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disneydude said:

Sorry. Gay parents don't make kids gay. Straight parents don't make kids straight. Its a ridiculous notion that isn't even worth spending the 20 seconds I've taken to write this post.

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We have really no idea what causes it, so any attempts by either side to scream "I'm right" are without any merit. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with either of you, but just that, you're both speaking out of your ass.

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Erod said:

It is so blatantly pathetic and absurd to try and equate racial inequalities and interracial marriage to homosexuality.

It reminds me of when athletes say they're "going to war" with their teammates. No, no you're not going to war, but whatever floats your boat, Biff.

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Yup...alot of supremely ignorant people...esp. southerners, said the same kind of thing about black civil rights....hey, they were free now, we let them live among us, what more do they want? We dont need to recognize their rights to the same things as 'us.'

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Henrin said:

Don't care.



Don't care about any of that either.

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Then social engineering is a strange discussion to have.

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Anthony60 said:

I'm not dodging anything, we haven't resolved my question yet. Don't expect me to answer you questions until you answer mine. Or go away, as this is not an important issue so it's not worth a lot of time.

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If you don't think procreation is integral to marriage there's nothing to resolve because it's not in conflict with same-sex marriage.

For someone who thinks it's not worth a lot of time, you sure post in these threads a lot.

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Henrin said:

Don't care really.



Again, not the same thing at all. No one has a right to other peoples children, or frankly to another human being, so the entire argument of adoption is just a matter of what is in the best interest of children. In terms of the fourteenth amendment it would be in the states interest to restrict access to adoption for such reasons. Do you think I was arguing my position not realizing this?

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LOL....reading....try it sometime.

Still not remotely about adoption.

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Wiggen said:

Good for you.

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I like your quote by H.L. Mencken. Here is another one:

"Liberty and democracy are eternal enemies, and every one knows it who has ever given any sober reflection to the matter. A democratic state may profess to venerate the name, and even pass laws making it officially sacred, but it simply cannot tolerate the thing. In order to keep any coherence in the governmental process, to prevent the wildest anarchy in thought and act, the government must put limits upon the free play of opinion. In part, it can reach that end by mere propaganda, by the bald force of its authority — that is, by making certain doctrines officially infamous. But in part it must resort to force, i.e., to law. One of the main purposes of laws in a democratic society is to put burdens upon intelligence and reduce it to impotence. Ostensibly, their aim is to penalize anti-social acts; actually their aim is to penalize heretical opinions. At least ninety-five Americans out of every 100 believe that this process is honest and even laudable; it is practically impossible to convince them that there is anything evil in it. In other words, they cannot grasp the concept of liberty. Always they condition it with the doctrine that the state, i.e., the majority, has a sort of right of eminent domain in acts, and even in ideas — that it is perfectly free, whenever it is so disposed, to forbid a man to say what he honestly believes. Whenever his notions show signs of becoming "dangerous," ie, of being heard and attended to, it exercises that prerogative. And the overwhelming majority of citizens believe in supporting it in the outrage. Including especially the Liberals, who pretend — and often quite honestly believe — that they are hot for liberty. They never really are. Deep down in their hearts they know, as good democrats, that liberty would be fatal to democracy — that a government based upon shifting and irrational opinion must keep it within bounds or run a constant risk of disaster. They themselves, as a practical matter, advocate only certain narrow kinds of liberty — liberty, that is, for the persons they happen to favor. The rights of other persons do not seem to interest them. If a law were passed tomorrow taking away the property of a large group of presumably well-to-do persons — say, bondholders of the railroads — without compensation and without even colorable reason, they would not oppose it; they would be in favor of it. The liberty to have and hold property is not one they recognize. They believe only in the liberty to envy, hate and loot the man who has it."

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Lursa said:

LOL....reading....try it sometime.

Still not remotely about adoption.

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I did read what you had to say. Anyway...are we done here?

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Deuce said:

Then social engineering is a strange discussion to have.

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Ummm...ok?

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Deuce said:

If you don't think procreation is integral to marriage there's nothing to resolve because it's not in conflict with same-sex marriage.

For someone who thinks it's not worth a lot of time, you sure post in these threads a lot.

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Oh, I guess it's just your questions that should be answered, not mine. How very liberal of you. Well, you may not be reading my posts at all and just continuing with your agenda, also very liberal of you. So tolerant, you folks on the left are. Well, post me some info about two gay men in a marriage where one of them bares a child, then we will have something to discuss!

Did you get down this far? I am just checking to see if you are reading this at all. Which one is taller, Stalin or Obama? Other than that, I think they are exactly the same. The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain. Hopefully not when Michelle is blowing our money on an extravagant vacation there. Still reading? Okay, go to sleep now.

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Erod said:

There's simply no integrity in the debate to begin with. We've just heaped a new definition on a word that already had a definition. It's like deciding that English is the same language as Russian. You can say it, or pass a law declaring it, but that doesn't make it so. That's where our system has lost any sense of integrity.

This whole thing is simply about votes and political power. Nothing more. Otherwise this would have been changed sometime in the past 3,000 years or so.

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Same thing racists said about interracial marriage.

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Henrin said:

We have really no idea what causes it, so any attempts by either side to scream "I'm right" are without any merit. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with either of you, but just that, you're both speaking out of your ass.

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It is pretty widely recognized that gay parents don't make kids gay or straight parents make kids straight. Gay kids come from straight parents and straight kids come from gay parents....its ludicrous to believe that because a girl raised by gay mothers happens to be gay....that they made her that way. In 2014....its shocking to believe that some people still want to spout that propoganda out.

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disneydude said:

It is pretty widely recognized that gay parents don't make kids gay or straight parents make kids straight. Gay kids come from straight parents and straight kids come from gay parents....its ludicrous to believe that because a girl raised by gay mothers happens to be gay....that they made her that way. In 2014....its shocking to believe that some people still want to spout that propoganda out.

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All you are describing is opinion of people, and then claiming it is the majority of opinion and therefore right. Majority opinion never means it is right or wrong, but just that the majority think a certain way. I'm not saying it is wrong, but just that it has nothing to back it up with.

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Erod said:

No, continue on with your little forum circle jerk. That's the MO around here.

I don't need distorted semantics to tell me what marriage is, and has been, for 5,000 years.

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That's what racists said when interracial couples wanted to marry in Virginia.

Yeah....we keep repeating it because it's an excellent analogy.

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Anthony60 said:

Guns, is that what you want to misdirect to? Now, how many pregnancies do you know of in gay marriages, which you have stated are "exactly" the same as normal marriage? No need to answer, since you either won't or you'll come up with some non answer, we know it is zero. So admit it, they are not the same.

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Lots of straight married couples dont have kids. So I guess they are the same as gay couples.

And the gay couples that DID have kids or used surrogates or adopted....they're just like straight couples, right?

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Lursa said:

That's what racists said when interracial couples wanted to marry in Virginia.

Yeah....we keep repeating it because it's an excellent analogy.

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Entirely separate issue. Completely.

Gay is not a race. It's not a religion. It's not a nationality. It is a genetic mutation or a chosen behavior, take your pick.

It is an insult to compare it to people who've truly been denied basic human rights, which this does not qualify. This is a trumped-up political movement designed to win elections and grandstand.

Civil unions have long existed, and there's been nothing preventing gays from committing to spend their lives together, or anything. I think EVERYONE pretty much supports legal change allowing them to have healthcare rights of determination, property considerations, etc, but the rest of this is just TV reality show fodder.

Again, I don't really care that much, and neither do most heterosexuals. We just find it silly, like when my kids go nuts for One Direction or something.

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Henrin said:

All you are describing is opinion of people, and then claiming it is the majority of opinion and therefore right. Majority opinion never means it is right or wrong, but just that the majority think a certain way. I'm not saying it is wrong, but just that it has nothing to back it up with.

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The problem is....it just plays into the scare tactics/propoganda that "Oh my god....you can't let gay people adopt kids because they were turn them gay" and the notion that gays are pedophiles that are out to "recruit" kids. The reality is, look at statistics of gay parents raising kids and how many turn out to be gay. The numbers are consistent with the numbers of straight couples raising kids that turn out to be gay. The ludicrous idea that gay parents turn kids gay is simply not supported by the facts.

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Erod said:

Entirely separate issue. Completely.

Gay is not a race. It's not a religion. It's not a nationality. It is a genetic mutation or a chosen behavior, take your pick.

It is an insult to compare it to people who've truly been denied basic human rights, which this does not qualify. This is a trumped-up political movement designed to win elections and grandstand.

Civil unions have long existed, and there's been nothing preventing gays from committing to spend their lives together, or anything. I think EVERYONE pretty much supports legal change allowing them to have healthcare rights of determination, property considerations, etc, but the rest of this is just TV reality show fodder.

Again, I don't really care that much, and neither do most heterosexuals. We just find it silly, like when my kids go nuts for One Direction or something.

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The problem is...you don't want to accept the reality that gay marriages are on par with straight marriages. Why are you threatened by that. THAT is the real question.

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Deuce said:

About 5%.

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Yup, and the same for straight couples that end up with adopted gay kids. :mrgreen:

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Lursa said:

Lots of straight married couples dont have kids. So I guess they are the same as gay couples.

And the gay couples that DID have kids or used surrogates or adopted....they're just like straight couples, right?

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Marriage is about faith, family, and children. Always has been, always will be.

Doesn't mean you have to have kids and or believe in God, but there really isn't a lot of point to it otherwise. Just live together. I realize some couples can't, or decide not to, have children, but that is far the exception.

I consider very few marriages to actually be marriages anyway. People these days rarely take it seriously for all that it implies.

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disneydude said:

The problem is...you don't want to accept the reality that gay marriages are on par with straight marriages. Why are you threatened by that. THAT is the real question.

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I'm not threatened. Why in the world would I be threatened by gay people? LOL

I just don't take it seriously. Not out of anger or disgust, just out of being naturally dismissive of it all. It's silly, and I'm not much for silliness most of the time.

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Henrin said:

We have really no idea what causes it, so any attempts by either side to scream "I'm right" are without any merit. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with either of you, but just that, you're both speaking out of your ass.

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We dont know what causes brain tumors or MS or stars to form or how birds all perform flying in sync (chorus line effect) or how monarch butterflies all know to migrate en masse to Mexico....but they are all real and exist.

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Lursa said:

We dont know what causes brain tumors or MS or stars to form or how birds all perform flying in sync (chorus line effect) or how monarch butterflies all know to migrate en masse to Mexico....but they are all real and exist.

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Thanks for the non sequitur.

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Henrin said:

I did read what you had to say. Anyway...are we done here?

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If you cant support your hypocritical argument, then I guess we are.

It wasnt about the right to adopt...it was about your 'boo hooing' gays right to marry and I pointed out I could as easily not give a crap and laugh at men not getting treated fairly in family court...an *EXAMPLE.* You dont give a crap about gay rights, others may not give a crap about men's rights. Oh well.....

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Erod said:

Entirely separate issue. Completely.

Gay is not a race. It's not a religion. It's not a nationality. It is a genetic mutation or a chosen behavior, take your pick.

It is an insult to compare it to people who've truly been denied basic human rights, which this does not qualify. This is a trumped-up political movement designed to win elections and grandstand.

Civil unions have long existed, and there's been nothing preventing gays from committing to spend their lives together, or anything. I think EVERYONE pretty much supports legal change allowing them to have healthcare rights of determination, property considerations, etc, but the rest of this is just TV reality show fodder.

Again, I don't really care that much, and neither do most heterosexuals. We just find it silly, like when my kids go nuts for One Direction or something.

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It's also not a choice. We recognize religion and that IS a choice. So much for your yo yo examples.

They are adult AMERICANS as as such deserve the same benefits and privileges as other Americans under the same contract. They are denied thru gender discrimination. That has been explained to you a few times.

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Henrin said:

Thanks for the non sequitur.

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You really cannot connect the dots can you?

Henrin said:

We have really no idea what causes it, so any attempts by either side to scream "I'm right" are without any merit. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with either of you, but just that, you're both speaking out of your ass.

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Your implied claim was that SSM isnt even worth bothering with because you dont know what causes sexual orientation. As if it doesnt exist even tho you dont know what causes it, lololol. So I gave you examples of things that 'exist' and we cant necessarily explain.

Lursa said:

We dont know what causes brain tumors or MS or stars to form or how birds all perform flying in sync (chorus line effect) or how monarch butterflies all know to migrate en masse to Mexico....but they are all real and exist.

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Good Lord, do we need to stick to words of one syllable for you?