Record Support for Gay Marriage[W:162:334]

Anthony60 said:

Says the anti-Christian, anti-child leftist. Whatever gets your side votes, that's what matters. I mean please, get some integrity.

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JoeTrumps said:

exactly. you buy into gay marriage then you must also, by the same argument accept polygamy(and whatever lies beyond). You really find it THAT hard to believe many, many people aren't willing to jump on board with your "hippie commune" future? Changing a society FOUNDED on certain social institutions and simply throwing them into the trash bin isn't just wrong, it's dangerous.

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JoeTrumps said:

me? nothing at all.
in fact, I hope a homosexual polygamists moves in next door. It will only take about a decade to explain to my kid how "natural" that is in our new liberal utopia.

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Lursa said:

What harm do you see coming from it? Are you afraid your kid is gay? Because your 'neighbors' cant make him be gay.

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bubbabgone said:

That is performing a homosexual act because of your life's situation. Hold that thought.

The point was about the influence of the person's life environment.

It was related to the possible effect on a young female of being raised by 2 gay women and being exposed to their lifestyle throughout her formative years.

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CriticalThought said:

Based on what I have read, homosexual parents are under a sort of implicit pressure to raise heterosexual kids because of the expectation that homosexual parents raise gay kids. As such, it is kind of one of those situations where there is no way to know how the environment plays out because societal expectations and stigmas could also be influencing the environment the children are raised in. In the few studies that look into the sexuality of children raised in homes with a homosexual parent, they tend to find those people grow up more comfortable exploring their sexuality,

Right. That was the point.
I wasn't trying to suggest that children of gay parents are trained to be gay but just like with all child development there is certainly a strong tendency for what they experience in the home to become part of their own life because they think that's how it's supposed to be.
And yes, it can overwhelm how they otherwise would have behaved.
At a minimum ... it would likely be thoroughly confusing.
The amount of exposure to alternatives seems to me to be a critical factor.

Regardless, as you've said, too few studies with too small samples ... and that's not good.

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seems like their a bit less repressed rather then overwhelmed by anything

what exactly is this the how its supposed to be you speak of?

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Anthony60 said:

Ah, you've touched on another way the left is destroying this country. Kids and marriage? Nah, they don't have anything to do with each other. Why have a mother and a father? Any mish mash will do for the left. As long as it means more welfare and votes for them.

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bubbabgone said:

That is performing a homosexual act because of your life's situation. Hold that thought.

The point was about the influence of the person's life environment.

It was related to the possible effect on a young female of being raised by 2 gay women and being exposed to their lifestyle throughout her formative years.

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CriticalThought said:

Based on what I have read, homosexual parents are under a sort of implicit pressure to raise heterosexual kids because of the expectation that homosexual parents raise gay kids. As such, it is kind of one of those situations where there is no way to know how the environment plays out because societal expectations and stigmas could also be influencing the environment the children are raised in. In the few studies that look into the sexuality of children raised in homes with a homosexual parent, they tend to find those people grow up more comfortable exploring their sexuality,

Right. That was the point.
I wasn't trying to suggest that children of gay parents are trained to be gay but just like with all child development there is certainly a strong tendency for what they experience in the home to become part of their own life because they think that's how it's supposed to be.
And yes, it can overwhelm how they otherwise would have behaved.
At a minimum ... it would likely be thoroughly confusing.
The amount of exposure to alternatives seems to me to be a critical factor.

Regardless, as you've said, too few studies with too small samples ... and that's not good.

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It doesnt really matter...you cant change it. As people have already pointed out, there are (and have been) gay families with their natural kids in them, and kids they have thru surrogates, in vitro, etc. That's not going to go away...the govt isnt going to come in and take their kids.

There arent any serious studies that show any issues....and yet we DO know of the risks in single parent homes, or homes of divorced kids. And there is lots of abuses in the so-called traditional families...I'm pretty sure gays arent going to be dragging down their stats!

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Anthony60 said:

Ah, you've touched on another way the left is destroying this country. Kids and marriage? Nah, they don't have anything to do with each other. Why have a mother and a father? Any mish mash will do for the left. As long as it means more welfare and votes for them.

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Deuce said:

You have failed to show how procreation should be used as the basis for banning marriage.

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You have failed to show how same-sex marriage harms children

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You have failed to justify the state's gender-based distinction in face of the 14th amendment to the US constitution.

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I am for more stable, loving households in which children can be raised. You are against it.

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Anthony60 said:

There isn't any.

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That's wrong.
If a baseball player can only get a hit 3 times out of every 10 at bats, he has a pretty good chance at making the Hall of Fame. In your case, it's an abysmal failure.

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Anthony60 said:

Didn't try.



Didn't try.



There isn't any.


That's wrong.
If a baseball player can only get a hit 3 times out of every 10 at bats, he has a pretty good chance at making the Hall of Fame. In your case, it's an abysmal failure.

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blarg said:

you need to add a couple more didn't try's to the description of your post

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roguenuke said:

On the contrary, I love Batman. My favorite DC hero though is the original Robin, Dick Grayson.

However, my point was that obviously Batman not only was raised by a single man, but also raised multiple orphans to be superheroes. The first Robin especially was best being raised by Bruce Wayne/Batman due to the very fact that they shared the common tragedy of losing their parents to violent crimes and Batman could teach Robin to seek justice rather than revenge. And he had the resources to do it. Having a wife would not have made Batman any more or less fit to raise children. Raising children is mainly based on situation and ability and willingness to do so, not gender. (Both Bruce Wayne and Alfred have some serious flaws in being parents though, especially when it comes to emotional needs of children.)

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Anthony60 said:

Why? It has the correct number already.

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Anthony60 said:

I notice that in some of the newer Batman cartoons, you can still hear Adam West voicing characters, like Commisioner Gordon and Thomas Wayne, he is in his mid 80's. And hey, don't forget Aunt Harriet.

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Henrin said:

Yup, I made a mistake.

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disneydude said:

Seriously? People in prisons aren't "gay". They are heterosexuals placed in a situation where the only sex available to them is with another man. The vast majority return to heterosexual sex when they get released. It isn't a matter of turning gay. Geeeeeeesh!


A gay person can have straight sex....it doesn't turn them straight. That was tried as a "Cure" for ages.

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blarg said:

as long as the life style doesn't involve locking up their daughter away from all boys ( hmm could have implications for all girl schools ) what's the problem?

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Deuce said:

So why do you bring up procreation, anyway? What about it should affect my support for same-sex marriage?

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bubbabgone said:

CriticalThought said:

Based on what I have read, homosexual parents are under a sort of implicit pressure to raise heterosexual kids because of the expectation that homosexual parents raise gay kids. As such, it is kind of one of those situations where there is no way to know how the environment plays out because societal expectations and stigmas could also be influencing the environment the children are raised in. In the few studies that look into the sexuality of children raised in homes with a homosexual parent, they tend to find those people grow up more comfortable exploring their sexuality,

Right. That was the point.
I wasn't trying to suggest that children of gay parents are trained to be gay but just like with all child development there is certainly a strong tendency for what they experience in the home to become part of their own life because they think that's how it's supposed to be.
And yes, it can overwhelm how they otherwise would have behaved.
At a minimum ... it would likely be thoroughly confusing.
The amount of exposure to alternatives seems to me to be a critical factor.

Regardless, as you've said, too few studies with too small samples ... and that's not good.

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still not seeing the problem or how gay parents influence you to become gay or confused

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Lursa said:

Exactly....they arent gay...they just have sex.

So a young girl isnt going to 'turn gay' because of her parents.

If she's not 'attracted' in the physical way, she wont 'turn gay.

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Think about your attraction to women....would that change? Even as a kid I was very aware of my attraction.

And lots of kids...boys and girls...experiment with sex. It doesnt change their orientation altho as you pointed out...people can generally have any kind of sex they want.

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Anthony60 said:

Didn't you claim that they were exactly the same? I don't know that it would affect your support for it at all.

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bubbabgone said:

Too simplistic.
Do you have to "turn" gay to participate?
Would you be inclined to participate if you saw how your mommies acted with each other?
Would you be conflicted if you didn't act similarly?

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