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Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

NIMBY said:
Eloquence once again is not the friend of GOP over-confident posters.
Gloat for 5+ months until this exact race is run again, a race in which GOPs have been in charge for 40+ years.
See ya in the mid-terms, starting with unpopular GOV Scott, hurting the down ticket .
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Yeah the mid terms will be here before you know it. Early polling looks really bad for Democrats. Democrats in tough races especially in red states can't distance themselves far enough from Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

What is so telling about this election, Jolly wasn't your typical GOP candidate. You know married, with children mom and apple pie. He was just recently divorced and his new much younger girlfriend, who is a lobbyist, accompanied him to his events. :lol:

Jolly though he worked for the former deceased representative, did not have name association with the people as Sink did just 4 years ago running for governor against Scott.

It's being reported that the Democrats spent 4-1 over the Republicans on this race. Guess money really can't buy you love. :lol:

Even though Sink did not personally vote for Obamacare, she is a member of the party that did and that was enough to resonate with the voters that another Democrat in the House at this time was a bad thing. :lol:


Yep I'm predicting a tsunami this mid-term for Republicans. Now would be a good time to stock up on some good spirits worthy of a such an occasion. Cheers!
 
vesper said:
Yeah the mid terms will be here before you know it. Early polling looks really bad for Democrats. Democrats in tough races especially in red states can't distance themselves far enough from Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

What is so telling about this election, Jolly wasn't your typical GOP candidate. You know married, with children mom and apple pie. He was just recently divorced and his new much younger girlfriend, who is a lobbyist, accompanied him to his events. :lol:

Jolly though he worked for the former deceased representative, did not have name association with the people as Sink did just 4 years ago running for governor against Scott.

It's being reported that the Democrats spent 4-1 over the Republicans on this race. Guess money really can't buy you love. :lol:

Even though Sink did not personally vote for Obamacare, she is a member of the party that did and that was enough to resonate with the voters that another Democrat in the House at this time was a bad thing. :lol:


Yep I'm predicting a tsunami this mid-term for Republicans. Now would be a good time to stock up on some good spirits worthy of a such an occasion. Cheers!
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This was a republican leaning district, so democrats faced a difficult race. Democrats usually have the edge in high turnout elections because that is when their voters usually come out in force.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
This was a republican leaning district, so democrats faced a difficult race. Democrats usually have the edge in high turnout elections because that is when their voters usually come out in force.
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Sorry United but it has already been shown that this district was trending Democrat in the fact that it carried Obama twice and Sink by a 2% lead over Scott during the governor's race 4 years ago. I think you would agree all three of these elections were high turnout events. This one was played as being just as important by the Democrats months ago and it is obvious with the amount of money they poured into the campaign and having Bill Clinton stumping for Sink they truly felt that way.
 
vesper said:
Sorry United but it has already been shown that this district was trending Democrat in the fact that it carried Obama twice and Sink by a 2% lead over Scott during the governor's race 4 years ago. I think you would agree all three of these elections were high turnout events. This one was played as being just as important by the Democrats months ago and it is obvious with the amount of money they poured into the campaign and having Bill Clinton stumping for Sink they truly felt that way.
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Democrats lost because their supporters did not get out to vote.

It was a low turnout election
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Democrats lost because their supporters did not get out to vote.

It was a low turnout election
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Yes the election was a low turnout event, but the pundits all had Sink in the lead until a few weeks ago when the ads intensified over the failure of Obamacare. The Democrats had nothing to counter. They had their get the vote out game in full force. Did it ever occur to you that those seniors who just lost their Medicare Advantage and other cuts to Medicare C thanks to Obamacare and who are paying more for their coverage related to the Obamacare ads had something to do with it? Seniors are usually the solid block of voters that do vote in these types of elections.
 
vesper said:
Yes the election was a low turnout event, but the pundits all had Sink in the lead until a few weeks ago when the ads intensified over the failure of Obamacare. The Democrats had nothing to counter. They had their get the vote out game in full force. Did it ever occur to you that those seniors who just lost their Medicare Advantage and other cuts to Medicare C thanks to Obamacare and who are paying more for their coverage related to the Obamacare ads had something to do with it? Seniors are usually the solid block of voters that do vote in these types of elections.
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It was hardly a referendum election if the results were that narrow.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
It was hardly a referendum election if the results were that narrow.
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Well when you consider it in total yeah it was. From the amount of money the left poured into this campaign, with choosing a well known recognized name as a candidate, bringing out their big gun party members to stump compared to the GOP's not so perfect candidate, yeah it's a big deal.
 
vesper said:
Well when you consider it in total yeah it was. From the amount of money the left poured into this campaign, with choosing a well known recognized name as a candidate, bringing out their big gun party members to stump compared to the GOP's not so perfect candidate, yeah it's a big deal.
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All of that does not matter unless democratic voters show up to vote.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
All of that does not matter unless democratic voters show up to vote.
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Maybe they did and decided to vote for the Republican.

One things certain, the whole sky is falling global warming narrative might not have been as effective as they thought.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
All of that does not matter unless democratic voters show up to vote.
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But just like the 2012 presidential elections, a good number of the base in the Republican party refused to even vote and stayed home because they could not support Romney. I imagine the same could be said about Democrats. I watched some coverage of the opinions of people after the election. One guy said something like "Bush was an idiot but the one in charge today makes him look like a saint".
 
vesper said:
But just like the 2010 presidential elections, a good number of the base in the Republican party refused to even vote and stayed home because they could not support Romney. I imagine the same could be said about Democrats. I watched some coverage of the opinions of people after the election. One guy said something like "Bush was an idiot but the one in charge today makes him look like a saint".
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Even more minority voters, mainly blacks and Latinos, failed to show up in 2010 because it was a low-turnout election.

And 2010 was a midterm election, 2012 was a presidential election.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Even more minority voters, mainly blacks and Latinos, failed to show up in 2010 because it was a low-turnout election.

And 2010 was a midterm election, 2012 was a presidential election.
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I already corrected that mistake on election years, but thank you. Have a good one United.
 
j-mac said:
I don't think it is a big indicator or anything like that...But it does follow what polls are saying right now about how the people feel about O-care.

On that an update from MY OWN company insurance....

We just got a packet this week it laid out:

My deductibles are going up by 75%
My co-pays stay the same
My prescriptions go from a flat $20 co pay to $20 co pay + 20%
My ER cost are going up by 200% (from $100 to $300)
and My premium is going up by 40%

Plus they dropped my wife from coverage because her work offers insurance as well, however it is better in some places, and worse in others....

So in essence, you could say that my premiums just doubled plus a 40% increase. You want to know what the average person like me is going to be thinking about going into the polls? It is that Obama, Pelosi, and the demo's promised that "the average family would see a $2500. savings in their premium cost per year." That was a lie....That "if you like your insurance, you'll be able to keep it" was a lie, at least in my wife's case. And I am going to be awfully scared at how demo's are purposely breaking the HC system.

I am going to be thinking of that among other things that demo's have done, and it doesn't look good for them.
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Your company paid health insurance has nothing to do with ObamaCare. Company paid health insurance has been climbing at steep rates for much of the past 15 years reflecting the aging population, the high cap costs of US medicine and to pay for the uninsured (which costs $116B per year; of which $42.7B is baked into insurance premiums at an average cost of $1,017 per family).

http://www.amednews.com/article/20090608/government/306089983/4/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/your-money/trends-to-watch-for-in-employer-health-plans.html?_r=0
Health insurance premiums climb faster in 2011 | Reuters
Job-Based Health Insurance: Costs Climb At A Moderate Pace
High Deductible Health Plans: Use Supplemental Insurance to Reduce Fear | The Institute for HealthCare Consumerism
The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs

To combat costs, companies have increased deductibles (including greater use of high-deductible plans), asked employees to pay more of their coverage and curtailed some benefits. Given the current political climate, this is a great year for companies to slash benefits and enjoy the political cover of people thinking its about Obamacare. Remember, however, Obamacare is about covering the uninsured; not re-writing corporate benefits.
 
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Ockham said:
Full story here: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election | Fox News

Sink was identified by many as the better candidate, had lots of money, ran a better campaign. In this part of Florida both candidates had to be somewhat conservative of fiscal matters to even run in the district. Lauded by many including MSNBC's crew at Morning Joe (click here for the video) as a "belweather" election which will set the tone for Novembers mid-term elections, Jolly's win tonight should signal deep concerns for the DNC.
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We should be nicer to our Dems they have a natural tendency to mess up but they are our little messes.
 
BigRedChief said:
Not to rain on your parade but thats been a Republican seat for almost all of the last 60 years. The tea party right winger made it close. An establishment Republican would have won by 15-20 points.
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It had become a swing district that remained Republican solely due to the incumbency of Bill Young.
 
upsideguy said:
Your company paid health insurance has nothing to do with ObamaCare. Company paid health insurance has been climbing at steep rates for much of the past 15 years reflecting the aging population, the high cap costs of US medicine and to pay for the uninsured (which costs $116B per year; of which $42.7B is baked into insurance premiums at an average cost of $1,017 per family).

Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/your-money/trends-to-watch-for-in-employer-health-plans.html?_r=0
Health insurance premiums climb faster in 2011 | Reuters
Job-Based Health Insurance: Costs Climb At A Moderate Pace
High Deductible Health Plans: Use Supplemental Insurance to Reduce Fear | The Institute for HealthCare Consumerism
The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs

To combat costs, companies have increased deductibles (including greater use of high-deductible plans), asked employees to pay more of their coverage and curtailed some benefits. Given the current political climate, this is a great year for companies to slash benefits and enjoy the political cover of people thinking its about Obamacare. Remember, however, Obamacare is about covering the uninsured; not re-writing corporate benefits.
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We kept hearing there were 30 million uninsured. When the dust settles, how many of those are going to be covered by Obamacare?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So you're insurance coverage was garbage and now you have better insurance and it cost a little more. Got it.
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No, My insurance is not 'garbage'....It is a standard 80/20 plan. It's the Obama/Pelosi standards, and wording of a law that is 'garbage'. And they forced it down our throats.
 
upsideguy said:
Your company paid health insurance has nothing to do with ObamaCare. Company paid health insurance has been climbing at steep rates for much of the past 15 years reflecting the aging population, the high cap costs of US medicine and to pay for the uninsured (which costs $116B per year; of which $42.7B is baked into insurance premiums at an average cost of $1,017 per family).

Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/your-money/trends-to-watch-for-in-employer-health-plans.html?_r=0
Health insurance premiums climb faster in 2011 | Reuters
Job-Based Health Insurance: Costs Climb At A Moderate Pace
High Deductible Health Plans: Use Supplemental Insurance to Reduce Fear | The Institute for HealthCare Consumerism
The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs
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No, we were lied to, and no amount of insurance companies waiting for their government taxpayer bailout, or shills for them will change that.

To combat costs, companies have increased deductibles (including greater use of high-deductible plans), asked employees to pay more of their coverage and curtailed some benefits. Given the current political climate, this is a great year for companies to slash benefits and enjoy the political cover of people thinking its about Obamacare. Remember, however, Obamacare is about covering the uninsured; not re-writing corporate benefits.
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It's a nice fluffy cake you have there in that talking point, problem is, it simply is just that, a talking point. In the real world people are losing their insurance, and the people this was supposed to cover, are NOT signing up. Companies will start to drop people as we are already seeing, because as we always said Health coverage is a benefit, not required to be offered. If they can get cover from Obama for doing this, then I'd say Obama f'ed up. O-care is NOT insuring the previously uninsured, they couldn't afford it then, and can't afford it now that Obama has made it more expensive. You end in calling company sponsored Health insurance a "corporate benefit"? Are you serious?
 
Obviously, the left wing press thought they were going to win this election, so they hyped it up as an important election. They wanted to point to this election to show that the public has accepted Obamacare. Heck, the establishment republicans did nothing to help Jolly, they expected a loss.

Ironically, it is now important because he won. And, of course, all we hear from the left is how this is no big deal. Big win for the people here, against the big government types.
 
sneakosview said:
We should be nicer to our Dems they have a natural tendency to mess up but they are our little messes.
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I guess it depends on what your view of "little" is... the ACA, not "little" in my book.
 
BigRedChief said:
Not to rain on your parade but thats been a Republican seat for almost all of the last 60 years. The tea party right winger made it close. An establishment Republican would have won by 15-20 points.
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Yeah, but the Democrat was expected to win and appeared to have all the advantages including the fact that her opponent couldn't make a speech worth a squat.

Regardless, these special elections are not good predictors of what will happen in the next regular election.
 
Ockham said:
Full story here: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election | Fox News

Sink was identified by many as the better candidate, had lots of money, ran a better campaign. In this part of Florida both candidates had to be somewhat conservative of fiscal matters to even run in the district. Lauded by many including MSNBC's crew at Morning Joe (click here for the video) as a "belweather" election which will set the tone for Novembers mid-term elections, Jolly's win tonight should signal deep concerns for the DNC.
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I made a prediction in another thread, and was only off by 2 tenths of a percentage point on this one. :)
 
Based on this election, I now make my prediction for November. Democrats will gain seats in the House, but will fall 5 seats short of taking over. In the Senate, my prediction is the GOP gaining 5 seats. Final tally - Republicans 50 seats, Democrats 48 seats, and Independents 2 seats. Both Independents will caucus with the Democrats, thus giving Biden the tie breaking vote. Ramifications of this is that a couple of Democrats do not walk in lock step with their party, so votes based on the most radical Democratic agendas will fail. With this arrangement, Obama will become a partial lame duck, and gridlock will rule the day for the following 2 years.
 
danarhea said:
Based on this election, I now make my prediction for November. Democrats will gain seats in the House, but will fall 5 seats short of taking over. In the Senate, my prediction is the GOP gaining 5 seats. Final tally - Republicans 50 seats, Democrats 48 seats, and Independents 2 seats. Both Independents will caucus with the Democrats, thus giving Biden the tie breaking vote. Ramifications of this is that a couple of Democrats do not walk in lock step with their party, so votes based on the most radical Democratic agendas will fail. With this arrangement, Obama will become a partial lame duck, and gridlock will rule the day for the following 2 years.
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I'm not gonna ask you to explain and for the love of God don't go around repeating that to people you know.
 
bubbabgone said:
I'm not gonna ask you to explain and for the love of God don't go around repeating that to people you know.
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Why don't you go make a "funny" photoshop comic about it.
 
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