I have NO doubt there is a rather long list of things you don't understand so I'll do my best to explain where your faulty observations lead you down false argument trails.
lol are we going to be rude? Fun, I like that better.
I NEVER said I like what the Russians are doing :roll:
No one ever said or implied you did. What a horribly "faulty observation", that led you down a "false argument trail". Weird that you even came to that, but try to focus, I don't have time to be a teacher.
I AM saying we shouldn't act all shocked and outraged that 'decent' nations don't act in this way when we have a LONG list of just such actions. :doh
Who the **** is "we"? Are you talking about Americans or the American government. Please define your terms, otherwise you're wasting everyone's time.
Russian national interest is VERY clear-
Is it? That's impressive that you're so able to readily define national interests, usually that's, ya know, a full time job.
Crimea was never part of the Ukraine until arbitrarily attached in the mid 1950's by a defunct organization. It has been 'Russian' since the 1783. The Ukraine on the other hand was still being kicked around like a football between various nations.
Why are you telling me this? Do you think I didn't know? Do you think it has anything to do with what I said?
Crimea has very important military facilities- we still hold Gitmo for whatever silly reason past a poke in Fidel's eye. We hung onto Subic bay long past any military need- and lets NOT consider the dozens of bases in Japan and other places that serve little if any real purpose other than to tie up personnel and drain the treasury. But the Crimean bases ARE important and serve a true purpose.
Crimea is 58% Russian, 24% Ukrainian- over here that would be a landslide vote
...what is this? Why did you just tell me something I've known for years? What does this have to do with what I said? Can you focus?
Now what the USofA is doing is attempting to continue a flawed policy of close containment- it doesn't serve US interests to push a confrontation on Russia's border, the Cuban Missile Crisis should have been a cautionary tale. The Ukraine has far more benefited from a close association with Russia than with the West. It had a President theif who was leaning Russian and now they want a President thug leaning to the West- but unless the West is willing to pay Russia to keep the natural gas flowing to the Ukrainians it makes little sense to 'break away'.
What on earth does this have to do with what I said? I don't understand how people who think they're intelligent can pretend that they don't understand a nation acting in its self-interest. It's in the US' self-interest to support when the US does an action and vilify when a country the US doesn't like does the very same action. Because the US- like any other nation- acts in its self-interest. Not according to some objective rules about what's right or not. What's "right" to any given nation is what supports its self-interest.
Is it in the USofA's interest to put our money into Russian thug pockets OR have the Russian thugs short change their profits to keep the Ukraine in their sphere of influence? What possible gain does the USofA get from the Ukraine?
Stop talking about this to me. It's not the subject of what I posted. The subject is how you seem to not understand that the US will support things you don't like if it furthers US interests. It will oppose the same thing if it is against US interests. You apparently
don't get that, since you mentioned the things you did. You don't understand it.
THAT is the issue, not who likes touchdowns.... :roll:
I really don't think you even understand what I was saying. Clearly. No one asked for a history lesson on Ukraine. You didn't tell me anything I didn't know. Not sure why you told me- did you just want to type something this morning? Focus or stop replying.
