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Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

Beaudreaux said:
My, my. You must really hate the US.

What evidence do you have that the US installed these guys? None. It doesn't exist because it didn't happen.

Did the US invade Ukraine? No.

Did the Russians invade Ukraine? Yes.

Jeez Louise. Get it straight.

Diplomats discuss all the time who they'd like to see in power. Russia wanted Obama. Putin was quoted as saying so. Did Russia put Obama in power?

Can you see how silly this is?
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The self-hating Americans declare any evil they can name is self-proven if it is about the US. Nothing new there.

It is amazing how much the left LOVES government domestically and what it to have total authoritarian power - and HATES the government in foreign policy for which the government is totally evil.

Why can't they pick ONE? They think the government is wonderful or they think the government is evil.
 
DaveFagan said:
You do know that the CIA has its' own army now and that the DRONES, like the one in Crimea operating out of Ukraine, are under CIA control. Before you would have your drone in Ukraine, you would have boots on the ground in Ukraine to operate and maintain, train, etc. That's known as enlightenment. Free to a good home. The CIA budget is acknowledged as $50 billion, not counting anything that they can develop as self sustaining, self financed like Oliver North, Iran/Contra to Congress, drugs for arms testimony.
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With Ukraine's permission, we could fly squadrons of bombers over Crimea, not just drones. Besides, if everything is so wonderful in Crimea certainly the Russians would welcome the world seeing it from the air, rather than media events staged by Russia.
 
joko104 said:
With Ukraine's permission, we could fly squadrons of bombers over Crimea, not just drones. Besides, if everything is so wonderful in Crimea certainly the Russians would welcome the world seeing it from the air, rather than media events staged by Russia.
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Ukraine does not have a duly, democratically elected gov't. It is firebombers, neo Nazis, right wing militias, and assorted scumbags who are about to take their turn at raiding the Ukraine Treasury. They were assisted into power by CIA front groups, such as, Freedom House, USAID, and NED. State Dept. of the USA is commonly front loaded with CIA agents and their obvious presence in Ukraine makes your bogus arguments and no link rebuttals sound like developmental ignoranus. Get thee some Ex-Lax to perhaps improve the volume.
 
DaveFagan said:
Ukraine does not have a duly, democratically elected gov't. It is firebombers, neo Nazis, right wing militias, and assorted scumbags who are about to take their turn at raiding the Ukraine Treasury. They were assisted into power by CIA front groups, such as, Freedom House, USAID, and NED. State Dept. of the USA is commonly front loaded with CIA agents and their obvious presence in Ukraine makes your bogus arguments and no link rebuttals sound like developmental ignoranus. Get thee some Ex-Lax to perhaps improve the volume.
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The Crimea does not have a democratically elected govt it is a puppet regime imposed by Putin after he invaded the Ukraine using unmarked forces and denied the fact for several days until he was well entrenched.
is no legitimacy to what is happening in Crimea.
You have still not even tried to provide any evidence of the CIA backed coup you keep talking about.
This makes all your bogus arguments and no link rebuttals sound like developmental ignoramus.
 
Quag said:
The Crimea does not have a democratically elected govt it is a puppet regime imposed by Putin after he invaded the Ukraine using unmarked forces and denied the fact for several days until he was well entrenched.
is no legitimacy to what is happening in Crimea.
You have still not even tried to provide any evidence of the CIA backed coup you keep talking about.
This makes all your bogus arguments and no link rebuttals sound like developmental ignoramus.
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ignoranus, not ignoramus.
The only evidence I have been able to provide is CIA on the ground in Ukraine (boots and drones). CIA front groups at the forefront of the insurrection (Freedom House, USAID, NED), State sponsorship of terrorists (Nuland feeding terrorists). Nulands annoited stooge established by clairvoyance (Yatsenyuk). Protestors and police shot by opposition (Nuland's pals operating out of US Embassy in Kiev). US sponsored NGOs training paramilitaries for protests.
 
DaveFagan said:
Ukraine does not have a duly, democratically elected gov't. It is firebombers, neo Nazis, right wing militias, and assorted scumbags who are about to take their turn at raiding the Ukraine Treasury. They were assisted into power by CIA front groups, such as, Freedom House, USAID, and NED. State Dept. of the USA is commonly front loaded with CIA agents and their obvious presence in Ukraine makes your bogus arguments and no link rebuttals sound like developmental ignoranus. Get thee some Ex-Lax to perhaps improve the volume.
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Do you have a link to any of this?
 
DaveFagan said:
ignoranus, not ignoramus.
The only evidence I have been able to provide is CIA on the ground in Ukraine (boots and drones). CIA front groups at the forefront of the insurrection (Freedom House, USAID, NED), State sponsorship of terrorists (Nuland feeding terrorists). Nulands annoited stooge established by clairvoyance (Yatsenyuk). Protestors and police shot by opposition (Nuland's pals operating out of US Embassy in Kiev). US sponsored NGOs training paramilitaries for protests.
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So no actual evidence just your own speculation.
Gotcha!
 
DaveFagan said:
Ukraine does not have a duly, democratically elected gov't. It is firebombers, neo Nazis, right wing militias, and assorted scumbags who are about to take their turn at raiding the Ukraine Treasury. They were assisted into power by CIA front groups, such as, Freedom House, USAID, and NED. State Dept. of the USA is commonly front loaded with CIA agents and their obvious presence in Ukraine makes your bogus arguments and no link rebuttals sound like developmental ignoranus. Get thee some Ex-Lax to perhaps improve the volume.
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So you want us to attack Ukraine, obviously.
 
Quag said:
So no actual evidence just your own speculation.
Gotcha!
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I don't want to make this difficult for you so you can find it all on your TV.
I will remind you that you have provided no links. I have provided many. Read previous posts. I don't do your legwork for you. What you refer to as speculation is evidence. It's from network news and links. Keep in mind that there really is no CIA and never has been.
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't want to make this difficult for you so you can find it all on your TV.
I will remind you that you have provided no links. I have provided many. Read previous posts. I don't do your legwork for you. What you refer to as speculation is evidence. It's from network news and links. Keep in mind that there really is no CIA and never has been.
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You made the claim you must back it up not me.
It is all irrelevant of course even if your accusations are true how does that give Putin the right to invade and annex part of another country?
 
Dave, I don't really think you're qualified to speak on what the CIA is or isn't. I know to you they're the boogeyman, but that doesn't make qualified in any way.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Dave, I don't really think you're qualified to speak on what the CIA is or isn't. I know to you they're the boogeyman, but that doesn't make qualified in any way.
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I most certainly am qualified. I'm a patriotic and idealistic citizen and the CIA is not. Check Ollie North's testimony. A starter kit of background for your perusal. Have a nice day.

CIA watch

American Police State, The - David Wise
Boomerang - Mark Zepezauer
Blowback - Christopher Simpson
Blowback - Chalmers Johnson
Break-ins, Death Threats and the FBI
Challenging the Secret Government - Post-Watergate Investigation of CIA & FBI
CIA Diary - Philip Agee
CIA's Greatest Hits - Mark Zepezauer
Cocaine Politics - Peter Dale Scott
Covert Action - the Roots of Terrorism - ed. E. Ray & W. Schaap
Deadly Deceits - Ralph McGehee
In Search of Enemies - John Stockwell
JFK - The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy - L. Fletcher Prouty
Lawless State, The - Morton Halperin
Predatory States - Operation Condor in Latin America - J. Patrice McSherry
Safe For Democracy - the Secret Wars of the CIA - John Prados
Secret Government, The - Bill Moyers
Secrets - CIA's war at home - Angus Mackenzie
Secret Team, The - the CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World - L. Fletcher Prouty
War At Home - Brian Glick
Challenging the Secret Government - K Olmsted
Who Killed JFK ?

The Secret Wars of the CIA - John Stockwell
The National Endowment for Democracy page
Articles
 
DaveFagan said:
I most certainly am qualified. I'm a patriotic and idealistic citizen and the CIA is not. Check Ollie North's testimony. A starter kit of background for your perusal. Have a nice day.

CIA watch

American Police State, The - David Wise
Boomerang - Mark Zepezauer
Blowback - Christopher Simpson
Blowback - Chalmers Johnson
Break-ins, Death Threats and the FBI
Challenging the Secret Government - Post-Watergate Investigation of CIA & FBI
CIA Diary - Philip Agee
CIA's Greatest Hits - Mark Zepezauer
Cocaine Politics - Peter Dale Scott
Covert Action - the Roots of Terrorism - ed. E. Ray & W. Schaap
Deadly Deceits - Ralph McGehee
In Search of Enemies - John Stockwell
JFK - The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy - L. Fletcher Prouty
Lawless State, The - Morton Halperin
Predatory States - Operation Condor in Latin America - J. Patrice McSherry
Safe For Democracy - the Secret Wars of the CIA - John Prados
Secret Government, The - Bill Moyers
Secrets - CIA's war at home - Angus Mackenzie
Secret Team, The - the CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World - L. Fletcher Prouty
War At Home - Brian Glick
Challenging the Secret Government - K Olmsted
Who Killed JFK ?

The Secret Wars of the CIA - John Stockwell
The National Endowment for Democracy page
Articles
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That's nice. Do you ever read books that don't correspond to what you already believe? Have you ever met someone from the CIA? Been to Langley?
 
DaveFagan said:
I most certainly am qualified. I'm a patriotic and idealistic citizen and the CIA is not. Check Ollie North's testimony. A starter kit of background for your perusal. Have a nice day.

CIA watch

American Police State, The - David Wise
Boomerang - Mark Zepezauer
Blowback - Christopher Simpson
Blowback - Chalmers Johnson
Break-ins, Death Threats and the FBI
Challenging the Secret Government - Post-Watergate Investigation of CIA & FBI
CIA Diary - Philip Agee
CIA's Greatest Hits - Mark Zepezauer
Cocaine Politics - Peter Dale Scott
Covert Action - the Roots of Terrorism - ed. E. Ray & W. Schaap
Deadly Deceits - Ralph McGehee
In Search of Enemies - John Stockwell
JFK - The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy - L. Fletcher Prouty
Lawless State, The - Morton Halperin
Predatory States - Operation Condor in Latin America - J. Patrice McSherry
Safe For Democracy - the Secret Wars of the CIA - John Prados
Secret Government, The - Bill Moyers
Secrets - CIA's war at home - Angus Mackenzie
Secret Team, The - the CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World - L. Fletcher Prouty
War At Home - Brian Glick
Challenging the Secret Government - K Olmsted
Who Killed JFK ?

The Secret Wars of the CIA - John Stockwell
The National Endowment for Democracy page
Articles
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This is your idea of how government and elections should look.

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DaveFagan said:
No. We already did that. I just think we should admit it.
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You messages have no credibility whatsoever.

You declare you are Green - but support Ron Paul wanting to eliminate all environmental regulations.
You declare you oppose corporate America - but support Ron Paul eliminating all corporate and banking regulations.
You declare you oppose American foreign intervention - but praise Russian foreign intervention.

Your messages are so radically self contradictory as to be worthless.
 
joko104 said:
This is your idea of how government and elections should look.

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You must have been in the Carolinas to get this Academi ( Blackwater) photo.
 
joko104 said:
You messages have no credibility whatsoever.

You declare you are Green - but support Ron Paul wanting to eliminate all environmental regulations.
You declare you oppose corporate America - but support Ron Paul eliminating all corporate and banking regulations.
You declare you oppose American foreign intervention - but praise Russian foreign intervention.

Your messages are so radically self contradictory as to be worthless.
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What a waste of my oxygen. Perhaps it's the vapors. Your post is a lie from beginning to end.
However, being a free speech advocate, whenever an individual wants to flaunt their ignorance,
I will not impede their progress. I am almost flabbergasted by the boundless enthusiasm with which
some proceed. Don't let me slow you down. There is no law that requires one to know anything
and no limits of that specific shortcoming. What could that all mean?
I do like Ron Paul. Doesn't mean I always agree with him.
I am Green. Registered, Is that like a certified dog? Am I a purebred because I'm registered?
The USA doesn't admit intervention in Ukraine.
Russia sems to be protecting Crimea from intervention.
You respond because my messages do have credibility and you feel sumpin' slippin'>
 
DaveFagan said:
I most certainly am qualified. I'm a patriotic and idealistic citizen and the CIA is not. Check Ollie North's testimony. A starter kit of background for your perusal. Have a nice day.

CIA watch

American Police State, The - David Wise
Boomerang - Mark Zepezauer
Blowback - Christopher Simpson
Blowback - Chalmers Johnson
Break-ins, Death Threats and the FBI
Challenging the Secret Government - Post-Watergate Investigation of CIA & FBI
CIA Diary - Philip Agee
CIA's Greatest Hits - Mark Zepezauer
Cocaine Politics - Peter Dale Scott
Covert Action - the Roots of Terrorism - ed. E. Ray & W. Schaap
Deadly Deceits - Ralph McGehee
In Search of Enemies - John Stockwell
JFK - The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy - L. Fletcher Prouty
Lawless State, The - Morton Halperin
Predatory States - Operation Condor in Latin America - J. Patrice McSherry
Safe For Democracy - the Secret Wars of the CIA - John Prados
Secret Government, The - Bill Moyers
Secrets - CIA's war at home - Angus Mackenzie
Secret Team, The - the CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World - L. Fletcher Prouty
War At Home - Brian Glick
Challenging the Secret Government - K Olmsted
Who Killed JFK ?

The Secret Wars of the CIA - John Stockwell
The National Endowment for Democracy page
Articles
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And oh, I didn't even click your link until after I responded to this the first time: I had thought you were listing off books you had read. Now I see you probably haven't even read them- that link just has excerpts from those books. I would assume chosen for a specific purpose. So you not only cherry-picked books, but then cherry-picked quotes from them. But never met or worked with someone from the CIA? Been to an CIA office? But you're qualified to speak about it? That's interesting.

I wonder what I could get DaveFagan-certified in? Read a few quotes from a few books, no experience necessary! Maybe a constitutional lawyer (I'm sure Dave thinks he's qualified to speak about that, too, actually). Maybe an Indy car driver. Movie producer? Bricklayer? The possibilities are endless, just need to find the write webpage with some quotes!
 
OldWorldOrder said:
And oh, I didn't even click your link until after I responded to this the first time: I had thought you were listing off books you had read. Now I see you probably haven't even read them- that link just has excerpts from those books. I would assume chosen for a specific purpose. So you not only cherry-picked books, but then cherry-picked quotes from them. But never met or worked with someone from the CIA? Been to an CIA office? But you're qualified to speak about it? That's interesting.

I wonder what I could get DaveFagan-certified in? Read a few quotes from a few books, no experience necessary! Maybe a constitutional lawyer (I'm sure Dave thinks he's qualified to speak about that, too, actually). Maybe an Indy car driver. Movie producer? Bricklayer? The possibilities are endless, just need to find the write webpage with some quotes!
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What stops you? Fear, or superstition?
 
DaveFagan said:
What stops you? Fear, or superstition?
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Lack of idiocy. I'm not dumb enough to think I'm qualified to talk about something because I visited a webpage with cherry-picked quotes from cherry-picked books.
 
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