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Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group[W:157]

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Here come the apologists, guess he inherited the problem. It's Bush's fault. :roll:
If a drown gets shot down how is that Obama's fault? Why dont you explain.??...??...
 
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Drone gets shot down=obama's fault? :roll:

You don't need to shoot down UAV's aka drones. All you have to do is jam the frequencies that are controlling the UAV. It's called electronic warfare. (EW) Nothing new, it's been around since WW ll jamming radars.

As the drone activist are learning from those who been around a lot longer, UAV's can only be used when you already have 100% air superiority over the land or sea that UAV's will be used. It takes manned aircraft to achieve air superiority like the F-22 Raptor that Obama killed.

>" UAVs were an ideal solution for an environment like Afghanistan or Iraq where the military wanted the ability to follow a target from house to house to roadside, or perhaps loiter over a key area where insurgents might be gathering. “From a tactical perspective in actually fighting ground operations, UAVs were extremely powerful and they met that niche,” Schwoppe observed. “We had the luxury to do that because we totally controlled the airspace over Iraq and Afghanistan and you know we won’t have that same luxury in other areas.”..."<

Drone Warfare Is Why We Can't Find Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 - Defense One
 
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ALL governments are corrupt. I'm satisfied that surprises you.
No, not all governments are corrupt howver, when they are, we should do more than simply say 'all governbments are corrupt', as though that was something insightful.

Anyway, you can't steal a car in February and pay for it in May.
Is that a Russian expression?
 
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If a drown gets shot down how is that Obama's fault? Why dont you explain.??...??...

Well Obama is the Commander-In-Chief - you know what that means?
 
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No, not all governments are corrupt howver, when they are, we should do more than simply say 'all governbments are corrupt', as though that was something insightful.

Is that a Russian expression?

IMO, there is always corruption in every government.... 30% of politicians (IMO) even in a alleged clean government are corrupt in one way or another......

Funny how people judge lawyers and their ethics yet 90% of politicians are lawyers....

Politics and politicians are generally dirty.
 
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Well Obama is the Commander-In-Chief - you know what that means?

So when literally anything goes wrong its still "Obama's fault". Man the right has moved to pathetic circumstances.
 
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So when literally anything goes wrong its still "Obama's fault". Man the right has moved to pathetic circumstances.

Well considering Obama has already stated he has no interest in the opinion of Congress (only the Senate) and that the United States has not used Congress to declare war on any nation since Korea - YES as a matter of fact it is on the president - especially when the president has not asked congress to fund any military action......

Yes it is ALL OBAMA in this case. He is after all the head of the military, and he's the one giving the orders or allowing his generals to make their own decisions through his liberalism with them.
 
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Well considering Obama has already stated he has no interest in the opinion of Congress (only the Senate) and that the United States has not used Congress to declare war on any nation since Korea - YES as a matter of fact it is on the president - especially when the president has not asked congress to fund any military action......

Yes it is ALL OBAMA in this case. He is after all the head of the military, and he's the one giving the orders or allowing his generals to make their own decisions through his liberalism with them.

Isnt it remarkable the passes these leftists give to Obama? As if this isnt entirely his administration. :doh
 
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Isnt it remarkable the passes these leftists give to Obama? As if this isnt entirely his administration. :doh

I think it's remarkable they don't even understand how government works yet they're so pro government - makes no damn sense and it's highly ironic.

But yeah it is funny how they claim Obama was behind the assassination of OBL (as if he personally shot the terrorist scum), but if a drone is shot down he had nothing to do with it.
 
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Well considering Obama has already stated he has no interest in the opinion of Congress (only the Senate)
Really he did? Are you talking about executive actions? Because Obama is pretty low on the modern totem poll when it comes to the use of that power..

and that the United States has not used Congress to declare war on any nation since Korea - YES as a matter of fact it is on the president - especially when the president has not asked congress to fund any military action......
War powers resolution is Obama's fault? I mean has an POTUS since Nixon even challenged this? Or offered to repeal it? Im all in favor of repealing it, but seriously?


Yes it is ALL OBAMA in this case. He is after all the head of the military, and he's the one giving the orders or allowing his generals to make their own decisions through his liberalism with them.
So still... Everything is Obama's fault card..
 
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Really he did? Are you talking about executive actions? Because Obama is pretty low on the modern totem poll when it comes to the use of that power..


War powers resolution is Obama's fault? I mean has an POTUS since Nixon even challenged this? Or offered to repeal it? Im all in favor of repealing it, but seriously?



So still... Everything is Obama's fault card..

Well considering he is solely using those powers and not consulting anyone - absolutely it's his fault.

It's not exactly like these are democratic decisions being made.

When he does whatever the **** he wants like he stated he was going to do then it is his fault.

Oh and BTW, only an asshole tyrant would go tell 535 (435 House and 100 Senate) representatives to "piss off" - who the **** does Obama think he is Caligula?
 
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Well considering he is solely using those powers and not consulting anyone - absolutely it's his fault.

It's not exactly like these are democratic decisions being made.

When he does whatever the **** he wants like he stated he was going to do then it is his fault.
So you disagree with the constitutional action of executive orders?
Better start hating on everyone
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James Madison
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1
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3 unnumbered

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12
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Martin van Buren
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10 unnumbered

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0
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17 unnumbered

James K. Polk Total
18
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35
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92
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143
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140 unnumbered

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Warren G. Harding Total
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907
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II 403 10030 - 10431

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I 266 10432 - 10695-A
II 218 10696 - 10913

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Lyndon B. Johnson
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325
11128 - 11451

Richard Nixon Total 346 11452 - 11797
I 247 11452 - 11698
II 99 11699 - 11797

Gerald R. Ford
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169
11798 - 11966

Jimmy Carter Total 320 11967 - 12286

Ronald Reagan
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381
12287 - 12667
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II 168 12500 - 12667

George Bush Total 166 12668 - 12833

William J. Clinton
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364 12834 - 13197
I 200 12834 - 13033
II 164 13034 - 13197

George W. Bush Total
291
13198 - 13488
I 173 13198 - 13370
II 118 13371 - 13488

Barack Obama
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168 13489 - 13656...
I 147 13489 - 13635
II 21 13636 - 13656...
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

When he does whatever the **** he wants like he stated he was going to do then it is his fault.
I was sooo upset in 1789!!!
I was soo upset!
LEARN WHAT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AFFECT!
Oh and BTW, only an asshole would go tell 535 (435 House and 100 Senate) representatives to "piss off" - who the **** does Obama think he is Caligula?
Apparently some of our founding fathers....
 
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I think it's remarkable they don't even understand how government works yet they're so pro government - makes no damn sense and it's highly ironic.

But yeah it is funny how they claim Obama was behind the assassination of OBL (as if he personally shot the terrorist scum), but if a drone is shot down he had nothing to do with it.

Its selective logic. And they demonstrate it daily.
 
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Well considering he is solely using those powers and not consulting anyone - absolutely it's his fault.

It's not exactly like these are democratic decisions being made.

When he does whatever the **** he wants like he stated he was going to do then it is his fault.

Oh and BTW, only an asshole tyrant would go tell 535 (435 House and 100 Senate) representatives to "piss off" - who the **** does Obama think he is Caligula?

They are pocket dictators, almost to a man.
 
Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

So you disagree with the constitutional action of executive orders?
Better start hating on everyone

Executive Orders


I was sooo upset in 1789!!!
I was soo upset!
LEARN WHAT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AFFECT!

Apparently some of our founding fathers....

As a libertarian I actually do disagree with executive orders.
 
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As a libertarian I actually do disagree with executive orders.

Well your one of the few libertarians who is actually a true libertarian/microtarian. I congratulate you for actually being true to your beliefs.
 
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They are pocket dictators, almost to a man.

They wish they were dictators - they're no better than Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao (I could go on forever).... They have no respect for individual liberties.

It's scary to think in the United States we have 100-150 million collectivists with their own vision of what a utopia is, while real patriots only have one and that is dictated by the Bill of Rights and Constitution. That is what separates patriots from the progressive collectivist socialists.

Furthermore, they've tried their collectivist utopia several times and it has not lasted more than 70 years, while the US Constitution and Bill of Rights has been standing for the last 250 years, not to mention the Magna Carta which has stood as a prerequisite to our founding documents for 700 years.

I'm sure what I just posted was never covered in any of these collectivists history classes.
 
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Well your one of the few libertarians who is actually a true libertarian/microtarian. I congratulate you for actually being true to your beliefs.

Thank you for that.

Now why don't you join the club?
 
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Thank you for that.

Now why don't you join the club?

Because im not a "pure libertarian" and its justified by the Constitution. War Powers Resolution on the other hand im purely against.
 
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Because im not a "pure libertarian" and its justified by the Constitution. War Powers Resolution on the other hand im purely against.

War powers are strictly for the defense of the United States, and only existed due to limited communication. These days war powers are moot, because communication is not a problem.

War powers weren't even meant to aggressively attack a nation, they were meant to summon an army/navy for self defense.

Some presidents just got a bit to "liberal" with their new found power(s) - and that was wrong.

And it wasn't Nixon - it was FDR, JFK, LBJ, George Bush, Obama (I could go through the list).......
 
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War powers are strictly for the defense of the United States, and only existed due to limited communication. These days war powers are moot, because communication is not a problem.
See thing is "defense" is very very very narrow.

War powers weren't even meant to aggressively attack a nation, they were meant to summon an army/navy for self defense.

But then again we passed it during the vietnam war....

[QUOTE[Some presidents just got a bit to "liberal" with their new found power(s) - and that was wrong.

And it wasn't Nixon - it was FDR, JFK, LBJ, George Bush, Obama (I could go through the list).......[/QUOTE]

War powers resolution was passed during the Nixon years...
 
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See thing is "defense" is very very very narrow.



But then again we passed it during the vietnam war....

[QUOTE[Some presidents just got a bit to "liberal" with their new found power(s) - and that was wrong.

And it wasn't Nixon - it was FDR, JFK, LBJ, George Bush, Obama (I could go through the list).......

War powers resolution was passed during the Nixon years...[/QUOTE]

You do realize what year Nixon was elected president do you?

Our first troops went in to Nam in 1955 under Eisenhower and we didn't leave Nam until the fall of Saigon in 1975?

So Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ THEN NIXION in 1969..... Yeah a full 14-years after we went into Nam.

Lets also not forget it was JFK who really escalated Nam, then LBJ took it into full swing.

You're wrong about a lot of other things but lets start with this.
 
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They wish they were dictators - they're no better than Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao (I could go on forever).... They have no respect for individual liberties.

It's scary to think in the United States we have 100-150 million collectivists with their own vision of what a utopia is, while real patriots only have one and that is dictated by the Bill of Rights and Constitution. That is what separates patriots from the progressive collectivist socialists.

Furthermore, they've tried their collectivist utopia several times and it has not lasted more than 70 years, while the US Constitution and Bill of Rights has been standing for the last 250 years, not to mention the Magna Carta which has stood as a prerequisite to our founding documents for 700 years.

I'm sure what I just posted was never covered in any of these collectivists history classes.

Damn straight. And dont forget the deaths of 100 million plus people, plus those who had to die to fight them. They always think they are one law away from utopia.

Estimated number of victims[edit]
In the introduction, editor Stéphane Courtois states that "...Communist regimes... turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government"[3]. He claims that a death toll totals 94 million[4]. The breakdown of the number of deaths given by Courtois is as follows:

65 million in the People's Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America (mainly Cuba)
10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power."[4]
Courtois claims that Communist regimes are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement, including Nazism. The statistics of victims includes executions, famine, deaths resulting from deportations, physical confinement, or through forced labor.
The Black Book of Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Damn straight. And dont forget the deaths of 100 million plus people, plus those who had to die to fight them. They always think they are one law away from utopia.

Way more than 100 million.

6 million for Hitler
40-60 million for Stalin
40 million for Mao
3 million for Pol Pot (half the population)
Who knows for Vietnam or the rest of the "USSR" after the wars..
Of course you have Che Guevara and his killer rampage death squads..

Over 70 years it's possible it's close to 250,000,000 IMO due to famine, purges or executions etc due to communism..

It is very depressing to think about...

Pol Pot was evil - the worst of them all.
 
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