New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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Cardinal said:

If she specifically made the choice for him not to be present then it would appear that was already her plan.

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She better not ask for child support. Have fun with that kid.

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Henrin said:

She better not ask for child support. Have fun with that kid bitch.

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That will be up to a judge, I suspect. As a judge was already needed in this case, I see little chance of them resolving their divorce without another one.

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Cardinal said:

That will be up to a judge, I suspect. As a judge was already needed in this case, I see little chance of them resolving their divorce without another one.

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The judge will of course force him to pay child support to and I imagine they will restrict his access to the kid to only weekends or maybe not at all. Loving it.

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Henrin said:

The judge will of course force him to pay child support to and I imagine they will restrict his access to the kid to only weekends or maybe not at all. Loving it.

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And so the earth turns...

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Cardinal said:

And so the earth turns...

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No doubt. Courts always rule in favor of the woman. Always.

I'm actually left wondering why the guy shows up. I will go about my day and you just rule in her favor. I fail to see why he has to be involved at all. Do what you will do, and stop pretending as if I matter to any of this.

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Henrin said:

No doubt. Courts always rule in favor of the woman. Always.

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I for one am not assuming who the court should rule in favor of seeing as all the article mentioned was that they were estranged and nothing more. Unless you're privy to information the rest of us are not?

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Peter King said:

But that bond has nothing to do with being in the delivery room against the mother's wishes.

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I'm sure that if I knew you better that we could talk about your deeply held values. Then I could tell you that your values are meaningless. Would my telling you that your values are meaningless actually make your values meaningless?

Would you, if you were in this man's shoes, have taken this issue to court? I'm guessing not because you probably don't think the issue is that important. Well, he took the issue to court, so he probably thinks it's pretty damn important to him.

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Cardinal said:

I for one am not assuming who the court should rule in favor of seeing as all the article mentioned was that they were estranged and nothing more. Unless you're privy to information the rest of us are not?

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Do you doubt what I'm saying is not only probable, but a guaranteed result? Why would you think that?

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year2late said:

And apparently that emotional need for a bond is more important than the health and welfare of the child.

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We know with absolute certainty that the man is extremely committed to his point of view. We can only rely on conjecture about what might transpire with respect to the mother's stress during delivery.

Certainty trumps conjecture.

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Henrin said:

No doubt. Courts always rule in favor of the woman. Always.

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as usual, factually false

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Henrin said:

Do you doubt what I'm saying is not only probable, but a guaranteed result? Why would you think that?

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You may or may not be right. I don't know the statistics for these things (I assume by "always" you exaggerated for dramatic effect). But from your tone and your posts in this thread you seem to have a very clear opinion about how the court should rule. Would I be wrong about that?

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AGENT J said:

as usual, factually false

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Name me a case. I can only think of cases where the woman was obviously dysfunctional in some way or another. Otherwise, the man has no reason to even show up.

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Cardinal said:

You may or may not be right. I don't know the statistics for these things (I assume by "always" you exaggerated for dramatic effect). But from your tone and your posts in this thread you seem to have a very clear opinion about how the court should rule. Would I be wrong about that?

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Yes, I exaggerated for effect, but even still, it's not much of an exaggeration.

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The OP was sort of a crap article (no offense Aunt Spiker). This one goes into much more detail on the privacy concerns and constitutional amendments that led to the judge's decision. For lulz, however, you really just can't beat the last bit of the article:

Mothers can block dads from delivery rooms, New Jersey judge rules | syracuse.com

Bruce Eden of Dads Against Discrimination told NJ.com that the ruling was "another example of New Jersey's anti-male discrimination in the family courts." Divorce and custody settlements give fathers financial obligations for child rearing but not the same rights as mothers and wives, he said,

"It takes two to tango," Eden said. "Why are they allowing only the mother?"

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:lol:

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Henrin said:

Yes, I exaggerated for effect, but even still, it's not much of an exaggeration.

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Well, unless you have some factual information that would lead me to take the father's side, you really can't expect me to share your indignation here.

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Henrin said:

Name me a case. I can only think of cases where the woman was obviously dysfunctional in some way or another. Otherwise, the man has no reason to even show up.

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did you just say "ALWAYS" and then proceed to admit you know of cases yourself that prove its not "always"?

thank you for proving your post wrong and facts right again

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Cardinal said:

Well, unless you have some factual information that would lead me to take the father's side, you really can't expect me to share your indignation here.

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It was a general argument on how courts treat fathers, not one about this situation.

I do however think it's absurd we are even arguing this. There is nothing wrong with a father that wants to take part in a major event of his child's life and it disgusts me that the court is allowing the mother to block him from taking part in it. I'm kind of done talking about this issue since apparently men are good for nothing but money.

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AGENT J said:

did you just say "ALWAYS" and then proceed to admit you know of cases yourself that prove its not "always"?

thank you for proving your post wrong and facts right again

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So do you agree that the only way a man can win is if the woman is ****ed up somehow? There might be exceptions to the rule of course, but would you agree that is the rule?

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The interesting thing is that many women don't actually get to ever see their children born. Yes, we experience it, but not really see it (not head and body out of the vagina anyway). I have two sons and I did not see my own hoohah while having them at all (not that I see this as a big problem). My husband was there for the first, and my sister saw both. He saw more than I did (the first glimpse I had of my firstborn was when the doctors and nurses (there were about 7-8 total in the room by the time he came out) were wrapping him in blankets as they moved him over to clean him up and do the apgar tests on him, I remember thinking I delivered a xenomorph from Aliens from that brief glimpse I had of him while they stitched me up). Pretty sure women don't even have this claimed right to see their child born considering doctors can put a woman under for a C-section if need be.

There is no right to see your child being born. There is right to access to the child, but even that is limited, especially if the couple having the child is not married to each other and/or separated. And considering that many hospitals are putting the babies in with the mother from birth to discharge now, the mother would even likely have a right to deny access to her room, limiting access to the child even more. This decision will always come down to the mother's right to decide who she wants in the delivery room (after the hospital clears that people can be there), no matter where she delivers that child (with the only exception being if she delivers in some unexpected place accidentally) because her privacy, comfort and stress level while delivering the child is always going to outweigh any access rights to the child the father of the child might want to claim. This is her medical procedure. The baby isn't included until the baby is born.

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Henrin said:

So do you agree that the only way a man can win is if the woman is ****ed up somehow? There might be exceptions to the rule of course, but would you agree that is the rule?

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I don't agree with the factually wrong statement that its always in favor of the mother and i dont agree with the factually wrong statement and backpedal that only if the mother is ****ed up some how :shrug:

no, that is factually not the rule or correct.

you could tell us thats the OPINION you have but it would be wrong
you could say the majority of decisions go with the mom and id guess youd be right

but your first two statments are factually wrong

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AGENT J said:

I don't agree with the factually wrong statement that its always in favor of the mother and i dont agree with the factually wrong statement and backpedal that only if the mother is ****ed up some how :shrug:

no, that is factually not the rule or correct.

you could tell us thats the OPINION you have but it would be wrong
you could say the majority of decisions go with the mom and id guess youd be right

but your first two statments are factually wrong

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Ok, then show me how I'm wrong. I will even admit I'm wrong and back down, but I'm not doing anything like that just yet.

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If they aren't married I think it changes things. Technically, as a single individual it should be her right who is in the room.

However, I can't help but feel for the dad as well being forced to not be allowed to see the birth of his son while still being expected to pay for the child and do all other fatherly duties. Then again, in past decades fathers weren't even allowed in the room since they seemingly got in the way of the staff and would panic and whatnot.

It's almost a gray area between the right of a father to see and be with their child over the privacy of the mom in a healthcare setting. I can understand each side and it's hard to actually put anything into consistency.

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Henrin said:

1.)I do however think it's absurd we are even arguing this.
2.) There is nothing wrong with a father that wants to take part in a major event of his child's life
3.) and it disgusts me that the court is allowing the mother to block him from taking part in it.
4.) I'm kind of done talking about this issue since apparently men are good for nothing but money.

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1.) i agree 100% its absurd you are arguing to violate the womns rights
2.) who said it was WRONG for simply "wanting" this?
3.) sorry that the courts protecting the women's rights disgusts you
4.) this is just worthless hyperbole since facts are against you

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RiverDad said:

We know with absolute certainty that the man is extremely committed to his point of view. We can only rely on conjecture about what might transpire with respect to the mother's stress during delivery.

Certainty trumps conjecture.

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GOOD LORD, it is the safety and well being of mother and child we are talking about!!!! GET A GRIP.

The father has a lifetime of bonding.

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Henrin said:

It was a general argument on how courts treat fathers, not one about this situation.

I do however think it's absurd we are even arguing this. There is nothing wrong with a father that wants to take part in a major event of his child's life and it disgusts me that the court is allowing the mother to block him from taking part in it. I'm kind of done talking about this issue since apparently men are good for nothing but money.

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The decision had nothing to do with being anti-man, anti-father or whatever. The judge cites two United States Supreme Court rulings and and one New Jersey Supreme Court ruling referring to a woman's right to privacy. Anti-male sentiments have nothing to do with the price of tea in China. The father has no cause to be exempt from three separate Supreme Court rulings.