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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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So? My points stand.

I am honestly not trying to be offensive. Read what I said, if want to discuss further, then I'll see what I can do.
 
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Yes you did, right here:



Why are you asking me what you hope? I don't know, do you hope that? Stop asking stupid questions please.

Can't spell it out any clearer to you than I already have several times Jerry. Move on.
 
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The woman has all the rights, the man's only purpose is to donate sperm and write the checks. Welcome to America.
 
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NOTHING was taken out of context, you made a blanket illogical blanket statement that others destroyed. If that bothers you simply make better more accurate statments that dont fail.

Irony
 
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it's like I said, the father has little, if any, rights when it comes to a child he has helped create.

he has no "right" to decide if the fetus lives or is aborted
he has no "right" to be present during the birth
he has no "right" to contact with the child after its birth without the mother's permission

the only "right" he has is the right to write a check every month until the kid is 18, whether the mother ever lets him see it or not.

agree, disagree. like it or not. fair or not, that's just the way it is.

This is bull and shows that you don't know anything about child custody proceedings.

The bottom line here is it's NATURE. The woman has to take the risks, the man doesn't. PERIOD. Boo-hoo, LIFE is not fair.
 
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This is bull and shows that you don't know anything about child custody proceedings.

The bottom line here is it's NATURE. The woman has to take the risks, the man doesn't. PERIOD. Boo-hoo, LIFE is not fair.

the fact that there are child custody proceedings where the father must prove that the mother is unfit, shows it is not bull.

if the parents are not married, who automatically has the right to take the kid home from the hospital and who has to go to court to get visitation or custody?

once the child is born, the woman faces no more risk than the man, so why does she automatically get the kid?
 
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the fact that there are child custody proceedings where the father must prove that the mother is unfit, shows it is not bull.

if the parents are not married, who automatically has the right to take the kid home from the hospital and who has to go to court to get visitation or custody?

once the child is born, the woman faces no more risk than the man, so why does she automatically get the kid?

That is not true. There are plenty of instances where custody is shared. That is most often the case.
 
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That is not true. There are plenty of instances where custody is shared. That is most often the case.

only after the man goes to court and fights for it. if not, custody automatically goes to the female.

if the parents disagree on custody and they haven't been to court yet, if the mother takes the kid home from the hospital without the father's permission, she's just being a mother. If the father takes the kid home from the hosiptal without the mother's permission, he's a ****ing kidnapper.
 
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only after the man goes to court and fights for it. if not, custody automatically goes to the female.

if the parents disagree on custody and they haven't been to court yet, if the mother takes the kid home from the hospital without the father's permission, she's just being a mother. If the father takes the kid home from the hosiptal without the mother's permission, he's a ****ing kidnapper.

Of course, if the mother left the home and left the children with the father, and she didn't fight for them, custody would be awarded to the father. If either party leaves the state without permission with the children while custody is under dispute, they would face criminal charges. And of course, the father can't just take the infant from the hospital without the mother's permission. That's ridiculous to even suggest. The mother is the one who carried and birthed the baby. Sorry, but that is just how life is. You can throw as many temper tantrums that "it's not fair" all you want, but there are PLENTY of things that aren't fair. Get used to it.

When you have to carry a baby inside of your body, put your health at risk and deliver that baby out of your body, then you might have a case.
 
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Of course, if the mother left the home and left the children with the father, and she didn't fight for them, custody would be awarded to the father. If either party leaves the state without permission with the children while custody is under dispute, they would face criminal charges. And of course, the father can't just take the infant from the hospital without the mother's permission. That's ridiculous to even suggest. The mother is the one who carried and birthed the baby. Sorry, but that is just how life is. You can throw as many temper tantrums that "it's not fair" all you want, but there are PLENTY of things that aren't fair. Get used to it.

When you have to carry a baby inside of your body, put your health at risk and deliver that baby out of your body, then you might have a case.

I'd rather go through 18 hours of pain than 18 years of wallet-rape.
 
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I'd rather go through 18 hours of pain than 18 years of wallet-rape.

Oh, so you think mom makes NO sacrifices during those years? Just dad and his wallet? :roll: Good LORD! It's so obvious you have no experience with children at all.
 
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Oh, so you think mom makes NO sacrifices during those years? Just dad and his wallet? :roll: Good LORD! It's so obvious you have no experience with children at all.

Yeah, some sacrifice. She may miss 5 minutes of Young and the Restless to change a diaper.
 
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Yeah, some sacrifice. She may miss 5 minutes of Young and the Restless to change a diaper.

And again, you show that you have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you should refrain from making ignorant comments?
 
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And again, you show that you have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you should refrain from making ignorant comments?

I was being slightly facetious, but the meat of the argument is that I don't buy into the whole "housewives/mothers do the equivalent of 2 full-time jobs" spiel I've been hearing extensively.

Stay-at-home mothers are basically on welfare - just a different source of financing.
 
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I was being slightly facetious, but the meat of the argument is that I don't buy into the whole "housewives/mothers do the equivalent of 2 full-time jobs" spiel I've been hearing extensively.

Stay-at-home mothers are basically on welfare - just a different source of financing.

Most moms work too. You are right, housewives nowadays would probably not be doing the equivalent of work that they used to do because of modern conveniences, such as dishwashers and things, but taking care of children is not easy either. It can be very stressful, especially when they get older.

Honestly, I found taking care of my son as an infant to be really easy, but I was lucky, and he was a REALLY unusual baby in that he hardly ever cried and was always smiling and had an excellent demeanor. As children get older, it becomes MUCH more difficult, and they do not come with a handbook.
 
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Most moms work too. You are right, housewives nowadays would probably not be doing the equivalent of work that they used to do because of modern conveniences, such as dishwashers and things, but taking care of children is not easy either. It can be very stressful, especially when they get older.

Honestly, I found taking care of my son as an infant to be really easy, but I was lucky, and he was a REALLY unusual baby in that he hardly ever cried and was always smiling and had an excellent demeanor. As children get older, it becomes MUCH more difficult, and they do not come with a handbook.

The problem exists when most mothers "milk" it (no pun intended). They know that they have law, society, and public opinion right in the palm of their collective hands. They'd be fools not to indulge and keep the gravy train chugging the course as usual.

And they hate pennies like me, being thrown on the track in order to attempt a derail.
 
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The problem exists when most mothers "milk" it (no pun intended). They know that they have law, society, and public opinion right in the palm of their collective hands. They'd be fools not to indulge and keep the gravy train chugging the course as usual.

And they hate pennies like me, being thrown on the track in order to attempt a derail.

What do you mean by "milk" it? Women who have multiple children in order to collect social services? I would agree. Or a woman who spends the money she receives on herself instead of on her children's needs and lets the children go without? I would agree in that case too.
 
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What do you mean by "milk" it? Women who have multiple children in order to collect social services? I would agree. Or a woman who spends the money she receives on herself instead of on her children's needs and lets the children go without? I would agree in that case too.

Well yeah, those. However, I'm also talking about mothers who attempt to be "martyrs to the cause" and climb that soapbox on every possible occasion. I won't say that motherhood is easy, but when you're home all day and the husband has to come home and cook dinner, do dishes, take out trash, etc. you've pretty much dropped the ball.

And if you have 3, 5, 7 kids and can't handle them...well, that's your fault. It's not the guy's fault, since it's your body.
 
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Well yeah, those. However, I'm also talking about mothers who attempt to be "martyrs to the cause" and climb that soapbox on every possible occasion. I won't say that motherhood is easy, but when you're home all day and the husband has to come home and cook dinner, do dishes, take out trash, etc. you've pretty much dropped the ball.

And if you have 3, 5, 7 kids and can't handle them...well, that's your fault. It's not the guy's fault, since it's your body.

I don't know any woman who sit around all day and don't do anything. Even the stay-at-home moms take care of their homes and their children, the ones I know. I've seen and heard of welfare moms, but I don't know of any personally. MOST moms love their kids. Sorry to disappoint you, and it has NOTHING to do with you guys, other than contributing to the expenses of raising your children and being a man about it. YOU had sex too. YOU are well aware of the results, and you are just as responsible for your decision-making.
 
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I don't know any woman who sit around all day and don't do anything. Even the stay-at-home moms take care of their homes and their children, the ones I know. I've seen and heard of welfare moms, but I don't know of any personally. MOST moms love their kids. Sorry to disappoint you, and it has NOTHING to do with you guys, other than contributing to the expenses of raising your children and being a man about it. YOU had sex too. YOU are well aware of the results, and you are just as responsible for your decision-making.

Not me. I pull out.
 
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Stay-at-home mothers are basically on welfare - just a different source of financing.

I think that at a certain point it almost certainly gets to be that way.

I mean, if you've got a ten-year-old and a twelve-year-old at home and you're still a "stay at home mom", yeah, you're probably milking it.

But if we're talking about a two-year-old and a four-year-old?

I'll tell you dude, my wife occasionally gets sent away on business for a week or so and I get to stay home with my boys and play "Mr. Mom".

Two full-time jobs doesn't begin to describe the work load involved.

The work isn't always "hard", but it's constant.

From 0530 in the morning when the little one wakes up til the older one goes to bed at 2100 it's just non-stop, in-your-face kids.

If one's not hungry the other one is trying to feed dishwasher pods to the dog. If one isn't covered head-to-toe with finger paint (from trying to eat it) the other one jumped off his dresser, onto the bed, bounced off, and is now lying in a crying, moaning heap on the floor. If you're not fighting one to get him into the bath you're chasing the other one as he gleefully runs down the hall giggling with scissors in his hand. Even when they're both being good ad gold it's, "Dad, come and play with me", "Dad, watch this movie with me", "Dad, let's play a game/sing a song/go for a walk/hog tie Jacob/etc..."

I'll log on to work at night in order to relax after spending a protracted period of time with my kids.
 
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Not me. I pull out.

You are aware of pre-ejaculation? Not to be confused with "premature" ejaculation. ;) Women (especially during child-bearing years), it is speculated, can get pregnant from that, so "pulling out" is not always effective.

Can a woman get pregnant from pre-ejaculation? Pre-ejaculation is the liquid that seeps out of the penis before ejaculation occurs. This fluid is released from the cowpers gland, located at the top of the urethra. The purpose of this fluid is to reduce the acidity in the urethra and provide lubricant for the sperm that is released once ejaculation occurs. Most guys have no control over it and cannot feel it coming out. There is much conflicting data on whether this fluid contains sperm that can result in pregnancy. Some studies have concluded it does contain sperm and others have concluded it does not. Most sources do agree that without definitive confirmation, other precautions should still be taken to protect from pregnancy and STI transmission.
 
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You are aware of pre-ejaculation? Not to be confused with "premature" ejaculation. ;) Women (especially during child-bearing years), it is speculated, can get pregnant from that, so "pulling out" is not always effective.

I'm very careful.
 
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You can STDs that way too. BAD idea.

Can't knock up her mouth. Just saying.

Also eliminates the pre-jack issue...often with humorous side-effects.
 
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