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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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Gipper said:
If the woman is so emotionally unstable that she has to take this hardline stance, she doesn't have the mental acuity, nor the emotional stability to make such a decision. She's being a baby herself, allowing her weak, womanly emotions the power to punish the man.

It's a good lesson for men - a woman's vitriol and petty spite can be a tool against you at any time...and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

Attitudes like that make men splitting on knocked-up women almost justified.
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Somehow reading your post "TOOL" came immediately to mind.:lamo
 
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Cardinal said:
Just out of curiosity, how are you certain that it isn't the father who is in fact a complete jagoff?
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Anything is possible, but the fact that he was willing to go to court for the right to be there for the birth of his child is a positive sign...dontcha think?
 
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in the decision, believed to be the first of its kind, the father was also told he didn’t have a right to know when the baby was born.
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Ridiculous. That's taking things a little too far don't you think? What is so terrible about a father knowing when his child is born?
 
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Gipper said:
If the woman is so emotionally unstable that she has to take this hardline stance, she doesn't have the mental acuity, nor the emotional stability to make such a decision. She's being a baby herself, allowing her weak, womanly emotions the power to punish the man.

It's a good lesson for men - a woman's vitriol and petty spite can be a tool against you at any time...and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

Attitudes like that make men splitting on knocked-up women almost justified.
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Jesus dude, what the hell happened to you?
 
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DiAnna said:
You've made your feelings about women quite clear; no need to reiterate them. I will remember. Trust me on that.
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I hope you do. Some women need to be reminded that men exist to be more than footstools, emotional punching bags, and ATMs.
 
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Gipper said:
Anything is possible, but the fact that he was willing to go to court for the right to be there for the birth of his child is a positive sign...dontcha think?
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No, it is a sign that he is willing to invade the mothers privacy.

How much did it cost him to go to court to find out the blatantly obvious- that right to privacy is crucial and keeping a mother as calm and focused as possible during childbirth is a pretty smart idea - and a good thing for Junior as well.
 
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DiAnna said:
You've made your feelings about women quite clear; no need to reiterate them. I will remember. Trust me on that.
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I hope you do. Some women need to be reminded that men exist to be more than footstools, emotional punching bags, and ATMs.
 
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Gipper said:
Anything is possible, but the fact that he was willing to go to court for the right to be there for the birth of his child is a positive sign...dontcha think?
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Not necessarily. Maybe he's super passive aggressive, maybe he's manipulative, maybe this is just his way of making her life hell, maybe he's a great guy and she's the queen bitch and if you drove a stake through her heart all other bitches in the world would die. I don't know, because the story contains no facts about their life and their breakup.
 
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Serenity said:
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Ridiculous. That's taking things a little too far don't you think? What is so terrible about a father knowing when his child is born?
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IIRC, the father had originally sent legal documents to the hospital demanding that he be informed when his ex-girlfriend was admitted and in labor. The hospital refused, because they had neither the time nor the inclination to get involved in such notification procedures; when he took it to the judge, the judge agreed with the hospital.

Clearly he did know when she was admitted, because he sued her while she was in labor, demanding he be present in the delivery room. The judge said it was the patient's right to choose who could be in the delivery room, and who couldn't.

He saw the baby immediately after birth. The woman insists that she had always told him she would not deny him the right to see his child after it was born, and she didn't.
 
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opendebate said:
Jesus dude, what the hell happened to you?
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Crap like this happened to me. Men forfeit rights every day and nobody cares. We just shut up and take it.

If the roles were reversed and the mother was kept in the dark about an event as important like this, women would lose their minds.
 
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Gipper said:
I hope you do. Some women need to be reminded that men exist to be more than footstools, emotional punching bags, and ATMs.
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Indeed, and some men must enforce their superiority by requiring women to ask permission to speak, and if they wish to express opinions, they must ask which opinions are allowed. Got it.

Now I am so done with you that there are no words available to express the extent of my "done-ness".
 
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DiAnna said:
Indeed, and some men must enforce their superiority by requiring women to ask permission to speak, and if they wish to express opinions, they must ask which opinions are allowed. Got it.

Now I am so done with you that there are no words available to express the extent of my "done-ness".
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And you obviously didn't read the post that was in response to.

Oh wait - just a woman talking down to a man. Perfectly acceptable. Maybe I should've said "thank you ma'am, can I have another".
 
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Gipper said:
Crap like this happened to me. Men forfeit rights every day and nobody cares. We just shut up and take it.

If the roles were reversed and the mother was kept in the dark about an event as important like this, women would lose their minds.
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Women have sacrificed and been "kept in the dark" for generations. Women start to exert just a fraction of the control over issues such as this that men have dominated for centuries you have a ****ing hissy fit. Jesus Gip check your ****ing privilege.
 
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DiAnna said:
IIRC, the father had originally sent legal documents to the hospital demanding that he be informed when his ex-girlfriend was admitted and in labor. The hospital refused, because they had neither the time nor the inclination to get involved in such notification procedures; when he took it to the judge, the judge agreed with the hospital.

Clearly he did know when she was admitted, because he sued her while she was in labor, demanding he be present in the delivery room. The judge said it was the patient's right to choose who could be in the delivery room, and who couldn't.

He saw the baby immediately after birth. The woman insists that she had always told him she would not deny him the right to see his child after it was born, and she didn't.
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Jesus, I already feel sorry for this kid.
 
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Hatuey said:
Which means what? She's already denying him access to the child. If she's going to go that route, then he should be free to deny her any support as well. :shrug: You can't have it both ways.
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If the father is threatening not to pay child support before his child is even born, then I question how much he wanted the baby in the first place and so would a judge.
 
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DiAnna said:
IIRC, the father had originally sent legal documents to the hospital demanding that he be informed when his ex-girlfriend was admitted and in labor. The hospital refused, because they had neither the time nor the inclination to get involved in such notification procedures; when he took it to the judge, the judge agreed with the hospital.

Clearly he did know when she was admitted, because he sued her while she was in labor, demanding he be present in the delivery room. The judge said it was the patient's right to choose who could be in the delivery room, and who couldn't.

He saw the baby immediately after birth. The woman insists that she had always told him she would not deny him the right to see his child after it was born, and she didn't.
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I get all that Di. My personal thoughts are that whilst i can understand the Fathers distress at not being able to attend the birth of his child, the best interest of the child has to come first. In this instance the mental state of the Mother (which can contribute to the well being of the child during the birthing process) has to be a priority. There shouldn't be anyone in attendance that she is not ok with. After the birth and if the baby is ok then it's a different story.

My comment related to the judges ruling that also stated Fathers do not have a right to know when their baby was born. That's setting a precendence for all future Fathers, not just this incident. I don't support that.
 
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Gipper said:
And you obviously didn't read the post that was in response to.
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I not only read it, I wrote it. You were responding to me.

Oh wait - just a woman talking down to a man. Perfectly acceptable. Maybe I should've said "thank you ma'am, can I have another".
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Poor Gipper. You're just such a victim. :lol:
 
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DiAnna said:
A more detailed article about events leading up to this brouhaha, for those who are interested:

Fathers in the delivery room: New Jersey judge rules that a mother can block the father from attending their child’s birth.

And another:

NJ court ruling blocking newborn's dad from delivery room is first in nation | NJ.com
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Holy crap. Now the story is that he never asked to be in the delivery room. OOOPsies......:lamo
 
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year2late said:
Holy crap. Now the story is that he never asked to be in the delivery room. OOOPsies......:lamo
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I do believe the court documents and ultimate court decision disagrees. ;)
 
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roguenuke said:
So men are not donating their sperm to a woman? Because I'm pretty sure most of these guys aren't meaning to create a new person by having sex with those women.
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Seriously? When a new person is created the man gains parental rights. There is no "donation" taking place.
 
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opendebate said:
Women have sacrificed and been "kept in the dark" for generations. Women start to exert just a fraction of the control over issues such as this that men have dominated for centuries you have a ****ing hissy fit. Jesus Gip check your ****ing privilege.
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I will be sure to keep that in mind when I live for centuries. Until then perhaps it might of some use to realize that many of us aren't hundreds of years old and we don't remember a time when this **** didn't happen.
 
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Gipper said:
I hope you do. Some women need to be reminded that men exist to be more than footstools, emotional punching bags, and ATMs.
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Tell me, does this give you PTSD?

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Henrin said:
I will be sure to keep that in mind when I live for centuries. Until then perhaps it might of some use to realize that many of us aren't hundreds of years old and we don't remember a time when this **** didn't happen.
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Way to keep your eye on the ball dude.
 
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