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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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Gipper said:
When you helped me create my tonsils, you can be there for the removal.
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So would that mean that a person who donates a part of their body to someone else should have complete access to that person receiving their body part?
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm glad you're on board. I don't think we should wait for a female president and then put her up there. What if she sucks?

We need to pick a female to replace Teddy (or someone else) on Mt. Rushmore. Do you have any suggestions?
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Here's a terrific compromise. We bow to the equality warriors and put a female face up there but it has to be Governor Palin. Now, how badly do they want that female face up there?
 
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roguenuke said:
So would that mean that a person who donates a part of their body to someone else should have complete access to that person receiving their body part?
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That isn't creating any new body part, but simply donating one to someone else. Donating it causes you to lose ownership of it.
 
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RiverDad said:
Here's a terrific compromise. We bow to the equality warriors and put a female face up there but it has to be Governor Palin. Now, how badly do they want that female face up there?
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I'm good with that, and we should try to get her tits in there too.
 
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roguenuke said:
So would that mean that a person who donates a part of their body to someone else should have complete access to that person receiving their body part?
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If it was a memorable experience? Yeah, I'm down with that.
 
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Henrin said:
That isn't creating any new body part, but simply donating one to someone else. Donating it causes you to lose ownership of it.
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So men are not donating their sperm to a woman? Because I'm pretty sure most of these guys aren't meaning to create a new person by having sex with those women.
 
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roguenuke said:
So men are not donating their sperm to a woman? Because I'm pretty sure most of these guys aren't meaning to create a new person by having sex with those women.
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The ones that aren't wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to share the experience.
 
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Gipper said:
The ones that aren't wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to share the experience.
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Not necessarily. It's kinda like those guys who donate sperm then try to claim some parental rights to children that are produced from those sperm. Just because a guy likes the idea of being a daddy after he finds out about a woman he was with being pregnant, does not mean that he meant to get her pregnant to begin with. That means that he wouldn't have cared two bits what happened to that sperm had it not gotten her pregnant. I'm not saying that men should lose any actual rights such as visitation or being in the child's life, but being in the child's life and even part of their raising does not require being in the delivery room for the birth.
 
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roguenuke said:
Not necessarily. It's kinda like those guys who donate sperm then try to claim some parental rights to children that are produced from those sperm. Just because a guy likes the idea of being a daddy after he finds out about a woman he was with being pregnant, does not mean that he meant to get her pregnant to begin with. That means that he wouldn't have cared two bits what happened to that sperm had it not gotten her pregnant. I'm not saying that men should lose any actual rights such as visitation or being in the child's life, but being in the child's life and even part of their raising does not require being in the delivery room for the birth.
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Ah...so men who "do the right thing" get punished. Gotcha.

And women wonder why we bail.
 
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RiverDad said:
Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.
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What the heck do bakers have to do with a person's right to privacy??????

You do realize that "she has a bun in the oven" is not literal, right????
 
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Gipper said:
Ah...so men who "do the right thing" get punished. Gotcha.

And women wonder why we bail.
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The "right thing" is thinking about what is best for the child and even to a point the mother, not what you want. Being in the delivery room is not necessary to be a good father, especially if that makes the mother uncomfortable. Making the mother uncomfortable or upset during childbirth can harm the baby and greatly harm the relationship between the parents more if the mother is forced into that situation. Life can be complicated. And sometimes it takes patience and even some compromises to come to a place that is best for a child when their parents don't get along. Sometimes that place simply can't be reached for so many reasons. It is unfortunate, but life is not a scripted movie or TV show where things will always turn out "right" in the end.
 
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OscarB63 said:
If he has no rights, then he should bear no responsibility.....
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Not being allowed in the delivery room equals no rights??

Good grief.

Another tantrum.
 
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roguenuke said:
The "right thing" is thinking about what is best for the child and even to a point the mother, not what you want. Being in the delivery room is not necessary to be a good father, especially if that makes the mother uncomfortable. Making the mother uncomfortable or upset during childbirth can harm the baby and greatly harm the relationship between the parents more if the mother is forced into that situation. Life can be complicated. And sometimes it takes patience and even some compromises to come to a place that is best for a child when their parents don't get along. Sometimes that place simply can't be reached for so many reasons. It is unfortunate, but life is not a scripted movie or TV show where things will always turn out "right" in the end.
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I actually hope this kind of thing happens more. It might make men wake the hell up.
 
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I wonder if this case would have had a different outcome if this pregnancy had been a contractual arrangement where the woman was a surrogate, artificially inseminated or implanted with a fertilized egg, on behalf of a paying party. If she had such a contract and the contract provided for the paying party to be in the delivery room, would she have legal grounds to bar them?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I wonder if this case would have had a different outcome if this pregnancy had been a contractual arrangement where the woman was a surrogate, artificially inseminated or implanted with a fertilized egg, on behalf of a paying party. If she had such a contract and the contract provided for the paying party to be in the delivery room, would she have legal grounds to bar them?
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As long as it was part of the contract to begin with, I doubt she could legally bar them (although some limitations could probably be made, particularly if it came to her health or the baby's). I think it would definitely have to be put in a contract though, not just assumed. I would say they would have a right to be notified of the birth though no matter what. The child is theirs afterall, even if viewing of the birth wasn't actually in the contract.
 
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roguenuke said:
Being in the delivery room is not necessary to be a good father, especially if that makes the mother uncomfortable.
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You mean like it's not necessary for your husband to have a monogamous sexual relationship with you in order to be a good husband? Does my opinion on your marriage mean anything?

These things are not for you nor me to say, this man believes that he needs to be in that delivery room to be a good father.
 
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Gipper said:
It's just a demonstration as to why women will never be equal. The evidence is infinite.
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Believe me, no women would want to stoop down to your level.;)
 
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roguenuke said:
As long as it was part of the contract to begin with, I doubt she could legally bar them (although some limitations could probably be made, particularly if it came to her health or the baby's). I think it would definitely have to be put in a contract though, not just assumed. I would say they would have a right to be notified of the birth though no matter what. The child is theirs afterall, even if viewing of the birth wasn't actually in the contract.
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IMO, if the lady said no, the hospital would honor her wishes. They have no contract with the guy. They do have HIPPA obligations to the patient. By the time it got sorted in court which is what would have to happen if the lady continued to say no? It'd be a moot point.
 
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prometeus said:
No you didn't. How irresponsible is that? Does responsibility mean nothing to you? Why couldn't you just deal with the consequences of your actions? All the progress we have achieved now will be in jeopardy because of your irresponsible action.
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No no no, you have to make my returning the tv an attack on capitalism. Or gun rights, whatever.
 
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Henrin said:
The mother is already able to do that. It's called...

Abortion
Giving up the kid at the hospital

Should I go on?
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Abortion - it is her body her choice.

In terms of giving up the baby at the hospital? If daddy says no and wants to keep the child, would she not be responsible for child support to the dad?
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm good with that, and we should try to get her tits in there too.
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You mean dumbo, "can I call you Joe" Sarah???? Plzzzz
 
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RiverDad said:
You mean like it's not necessary for your husband to have a monogamous sexual relationship with you in order to be a good husband? Does my opinion on your marriage mean anything?

These things are not for you nor me to say, this man believes that he needs to be in that delivery room to be a good father.
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One has nothing to do with the other. A monogamous sexual relationship isn't necessary for everyone. It isn't necessary to be a good spouse. Your opinion on my marriage means nothing to me or hopefully anyone else.

And this man doesn't get to make that decision either. No matter whether he wants to or not. A marriage involves two consenting adults. Raising a child involves any number of adults and a child. That child's needs are most important here, not what the father thinks is best for him. And the child does not need the father to be there for the delivery for the child to be raised well, even if ultimately the child ends up being raised by that man.
 
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MildSteel said:
You mean dumbo, "can I call you Joe" Sarah???? Plzzzz
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What? Those are great tits. Are you blind??
 
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ecofarm said:
What? Those are great tits. Are you blind??
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Well Sarah just ain't quite on level for Mt Rushmore. And if you were going to do it for that, she's ok, but there are much better.
 
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