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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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OscarB63 said:
how do you know he's a jerk? talk about jumping to conclusions. but, I guess it is somehow "DIFFERENT" when you do it.......
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I said MAYBE. Are you going to scold gipper for calling HER selfish?
 
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OscarB63 said:
again, I never said the father does. that's the problem. he has no "rights" when it comes to his children.
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That's because fathers aren't real people. They're just a walking paycheck.
 
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Gipper said:
Maybe he's a bitch and would stick around after that. I know a real man would wipe his hands clean of her.
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This is my point. We don't even know if they have any kind of relationship at all. Who knows what the circumstances are?
 
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Gipper said:
That's because fathers aren't real people. They're just a walking paycheck.
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There are plenty of real dads out there, and plenty of sperm donors too. Give ME a break. There are PLENTY of so-called "fathers" out there who abandon their children.
 
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Gipper said:
Maybe he's a bitch and would stick around after that. I know a real man would wipe his hands clean of her.
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I'd tell her to go **** herself and be a dick about every ****ing support payment. ****, I'd take the time to go to the bank and pay her ****ing ass in pennies every month.

"hey, here's this month's child support. seventy-five thousand pennies." and make her sign a ****ing receipt for them
 
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ChrisL said:
This is my point. We don't even know if they have any kind of relationship at all. Who knows what the circumstances are?
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but yet you are quick to defend her and suggest that he is a jerk.......
 
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ChrisL said:
Sure he does. He can have visitation rights. He can even fight for custody. Like I said, I babysat for a guy who had custody of all 3 of his children. The wife lost custody in court.
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A man getting sole custody of his children is the exception, not the rule.
 
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OscarB63 said:
but yet you are quick to defend her and suggest that he is a jerk.......
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Again, I said maybe he's the jerk after another poster called her selfish without any evidence, so I don't know what you're complaining about.
 
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ChrisL said:
Sure he does. He can have visitation rights. He can even fight for custody. Like I said, I babysat for a guy who had custody of all 3 of his children. The wife lost custody in court.
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key words: "can have" and "fight". if something is a "right" it is not something that you "can" have or that you should have to "fight" for. IOW, he has no "rights", anything he has is either at the whim of the mother or he has to fight for it in court, that....is not a "right"
 
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Double post. Screw bad internet connections.
 
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OscarB63 said:
but...but....but...I thought we were all supposed to be "equal" and have "equal" protection under the law. I guess they lied about that too.....

and then people wonder why there are so many deadbeat dads out there. treat them like **** and give them no rights and then act surprised that they aren't happy about having to pay....
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Fathers have just as many rights as mothers in our courtrooms today. Just like a mom has to exercise her rights? So does a dad.

I have no sympathy for a guy who resents paying child support. Tough ****. Get over it. That's a right your child has, not your ex. A father paying his child support will never have to make excuses. And his child will, when he grows up, judge him by whether or not he paid it. Perhaps he will forgive him for not paying it; but it will always be in the back of his mind that his father abandoned him monetarily.

When a guy has another woman in his life, more than likely she resents those payments going out of her household, and possibly her children into the hands of "that bitch." Don't listen. Work harder. Or kick her to the curb. That's your child. He deserves your support. He didn't pick his parents. You guys did.

Why are there deadbeat dads? Probably because they were jerks to start with. I've seen guys go completely off the grid before they'd send that bitch a cent. Almost ruin their lives. Pick an entire lifestyle designed to make it impossible for his child's mother to get help. Jerks, every one of them.

(I'm not talking about you, Oscar; it's just more conversational to use the pronoun.)
 
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ChrisL said:
There are plenty of real dads out there, and plenty of sperm donors too. Give ME a break. There are PLENTY of so-called "fathers" out there who abandon their children.
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There is that term again. Nice.
 
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OscarB63 said:
I'd tell her to go **** herself and be a dick about every ****ing support payment. ****, I'd take the time to go to the bank and pay her ****ing ass in pennies every month.

"hey, here's this month's child support. seventy-five thousand pennies." and make her sign a ****ing receipt for them
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Yeah, well again you don't know the situation. My ex's boss was a real sad sack, always crying about how his ex wouldn't let him see his kids, and I actually felt sorry for him, until I heard ANOTHER side of the story, and witnessed the behavior myself.

The guy only wanted to see his kids when he was drunk and sappy. He would show up at her house to pick them drunk off his arse and expect her to let them go with him . . . drunk. She would say no, and he would freak out on her. He had driven over and tore up her lawn a number of times. Not to mention, he had several drunk driving accidents.

Would YOU let your kids go with a guy like that? I sure wouldn't, and it's not because I'm a selfish bitch either. We don't really know which one of these people is a jerk.
 
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ChrisL said:
There are plenty of real dads out there, and plenty of sperm donors too. Give ME a break. There are PLENTY of so-called "fathers" out there who abandon their children.
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Gonna go out on a limb...sore subject for you?
 
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Gipper said:
A man getting sole custody of his children is the exception, not the rule.
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my best friend came home early from work and caught his wife with another man while his kids were sleeping in the next room. she had been doing this for months. she still got full custody, alimony and child support. he got to live in a ****ing trailer in his parents' back yard for the next 10 years......
 
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Gipper said:
A man getting sole custody of his children is the exception, not the rule.
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Well there's just another reason you should be happy about more equality. That is slowly starting change, and more fathers than ever get to gain custody of their children. It used to be that way, mainly because a lot of mothers stayed home and had the TIME to care for these children, and the dad would pay for the support because he would be the working one. Nowadays, most moms are working too, so that's not always the case.
 
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MaggieD said:
Fathers have just as many rights as mothers in our courtrooms today. Just like a mom has to exercise her rights? So does a dad.

I have no sympathy for a guy who resents paying child support. Tough ****. Get over it. That's a right your child has, not your ex. A father paying his child support will never have to make excuses. And his child will, when he grows up, judge him by whether or not he paid it. Perhaps he will forgive him for not paying it; but it will always be in the back of his mind that his father abandoned him monetarily.

When a guy has another woman in his life, more than likely she resents those payments going out of her household, and possibly her children into the hands of "that bitch." Don't listen. Work harder. Or kick her to the curb. That's your child. He deserves your support. He didn't pick his parents. You guys did.

Why are there deadbeat dads? Probably because they were jerks to start with. I've seen guys go completely off the grid before they'd send that bitch a cent. Almost ruin their lives. Pick an entire lifestyle designed to make it impossible for his child's mother to get help. Jerks, every one of them.

(I'm not talking about you, Oscar; it's just more conversational to use the pronoun.)
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true, my point is simply: contrary to popular belief, the father is not always the bad guy. plenty of scummy females out there who spend the child support check on themselves and thne try to gouge the father for more money to support the kids.
 
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OscarB63 said:
my best friend came home early from work and caught his wife with another man while his kids were sleeping in the next room. she had been doing this for months. she still got full custody, alimony and child support. he got to live in a ****ing trailer in his parents' back yard for the next 10 years......
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35 and unmarried for a reason, bud...
 
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OscarB63 said:
my best friend came home early from work and caught his wife with another man while his kids were sleeping in the next room. she had been doing this for months. she still got full custody, alimony and child support. he got to live in a ****ing trailer in his parents' back yard for the next 10 years......
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Oh, and did you get HER side of the story? OR just your BFF?
 
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OscarB63 said:
true, my point is simply: contrary to popular belief, the father is not always the bad guy. plenty of scummy females out there who spend the child support check on themselves and thne try to gouge the father for more money to support the kids.
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And it's interesting that you and others would jump to those conclusions about a person that you don't even know anything about, other than a small article lacking much detail. :roll: Oh, she won't let him in the delivery room? She MUST be a selfish bitch. End of story.
 
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I think it's interesting that people haven't figured that government imposed child support is a disincentive and causes more men to abandon their children, not an incentive that gets more men to support their children. Think of it like a tax. Every single tax that is compulsory causes a disincentive to take part in whatever it is towards. It is not different for child support. It's one of the reasons the problem is getting worse, not better.
 
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ChrisL said:
Oh, and did you get HER side of the story? OR just your BFF?
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what is her side of the story? she was having sex with another man in their house while their children were there for months. she ****ing admitted it.
 
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Henrin said:
There is that term again. Nice.
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Well, when a guy provides sperm and nothing else, that's basically what he becomes. A sperm donor.
 
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OscarB63 said:
what is her side of the story? she was having sex with another man in their house while their children were there for months. she ****ing admitted it.
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Well there must be a reason why HE didn't get custody. If the court denied him custody, it was for a reason.

I'm not buying it. If she was having sex with strange men in the home for months while her children were under her care, then she is neglectful, and if she admitted to it, then she admitted to neglecting those kids.
 
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ChrisL said:
Well, when a guy provides sperm and nothing else, that's basically what he becomes. A sperm donor.
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No, he is father, but thanks for missing the point. When you use terms meant to demean men do you really think they won't just say "**** you" and ignore you? What makes you think it is actually helpful to your cause?
 
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