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Beer makers drop out of St. Patrick's Parades that Ban Openly Gay Marchers.....

Two major beer manufacturers on Friday dropped sponsorship of St. Patrick's Day parades in New York City and Boston to protest bans on gays marching openly.

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Sam Adams pulled out of Boston's parade, which takes place on Sunday, and Heineken yanked its support of the New York City parade, slated for Monday. Both parades are allowing gay groups to march but are banning signage about sexual orientation.

Gay rights activists praised Heineken's decision.

"Heineken sent the right message to LGBT youth, customers and employees who simply want to be part of the celebration," Sarah Kate Ellis, president of gay rights group GLAAD, said in a statement.

A Heineken representative told CNBC on Friday: "We believe in equality for all. We are no longer a sponsor of Monday's parade."

In February, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that he would not be marching in this year's parade in support of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. Boston Mayor Martin Walsh has vowed not to attend the parade unless LGBT groups are allowed to march openly.....snip~

Beer makers drop out of St. Patrick's parades that ban openly gay marchers

Seems all it took.....was a Facebook Page of Bars saying they would no longer Serve Sam Adams beer if they didn't pull their support for this St Patty's Day Parade. What are your thoughts upon the matter? Right thing to do or not?

Sam Adams and Heineken suck. They should pull out of the beer making business. That assessment has nothing to do with their current actions here. It's just that they have always sucked and should stop making "beer".
 
You do realize there is a difference between illegal and wrong, don't you? It used to be legal to own slaves but it was also wrong. Do you need a longer list or are you catching on?

Are you catching on.. to the fact it's a privately ran parade which is paid for by an organization who can choose who marches and how they march? ;)
 

1: Honestly, don't care what the Supreme Court says on the matter. The question posed was if I thought it was right or not. So their decisions are irrelevent.

2: The case you quoted was about the state trying to make private organizations that organize a public demonstration to impart a message that the organizers do not want.

Addressing the specific issues of the case, the Court found that private citizens organizing a public demonstration may not be compelled by the state to include groups who impart a message the organizers do not want to be presented by their demonstration, even if the intent of the state was to prevent discrimination.

IE: Apples and oranges.
 
Where did I say that? All I said was they aren't doing it for noble reasons but one of saving their bottom line. Heineken isn't even a major player in the US market.

That would be the free market economics part. They're doing it to follow their financial interests.
 
What difference does it make? Most of the time, when we're acting, for one reason or another we're acting in our own self-interest.

Of course.. which is why I said from the start this wasn't "heroic".

Further, how do you claim to know the workings of others' minds? Judge the end result. Trying to ascribe motives is often like pissing in the wind.

When Heineken just posted a 53% net profit decrease from last year, trying to earn brownie points is the only motive. Sam Adams motive is more clear then anything else. They rely on local bars/pubs selling their product as their beer is a acquired taste.
 
Are you catching on.. to the fact it's a privately ran parade which is paid for by an organization who can choose who marches and how they march? ;)

No it's not a privately run parade, it's a city parade. If I'm wrong please tell me the private agency that organized it.
 
That would be the free market economics part. They're doing it to follow their financial interests.

And I nowhere did I say it was stupid that they did that.. rather the "outrage" by others was stupid.
 
Yes, the parades should be changed to be political so every political party, politician and political group from the KKK to the Tea Party to the Hillsboro Baptist Church, neo-Nazi and militia groups, gun rights activists, and of course Republican, Democrat, Green and Libertarian parties and candidates should be allowed to march in the parade.

Really, children hate fun parades. They want to watch social and political activism.

In short, of course they should not allow political groups to use the parade.
 
And I nowhere did I say it was stupid that they did that.. rather the "outrage" by others was stupid.

"Libertarian" deems to tell people what they should or should not care about.
 
No it's not a privately run parade, it's a city parade. If I'm wrong please tell me the private agency that organized it.

Ancient Order of Hibernians runs the NYC parade and the Allied War Veterans Council of South Boston runs the Boston parade.
 
Yes, the parades should be changed to be political so every political party, politician and political group from the KKK to the Tea Party to the Hillsboro Baptist Church, neo-Nazi and militia groups, gun rights activists, and of course Republican, Democrat, Green and Libertarian parties and candidates should be allowed to march in the parade.

Really, children hate fun parades. They want to watch social and political activism.

In short, of course they should not allow political groups to use the parade.

I thought the same thing. No signage.
 
"Libertarian" deems to tell people what they should or should not care about.

I didn't deem ****. I gave my opinion. Is a Libertarian not allowed to give an opinion Deuce?
 
I didn't deem ****. I gave my opinion. Is a Libertarian not allowed to give an opinion Deuce?

You said they were stupid for caring about something you don't care about. A libertarian generally wouldn't call that stupid. So I thought it was odd.
 
"Libertarian" deems to tell people what they should or should not care about.

Sort of like "Undisclosed" deems to pitch for Obama defense at every turn? Pot meet kettle; those who live in glass houses... yadda yadda yadda.
 
1: Honestly, don't care what the Supreme Court says on the matter. The question posed was if I thought it was right or not. So their decisions are irrelevent.

2: The case you quoted was about the state trying to make private organizations that organize a public demonstration to impart a message that the organizers do not want.

IE: Apples and oranges.

Actually not apples and oranges. It's actually why Gays aren't allowed to march with "signage" in the St. Patrick's day parade because the State can't force AoH or any other organizer to do so. Another fun fact.. that cases was specifically about the Boston St. Patrick's Day parade. ;)
 
mmmmmmmm Beer!
 
I also find it ironic people are up in arms about the policies in NYC and Boston. The holiday is St. Patrick's Day, a catholic holiday. It's religious in nature and will always be.

It may have started out as a religious thing, but it's expanded to be a cultural thing too. The Catholic church is miles away from having a corner on the holiday.
 
You said they were stupid for caring about something you don't care about. A libertarian generally wouldn't call that stupid. So I thought it was odd.

Yes, I feel they are STUPID for caring about it. It's meaningless crap they've been bitching and moaning about for the last 22 years. in the grand scheme of things, it's stupid. They could be fighting for Federal gay marriage instead of picking fights with Catholic organizers out of spite.
 
Sam Adams and Heineken suck. They should pull out of the beer making business. That assessment has nothing to do with their current actions here. It's just that they have always sucked and should stop making "beer".

Heineken yeah, but Sam Adams is awesome!

And Sam Adams do make real beer, they don't use any rice or corn.
 
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I think it's pretty stupid. Sam Adams and Heineken aren't doing anything brave, just protecting their bottom line. If they did this 10 years ago, good on them. But it was only under threat and threat for a company like Heineken who's fighting to keep market share in the US..

I also find it ironic people are up in arms about the policies in NYC and Boston. The holiday is St. Patrick's Day, a catholic holiday. It's religious in nature and will always be.

I'd hardly call St. Patrick's Day a catholic holiday. Not in the last 50 years at least. It's more of a drinking holiday.
 
I'd hardly call St. Patrick's Day a catholic holiday. Not in the last 50 years at least. It's more of a drinking holiday.

Arent they all?
 
It may have started out as a religious thing, but it's expanded to be a cultural thing too. The Catholic church is miles away from having a corner on the holiday.

Yes, it is culture related but culture related movement came due to WASP mentality in the US... so Irish Nationalism came apart of St. Patrick's Day. Catholic Church has always been miles away from the holiday. They treat the holiday as an Irish thing and let the Irish "have fun". That's always been the Church's policy.
 
I'm curious then if all of the persons in the parade are restricted from using banners or whatever to suggest who they are. I've often seen marching bands with their colors and school banners, and the VFW, and sports teams.... Why shouldn't this group be able to have their banners and signage?

This isn't about restricting people because of sexual orientation. It is about restricting activism. Gays can be part of the parade, their activist banners for LGBT or GLENN can not. The same rules in the past toward pro-life and pro-choice groups have been upheld. Everyone is welcome as long as you are willing to go along with the rules.
 
I'd hardly call St. Patrick's Day a catholic holiday. Not in the last 50 years at least. It's more of a drinking holiday.

Because of the bastardization of it by WASP? :2wave:


Kidding aside... it's still a Catholic Holiday.. if St. Patrick's Day wasn't a feast day.. Irish Catholics wouldn't drinking on that day per Lent rules. See the catch? ;)
 
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