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Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

That's some bad math in your avatar! lol
Intentionally so.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

1.)How does that change the fact the Karl Rove, the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush, used gay baiting as a tactic to get votes.
2.)He was also the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush. We wasn't just some guy out on the fringe.
3.)Yes I have a point. The fact is that Karl Rove, the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush, used gay baiting, with some success, to get votes for the Republican candidate for President of the United States.

1.) who said it did lol, thats right nobody thanks for the meaningless post that has nothing to do with mine. Now can you answer my question?
2.) another thing i never said, do you have anything to say that impacts the fact i stated?
3.) goody gum drops for that retard (Karl) lol
since nothign you said impacts the fact i stated ill ask again since you seem to be dodging it

are you claiming that millions of conservatives dont support equal rights and weed? yes or no
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

nations, which have rights created by the people, are democracies.

our founders state rights, come from a higher power

the u.s. was not created a representative democracy....because to be a democracy it would have to have been created as a democratic form of government, and it was not.

article 4 section 4 of the constitution states our government is .....republican.

for something to be democratic it must be a vote of the people..

the constitution of the founders, makes only the [house] a democratic body, the senate and electoral college are not a democratic body.
So some undefined "higher power" must give rights, or we have none.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

America would be a better place if it had more Jimmy Carters.
He didn't need to brag of his Naval Service, nor his high class rank.
His work and reputation since his Presidency have been impeccable and inspiring .
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

yes....but the left does not believe in them being endowed, .but created by a collective body.

They are created by a collective body. Without a social construction, the law of the land is anything anyone wants.

That is why natural rights are a necessary fiction, and why, despite anything to the contrary, why they should be construed as being created by nature or by a supreme being. The less awareness and control men have over their bond with one another, the better.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

So some undefined "higher power" must give rights, or we have none.

We could have some, none, or perhaps more than some. Arguing that it came from something men have little to no right to challenge, is on the whole, for our better. Being completely self-conscious that we made it all up invites desecration beyond repair.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

but carter has done a far better job at peace making.

the camp david accords come to mind

Carter was a mediocre president at best, with all the usual liberal fail. Reagan ended the cold war without a shot fired.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

America would be a better place if it had more Jimmy Carters.
He didn't need to brag of his Naval Service, nor his high class rank.
His work and reputation since his Presidency have been impeccable and inspiring .

:roll:
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

We could have some, none, or perhaps more than some. Arguing that it came from something men have little to no right to challenge, is on the whole, for our better. Being completely self-conscious that we made it all up invites desecration beyond repair.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Reagan ended the cold war without a shot fired.
The USA ended the Cold War.
Please keep telling the dp board a RINO did it by himself.

No shots were fired in the Iran/Iraqi war.
Only CON American treasure went to Iraq.
No USA treasure went to fight the Soviets in Afghan.

The USA was not involved in allowing Saddam to gas his Kurds.
There was no Iran/Contra.
Beirut never happened.
We didn't shoot at Libya either.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

I'd rather keep a good thing going than not, even if it means lying about it. Holding people to that expectation of God or Nature is better than "well, we made it up."
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

The USA ended the Cold War.
Please keep telling the dp board a RINO did it by himself.

No shots were fired in the Iran/Iraqi war.
Only CON American treasure went to Iraq.
No USA treasure went to fight the Soviets in Afghan.

The USA was not involved in allowing Saddam to gas his Kurds.
There was no Iran/Contra.
Beirut never happened.
we didn't shoot at Libya either.

Sorry, it took a strong leader like Reagan, unafraid of the USSR and one who seeked to diminish communism's roll in the world to do it.

Carter couldn't do it, he was a weak appeaser, and Obama might be worse.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

We could have some, none, or perhaps more than some. Arguing that it came from something men have little to no right to challenge, is on the whole, for our better. Being completely self-conscious that we made it all up invites desecration beyond repair.

I don't disagree. I'm just arguing that rights don't have to come from some higher power, necessarily, to be inalienable.

Although I'm not sure inalienable rights exist anyway, but that's beside the point (literally?)
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

All I can reasonably ask is that they provide the loans at a rate (currently 7%) that is NOT DOUBLE the rate of a home mortgage (3.5%).

Of course, if I had my druthers they would be out of the business entirely.

Should the feds set a cap for how high tuition can be raised each year? The capitalist in me says no, but the humanist says it might be worth considering.

You do realize a home mortgage is secured with real property right?

Why would you compare a secured loan to a very very risky unsecured loan?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

He was eviscerated because he was a weak leader. Even democrats appear to have agreed, judging by the election results.

Voters blamed Carter for the OPEC oil embargo and the ensuing stagflation which he had no control of. Actually Carter's results were far from weak. I'm afraid Republicans link intelligence with weakness, probably because of the lack of intelligent candidates in their stable. Bush must have been the dimmest bulb the Whitehouse has seen in a long while.

 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Voters blamed Carter for the OPEC oil embargo and the ensuing stagflation which he had no control of. Actually Carter's results were far from weak. I'm afraid Republicans link intelligence with weakness, probably because of the lack of intelligent candidates in their stable. Bush must have been the dimmest bulb the Whitehouse has seen in a long while.



You forgot the Iranian hostage crisis and the Panama canal incident.

On Bush, simply untrue. Bush had plenty of problems, but he was sincere and a leader. Meaning he lead and others followed. Our enemies feared him.

Contrast that with Obama, who adopted many of Bush's policies, while mistakenly assuming that peace through weakness could ever work.

One need only look at Obama's failed domestic and foreign policy to see where that gets us.

Take a look, do you think he knows why the room is laughing?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

You forgot the Iranian hostage crisis and the Panama canal incident.

On Bush, simply untrue. Bush had plenty of problems, but he was sincere and a leader. Meaning he lead and others followed. Our enemies feared him.

Contrast that with Obama, who adopted many of Bush's policies, while mistakenly assuming that peace through weakness could ever work.

One need only look at Obama's failed domestic and foreign policy to see where that gets us.

Take a look, do you think he knows why the room is laughing?


neither bush or his first defense secretary read their Clausewitz.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

You forgot the Iranian hostage crisis

Explain to me how the Iranian hostage crisis was Carter's fault. While you're at it, explain to me how Reagan's backdoor deal with the Iranians to release the hostages once Saint Ronnie was inaugurated was OK.

and the Panama canal incident.

Explain to me why the Panamanians should not have sovereignty over their territory.

On Bush, simply untrue. Bush had plenty of problems, but he was sincere and a leader. Meaning he lead and others followed. Our enemies feared him.

Yes, our enemies feared Bush enough to fly airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

You have this nebulous concept of "leadership" that simply baffles me. Apparently, being wrong is OK as long as you appear strong to your critics.

Face facts ... you have no clue what other world leaders think of Obama.

Contrast that with Obama, who adopted many of Bush's policies, while mistakenly assuming that peace through weakness could ever work.

Partisan claptrap. Ask Osama Bin Laden how "weak" the U.S. is. Oh, that's right, you can't. Because he's dead.

One need only look at Obama's failed domestic and foreign policy to see where that gets us.

Partisan claptrap.

Take a look, do you think he knows why the room is laughing?

I find it amazing that you're defending Bush in the same post in which you are castigating Obama for a malapropism.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

It is quite telling that the OP's premise relies on gay rights and legal marijuana not simply being the right thing to do.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

It is quite telling that the OP's premise relies on gay rights and legal marijuana not simply being the right thing to do.

"The only reason Republicans AND Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act was to suck up to voters!"

It's about as cynical as the OP. Now, I'm all for being cynical. But the OP's premise that two common sense policies are simply held to garner votes goes beyond cynicism.

By the OP's rationale, any position that either party holds that is even remotely popular is only maintained as a vote grabber. As useless as I find both parties, I am not jaded enough to think that Washington is completely devoid of principle.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

What can I say. I don't like the ridiculously overblown responses of some Christians. Not every Christian is the same though. Even us White Conservative ones.

Not every Christian is the same at all.

We have a sign in our living room that says that discussion of religion is not allowed. This applies, of course, mostly to guests, but also has application in our house. My wife is very extra Protestant churchy and always has been. Sings in the choir, teaches Sunday school. Goes to church, Bible studies and church social events. She followed the Christian behavior rules prior to marriage - perfectly - and was known for it. Marriage vows allowed significant options to her, but that is unique to her. Her actual spirituality is quite different, but that is private and her "Christianity" is due to her respect for her parents. She will acknowledge if her parents were Hindu she'd be Hindu in practice and behavior for the identical reason. Respect for her parents and then that heritage. I would describe her parents as perfect parents. I never had parents.

Our oldest daughter is an atheist. On no occasion has my wife tried to pressure her to attend church or talks religion with her. She does take the little ones to church. I am not a Christian, but I go to church with my wife and to most functions. I go because of her. I am respectful, but do not sing the hymns, chants or any other recitals - and everyone in the Church knows it. No one in the church, ever, has tried to convert me. Always respectful. There are other diversities in our household.

I get tired of Christians being portrayed by picking the most extremely negative church or wacko pastor and assigning it to all Christians. Doing so is rampant on this forum. It is dishonest and false. No one has to respect a Christian member's faith and can openly criticize it. But too often it crosses the line to just outright hatred, sneering and ridicule.

Personally, most of the finest, most gentle and decent people I've known in my life are Christians. I know some people who are excellent people who aren't too. But I also will say the most violent, amoral, immoral and sadistic people I've known in my life were not Christians. It seems I should just mention that, though will also say as an absolute that does not mean a person is superior by declaring s/he is a Christian.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Explain to me how the Iranian hostage crisis was Carter's fault. While you're at it, explain to me how Reagan's backdoor deal with the Iranians to release the hostages once Saint Ronnie was inaugurated was OK.



Explain to me why the Panamanians should not have sovereignty over their territory.



Yes, our enemies feared Bush enough to fly airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

You have this nebulous concept of "leadership" that simply baffles me. Apparently, being wrong is OK as long as you appear strong to your critics.

Face facts ... you have no clue what other world leaders think of Obama.



Partisan claptrap. Ask Osama Bin Laden how "weak" the U.S. is. Oh, that's right, you can't. Because he's dead.



Partisan claptrap.



I find it amazing that you're defending Bush in the same post in which you are castigating Obama for a malapropism.

Kindly place me on ignore, since the truth hurts. :roll:
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

It is quite telling that the OP's premise relies on gay rights and legal marijuana not simply being the right thing to do.

Even Dear Leader was against gay marriage until it was politically convenient. And what has he said about marijuana?

 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

"The only reason Republicans AND Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act was to suck up to voters!"

It's about as cynical as the OP. Now, I'm all for being cynical. But the OP's premise that two common sense policies are simply held to garner votes goes beyond cynicism.

By the OP's rationale, any position that either party holds that is even remotely popular is only maintained as a vote grabber. As useless as I find both parties, I am not jaded enough to think that Washington is completely devoid of principle.

First, I don't really think there is any such thing as common sense. There's no folksy wisdom. There's just knowledge and ignorance.

Second, while we might condemn our political opponents, most of the people who aspire to political office really are patriotic and love their country. They might have twisted ideas about race, religion, class, gender, sexuality, economics, or basically whatever, but they really do have the best of intentions. In the beginning, at least.

Even Dear Leader was against gay marriage until it was politically convenient. And what has he said about marijuana?

People don't always do the right thing. Liberals don't actually think that Obama is some kind of paragon or that he has to be. We yelled at him over these positions and he listened to us (cuz we're his constituency). Isn't that what politicians are supposed to do?
 
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