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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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You can call it "baggage" if you want. I just refuse to let some skirt trample on me or my rights.

I, like you, may not know all the details, but I know this - if she did this to me, she better be prepared for me to sign my rights over then and there. It'll also make her happy, because she'll be able to tell lies and smear the guy, making him look responsible.

I could say something, but I'm going to refrain and just say that your own personal experiences with women do not apply to ALL women. You have no idea what kind of people either of these people are; she could have VERY GOOD reasons for wanting him out of the room, and even if she doesn't, if you cared at ALL about your unborn child, you want this transition to be as easy on your baby as possible and not try to make things MORE difficult and add to the drama.

IMO, that is all part of being a MAN and taking responsibility. REgardless of HER behavior, YOU do what is best for the child.
 
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You can call it "baggage" if you want. I just refuse to let some skirt trample on me or my rights.

I, like you, may not know all the details, but I know this - if she did this to me, she better be prepared for me to sign my rights over then and there. It'll also make her happy, because she'll be able to tell lies and smear the guy, making him look responsible.

You should take tips from Gathomas. He might be much younger than you, but he seems to have a MUCH better understanding of women and an important situation such as this than you do. ;)
 
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That's why hospitals that offer birthing rooms are good. They are much less "sterile" looking and more comfortable. Keep in mind though that a LOT of women would much rather have their child in a hospital setting. I know that I would. If anything goes wrong, I want to have everything and everyone needed and available to get the BEST care possible.

Of course. Frankly, many more modern hospitals have been trying to make things better in this regard anyway.

A lot of them even offer water birthing facilities and mid wife care these days.

I simply think that a lot of people in this thread are picturing the "classical" hospital environment when they talk about childbirth, and figuring to themselves that, since the environment is so horrible anyway, there's little a hostile father's presence could do to make that worse.

They don't realize that childbirth doesn't necessarily have to be that way in the first place.
 
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I love the double standard.

There is NO double standard. That is what a decent adult person does PERIOD. They would think about what is best for the health of the child, regardless of how the "other" one behaves.
 
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Right, but I don't think the judge was looking at from a "moral" perspective, rather what is in the best medical interests of mother and child.

To be certain.

The legal aspect was a no brainer.

The moral aspect depends on the father actually seeing beyond his ego and looking out for the best physical best interest of mother and child.
 
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To be certain.

The legal aspect was a no brainer.

The moral aspect depends on the father actually seeing beyond his ego and looking out for the best physical best interest of mother and child.

Mmm, yeah, some people just don't seem to understand how stress can play a role in ANY medical procedure.
 
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I love the double standard.

What double standard? When he gets pregnant and goes into labor, he can exclude the other parent if he choses.

Solved.
 
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What double standard? When he gets pregnant and goes into labor, he can exclude the other parent if he choses.

Solved.

Actually I prefer to see her banned from other significant events in the child's life. Maybe sneak to her house and slash all four tires an hour before the child walks for graduation.
 
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Actually I prefer to see her banned from other significant events in the child's life. Maybe sneak to her house and slash all four tires an hour before the child walks for graduation.

Gipper, your childish responses avoid the obvious.

If they share custody, each will miss many important milestones in the childs life.

FIrst steps

First words.

First **** in the toilet.

They each will have to get over it.

Hopefully, they will both take a deep breath and stay out of court.

If the lawyer had his best interests in mind, he would have told his client to pick his battles - not this one.
 
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Gipper, your childish responses avoid the obvious.

If they share custody, each will miss many important milestones in the childs life.

FIrst steps

First words.

First **** in the toilet.

They each will have to get over it.

Hopefully, they will both take a deep breath and stay out of court.

If the lawyer had his best interests in mind, he would have told his client to pick his battles - not this one.

If a mother missed a milestone, she would lose her mind. You're all a hyper-emotional, jumbled mess...evidenced by this court case. "I don't want him to be here for this event because I don't like him."
 
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If a mother missed a milestone, she would lose her mind. You're all a hyper-emotional, jumbled mess...evidenced by this court case. "I don't want him to be here for this event because I don't like him."

Absolutely NOT. You are the one being emotional here. Regardless of her reasons, his presence there would obviously BOTHER her. That is all that matters. I don't know why you cannot understand the medical implications of that during childbirth. Go watch a video of a live natural childbirth.
 
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Absolutely NOT. You are the one being emotional here. Regardless of her reasons, his presence there would obviously BOTHER her. That is all that matters. I don't know why you cannot understand the medical implications of that during childbirth. Go watch a video of a live natural childbirth.

Pass. I wouldn't want to be there. But that's me.
 
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Pass. I wouldn't want to be there. But that's me.

That is irrelevant. The point is no one can force their way, against a person's will, to be present at any medical procedure without that person's consent. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Mother, father, SO, husband, daughter, son, it doesn't matter. If you wish to be ALONE during your medical procedure, that is YOUR decision alone to make, and nobody should be able to observe you during such against YOUR will.
 
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If a mother missed a milestone, she would lose her mind. You're all a hyper-emotional, jumbled mess...evidenced by this court case. "I don't want him to be here for this event because I don't like him."

I missed the birth of my own child.

I had complications they pushed dad out of the room, put me under and C-section done.

We both got over it.

Gipper, when you grow up, you will realized that missing moments happen. You can be sad that you missed them, that is natural. But you suck it in and realize being a parent is about a bigger picture. I cannot even conceive of the picture you are painting - it seems more than immature notion.

Anger and going ballistic about missing milestones is just a plain old egocentric idea. I know of no mother who "goes ballistic" over such things. And for the record, in real life, I know of no father who has either. I am not sure what world you live in to have such experiences.
 
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That is irrelevant. The point is no one can force their way, against a person's will, to be present at any medical procedure without that person's consent. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Mother, father, SO, husband, daughter, son, it doesn't matter. If you wish to be ALONE during your medical procedure, that is YOUR decision alone to make, and nobody should be able to observe you during such against YOUR will.

Not trying to stir the pot or anything, but is this in fact "her" medical procedure? I would say that it is as much the mother's medical procedure as the baby's.
 
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I missed the birth of my own child.

I had complications they pushed dad out of the room, put me under and C-section done.

We both got over it.

Gipper, when you grow up, you will realized that missing moments happen. You can be sad that you missed them, that is natural. But you suck it in and realize being a parent is about a bigger picture. I cannot even conceive of the picture you are painting - it seems more than immature notion.

Anger and going ballistic about missing milestones is just a plain old egocentric idea. I know of no mother who "goes ballistic" over such things. And for the record, in real life, I know of no father who has either. I am not sure what world you live in to have such experiences.

Slight difference between "medical emergency" and "she's being a bitch".
 
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Twice in one page a rational point is made and the response is grow up. Well played.
 
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Slight difference between "medical emergency" and "she's being a bitch".

That is not the point. The point is that a milestone was missed, and we all got over it.
 
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Twice in one page a rational point is made and the response is grow up. Well played.

Which specific rational response?
 
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When you have to deal with something you HAVE to handle it. Women don't have to handle it since they have pain meds.

How would a simulator for labor be accurate when put on a man anyway? Don't answer that.

Good point. It's probably not nearly as painful as the real deal, which reinforces my point about men not being able to handle it.

BTW, there are lots of women who do natural childbirth with no pain meds.
 
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wah. I've been stabbed, shot, tazed, etc, etc, etc. spare me the lame crappola about how horrible the pain of childbirth is.

Spoken truly like someone who can never experience it.....

I'll remember this the next time men are whining about being kicked in the balls....
 
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When you have to deal with something you HAVE to handle it. Women don't have to handle it since they have pain meds.
How would a simulator for labor be accurate when put on a man anyway? Don't answer that.

He thinks pain meds during labor means no pain.:lamo

Now that is funny. Thanks.:lamo
 
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Not trying to stir the pot or anything, but is this in fact "her" medical procedure? I would say that it is as much the mother's medical procedure as the baby's.

Who's body is it? There is the simple answer to your question.
 
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He thinks pain meds during labor means no pain.:lamo

Now that is funny. Thanks.:lamo

OMG! Too funny! :lamo
 
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