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Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

gay rights and marijuana legalization
That can work both ways. What happens when the Dems win both of these battles? That will be two less reasons to vote for them. Something similar happened to Republicans when the Cold War ended.

I haven't read all 61 pages. Sorry if someone said this already.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Since you are conservative, here's some Viereck for you



That's real conservatism, and is why I said, conservatism as an ideology, I don't have a problem with. It's how the modern Republican party practices it's so called conservatism that bothers me. I gave three ways that I thought it could be corrected.

Who are you to correct anything? Who made you the arbiter of "true" conservatism? Please.
 
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I do not follow you. So people want to be with other people.... at least many do. People have done that all throughout history all over the world regardless of any right they may have held or not held. What does that have to do with the idea of natural rights?

because it is in the nature of man to form associations.

i have the ability to form an association, however human nature makes us form associations.
 
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because it is in the nature of man to form associations.
It is in the nature of man to procreate too. Does that mean that there is a natural right to impregnate any female a male can manage to?
 
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It is in the nature of man to procreate too. Does that mean that there is a natural right to impregnate any female a male can manage to?

that would be illogical, no right has the power of force behind it.
 
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so you are totally ok with same sex marriage? It's natural for people to associate - sometimes those people are same sex - and therefore they have a natural right to marry, correct?

I had the impression you weren't for it... I could be wrong.

as a libertarian, no i have no problem with people being together..marriage.

the problem i have is when people try to use the power of government to force their existence of their association on other people.

rights have no power of force behind them to make other people do anything, you don't have a right food, housing, shelter, ...because they must be created, therefore no one can assert a right to take from someone who has created those things.
 
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It is a natural thing for a human or animal to do. It's not a right

People, coming together in an organized way, can then say if the girl kills the man, she had the right to do that out of self-defense; but nature doesn't grant rights. There is no "natural" right. They could just as easily put a law in that you can't kill someone even in self-defense.

you need to rephrase this better.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Yes, they come out of thin air when wished.

Because unsecured rights are meaningless or put another way they do not exist.

Reality check, 1 2 3

Unless you are a woman, black, a child or poor. I also have some ocean view land for sale in Arkansas.

"if men were angels no government would be necessary"--james madsion
 
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The default position among conservatives seems to be that the GOP takes the policy positions it does because values, America, and common sense, and the Democratic Party takes its positions simply to pander to the shiftless poors.

Given that the Democrat Party is the one responsible for most of the discrimination and disenfranchisement in the past, they should be responsible for the solutions to correct them.:mrgreen:
 
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because it is in the nature of man to form associations.

i have the ability to form an association, however human nature makes us form associations.

What does that have to do with the theory of natural rights?
 
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as a libertarian, no i have no problem with people being together..marriage.

the problem i have is when people try to use the power of government to force their existence of their association on other people.

rights have no power of force behind them to make other people do anything, you don't have a right food, housing, shelter, ...because they must be created, therefore no one can assert a right to take from someone who has created those things.

seriously, dude, you're making no sense. If self-defense (in YOUR opinion) is a "natural right" how can food and shelter not be a "natural right"?

Why am I bothering?

Ok, stopping now. Again.
 
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seriously, dude, you're making no sense. If self-defense (in YOUR opinion) is a "natural right" how can food and shelter not be a "natural right"?

Why am I bothering?

Ok, stopping now. Again.



force the existence of associations on people........mandated education, which instructs people that homosexual association is normal......that is not a duty of government, whether its normal or whether its not.

government has no authority to apply force to people

it is the natural right to obtain these things [food water shelter], but it is no right to have them at the expense of others..


...because they must be created, therefore no one can assert a right to take from someone who has created those things.

you have no right to my time or labor.
 
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Given that the Democrat Party is the one responsible for most of the discrimination and disenfranchisement in the past, they should be responsible for the solutions to correct them.:mrgreen:

...well, for starters, they got rid of the southern conservatives that were the culprits of your assertion.... akin to firing the responsible party.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

No, liberals don't actually support liberty. I have never seen a liberal support any sort of hint at liberty without government involvement.

Don't have a clue what 'liberal' means, huh?
 
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Yes, one Democrat who sucks at math is somehow indicative of ... Something. I dunno.

I've never seen a bigger gaggle of partisans cherry-pick so much in am attempt to demonize an entire electorate.

Democrats are quite bad at math, they keep spending more than they should.
 
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Don't have a clue what 'liberal' means, huh?

Given that many conservatives are classical liberals, and didn't stink up the name like progressives have he probably knows better than you.
 
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Given that many conservatives are classical liberals, and didn't stink up the name like progressives have he probably knows better than you.

Given that I actually know how a dictionary works for those rare occasions when I come across an unfamiliar word, I doubt that he does.
And that 'classical liberal' crap is just that- crap. Conservatives are as fearfully obedient, boringly uniform and woefully clueless as they've always been.
 
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Given that I actually know how a dictionary works for those rare occasions when I come across an unfamiliar word, I doubt that he does.
And that 'classical liberal' crap is just that- crap. Conservatives are as fearfully obedient, boringly uniform and woefully clueless as they've always been.

Keep up with the liberal dogma, buddy.
 
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