which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners,” she added.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...zeera-is-real-news-us-losing-information-war/
 
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j-mac said:
Unless you think that we do this, if we did this in the manner which you misrepresent, that there were no repercussions then you'd have a point. But at the same time, that you would even compare Putin's motivations to that of the US is laughable, and a rouse to cover that you support Russia doing this, as you condemn the US for similar prior actions. The difference between the two? We don't 'annex' anyone, and claim them as US additions.
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I need no rouse to cover my support of Russia's policing action in response of the West's support for toppling the elected government of the Ukraine, and instantly recognising an UNELECTED pro west government. Where have you been.
 
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Montecresto said:
MSM, you're kidding right?



And in the Arab world? Al Jazeera is king, and Clinton says she can see why.
“Al Jazeera has been the leader in that are literally changing people’s minds and attitudes. And like it or hate it, it is really effective,” she said.
“In fact viewership of al Jazeera is going up in the United States because it’s real news. You may not agree with it, but you feel like you’re getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads and the kind of stuff that we do on our news which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners,” she added.

Sec. of State Hillary Clinton: Al Jazeera is ‘Real News’, U.S. Losing ‘Information War’ - ABC News
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Who cares what they think about it in the Arab world? Is this an Arab problem? Fail.
 
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Montecresto said:
I need no rouse to cover my support of Russia's policing action in response of the West's support for toppling the elected government of the Ukraine, and instantly recognising an UNELECTED pro west government. Where have you been.
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Oh, I see....10,000 troops from the US in Afghanistan is imperialistic, but, 20,000 inside Crimea, and 80,000 more massed on the borders is a police action when it is 'Mother Russia' eh comrade?
 
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j-mac said:
Who cares what they think about it in the Arab world? Is this an Arab problem? Fail.
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Who cares what the Arab world thinks about what? This is a general statement, Clinton made when testifying before a congressional committee, that MSM is fluff and no substance, if you want "real news" your obliged to listen to and watch Al Jazeera. Your fail.
 
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