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US prepares $1B aid package for troubled Ukraine.....

This will obviously cause tensions with Russia, but far fewer than Russia is causing. Likely, the financial costs will be quite small due to the minimal trade and lack of reliance on Russian resources, as well as the simple fact the banks are all in the western world. Giving aid to the Ukraine and sanctioning Russia is pretty much the only option available to the west, and I have a feeling it will be used aggressively until Russia either collapses or submits.

The people of Russia are already economically downtrodden....I doubt Putin wants a revolt.

Putin controls about 50% of the US govt. because US oil cos. are operating in Russia.
 
I think obviously the next President will have to press the "reset button" with Russia :mrgreen:

I can't believe that we are rewarding these people for their inability to have a functioning democracy.

You aren't. The US govt. is, and the US govt. does not work for you or the rest of the People. It works for Exxon, Gazprom, etc.
 
Blustering blowhards are not noted for their courage, and bluster is all this President has done.

Except for, you know, drones. And Bin Laden. And Libya. And surging in Afghanistan.

But except for virtually all of his foreign policy, you are spot on!
 
Except for, you know, drones. And Bin Laden. And Libya. And surging in Afghanistan.

But except for virtually all of his foreign policy, you are spot on!

The drone program is 'courage'? Bin Ladin had been a target well before Obama was President. And Libya? It's a mess and their appreciation was demonstrated by murdering the US Ambassador and three other Americans, all of which has led to an ongoing coverup.

The man is not just a fool but a dangerous fool.
 
15 billion is the magic number the EU will throw in. Throwing money at the issue is all Brussels has.
 
15 billion is the magic number the EU will throw in. Throwing money at the issue is all Brussels has.

Mornin Higgins :2wave: .....so are you saying thats like some lil Sprouts. :confused:

I am sure if they talks with Green Giant they could throw in some Sweet Cream Corn. :lol:
 
15 billion is the magic number the EU will throw in. Throwing money at the issue is all Brussels has.

Ukraine has pressing economic and financial needs. Even if there were no situation in Crimea, those economic and financial difficulties were in urgent need of attention. Although the EU's package won't really address Crimea, it can help Ukraine begin to address its economic and financial challenges.
 
The drone program is 'courage'?
It's as courageous as sending somebody else's loved ones into battle. The argument you're going for here is very transparent. Obama has been far and away more aggressive in his use of drones to kill terrorists than Bush was. He uses them despite international opposition. It's funny that you guys would be crying if he didn't use drones and accusing him of bending to international pressure. I can see it now "Obama is weak! The drones save American lives! He won't kill terrorists with drones because he's afraid of what the world will think!" Good grief.
Bin Ladin had been a target well before Obama was President.
So? What does that even matter? Obama is the President who ordered U.S. troops into Pakistan to actually get him. Much to the chagrin of the Pakistani government who was most likely complicit in hiding him. Only a rabid anti-Obamanite would try to dismiss this. I'm surprised you're not stamping your feet and accusing him of recklessness and almost starting a nuclear war with Pakistan.

And Libya? It's a mess and their appreciation was demonstrated by murdering the US Ambassador and three other Americans, all of which has led to an ongoing coverup.
Libya was not a mess because of Obama. Libya was a mess because of the civil war. And the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi was carried out by several anti-American/anti-western Islamist terror groups. It was not some an act denoting Libya's dissatisfaction with Obama's policy towards that country. Your characterization of that event betrays both ignorance and Pavlovian hyper partisanship. "Libya? Libya? OBAMA SUCKS!!! REMEMBER BENGHAZI!!!!!" You're part of the problem.

The man is not just a fool but a dangerous fool.
Based upon your contributions thus far I highly doubt anyone who is reasonable would place any validity on your assessment of President Obama.
 
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awesome post!


No, you have not been to war with us Canadians for 202 years. And you are not likely to, as we are the only nation on earth who successfully repelled an American invasion. We are really sorry about burning down the Capital and Mr. Jefferson's new White House. You can have some free maple syrup since that comes from Ontario and we have oil which you have to pay for because of our carbon taxes.

No, the US no more won the cold war than they won WWII, despite the propaganda of 3,107 John Wayne movies. There was that small matter in Poland you may recall that required the Kremlin to be "invited" to send tanks to kill some Polish people who responded by refusing to work or sell food to soldiers. Lech Walensa and Solidarity, the docks shut down and and a crumbling economy. It cost the Russians so much to be there they could not afford to pay their soldiers, who, if they wanted to eat, had to be nice to Poles. I was a journalist guest of Solidarity at that time, it was astonishing to see women spit at Russian soldiers, they particularly liked giving them trhe finger.

It was what, a year later the Berlin Wall came down while similar unpaid soldiers stood by gaping like morons. You may recall that that wall coming down was a complete surprise to the CIA who it is now claimed "Won" the cold war.

The cold war would not have ended had it not been for a Roman Catholic Priest who admired Ronald Reagan who became the Priest of Rome who shamed the priests of Poland for their silence about Russian attrocities and who defied the Kremlin's warning not to interfere. His name was Karol Józef Wojtyła, or to non Poles Pope John Paul the second.

It was later, much later that Ronald Reagan issued the famous line: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!", which is you really want to know was written by a Canadian.

I ask of Obama's defenders to name one war in which the US was a clear victor in a necessary war..

In closing there was one conflict which the US, with the help of Kaiser Wilhelm did solve without military force, although Canadian/British marines stood off against Americans:



The only casualty was a pig. Even then I think we were growing BC Bud

I am a huge Cold War history buff. I like what you've said here especially with regard to Poland and the Pope. And I'm sure you know there were many others as well. I really like the works by John Lewis Gaddis on this subject. Very objective. It was his book "The Cold War: A New History" that really sparked my interest in looking at all the edges.

We in America tend to believe our own hype sometimes lol.
 
I am a huge Cold War history buff. I like what you've said here especially with regard to Poland and the Pope. And I'm sure you know there were many others as well. I really like the works by John Lewis Gaddis on this subject. Very objective. It was his book "The Cold War: A New History" that really sparked my interest in looking at all the edges.

We in America tend to believe our own hype sometimes lol.



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One billion to the Ukraine. I was just thinking... I wonder how outraged the Republicans would be about this if we actually decided to spend that $1 Billion on needy Amercians?

(ducks and covers)
 
It's as courageous as sending somebody else's loved ones into battle.

It is not the same at all. Those 'loved ones' are the ones who are exhibiting the courage, and those same loved ones are those now living under the poverty line while others remain in Afghanistan despite Obama's call for retreat. Small Pay Raise Marks Another Hit to Military Personnel

The argument you're going for here is very transparent. Obama has been far and away more aggressive in his use of drones to kill terrorists than Bush was. He uses them despite international opposition
.I don't deny that.

It's funny that you guys would be crying if he didn't use drones and accusing him of bending to international pressure. I can see it now "Obama is weak! The drones save American lives! He won't kill terrorists with drones because he's afraid of what the world will think!" Good grief.
You guys?? Your post is directed to me.
So? What does that even matter? Obama is the President who ordered U.S. troops into Pakistan to actually get him. Much to the chagrin of the Pakistani government who was most likely complicit in hiding him. Only a rabid anti-Obamanite would try to dismiss this. I'm surprised you're not stamping your feet and accusing him of recklessness and almost starting a nuclear war with Pakistan.
It seems you surprise easily, and over nothing. Where is the doctor who led the military forces to bin laden? He still rots in jail while Obama gets the credit.


Libya was not a mess because of Obama. Libya was a mess because of the civil war. And the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi was carried out by several anti-American/anti-western Islamist terror groups. It was not some an act denoting Libya's dissatisfaction with Obama's policy towards that country. Your characterization of that event betrays both ignorance and Pavlovian hyper partisanship. "Libya? Libya? OBAMA SUCKS!!! REMEMBER BENGHAZI!!!!!" You're part of the problem.

You've entered some mysterious dark world here. Please continue the debate should you ever emerge.
 
One billion to the Ukraine. I was just thinking... I wonder how outraged the Republicans would be about this if we actually decided to spend that $1 Billion on needy Amercians?

(ducks and covers)

$1 billion is what the US government spends about every two hours, much of it borrowed or just printed. It's a little late for the left to concern themselves with fiscal responsibility at this late date.
 
$1 billion is what the US government spends about every two hours, much of it borrowed or just printed. It's a little late for the left to concern themselves with fiscal responsibility at this late date.

I say we give them some Buffet money then. Put those Berkshire Dollars to good use.
 
I say we give them some Buffet money then. Put those Berkshire Dollars to good use.

Warren and Bill could easily pick up the tab and then would probably watch more carefully over how their money is spent.
 
It is not the same at all. Those 'loved ones' are the ones who are exhibiting the courage, and those same loved ones are those now living under the poverty line while others remain in Afghanistan despite Obama's call for retreat. Small Pay Raise Marks Another Hit to Military Personnel
You missed the point entirely. So never mind.

You guys?? Your post is directed to me.
Absolutely. As well as the rest of the individuals who share your misguided point of view.

Where is the doctor who led the military forces to bin laden? He still rots in jail while Obama gets the credit.
He's in jail in Pakistan. What is the U.S. supposed to do about this? Go to war with them? What exactly is your point in bringing this up? Obama doesn't get all the credit. Obama gets the credit he is due. Just like other Presidents have in the past. It seems you're whining about something.

You've entered some mysterious dark world here. Please continue the debate should you ever emerge.
Bring that ****. We can debate Libya all day long. I already know which direction you're going to take it, likewise I know exactly how I would deconstruct your argument. But that is for another thread.
 
There's an irony, any EU package for Crimea would in effect go to a Russian satellite.

My point on this was that the package would not help alleviate the standoff concerning Crimea. Indirectly, prospects for a more prosperous Ukraine might have a small impact on the planned referendum in Crimea, but I don't think the impact would be all that significant.
 
Schools in the US are being forced to cut back due to lack of funding on the plea of "fiscal responsibility", but there is ONE BILLION DOLLARS for Ukraine. Amazing.
 
Schools in the US are being forced to cut back due to lack of funding on the plea of "fiscal responsibility", but there is ONE BILLION DOLLARS for Ukraine. Amazing.

Think of it as just a small part of Barrack Obama's 'stimulus' plan.
 
Think of it as just a small part of Barrack Obama's 'stimulus' plan.

LOL

I guess so. Apparently he has a problem prioritizing! :)
 
Schools in the US are being forced to cut back due to lack of funding on the plea of "fiscal responsibility", but there is ONE BILLION DOLLARS for Ukraine. Amazing.

Hell, it gets worse than that. There was a trillion dollars for destroying a country in the ME.
 
Hell, it gets worse than that. There was a trillion dollars for destroying a country in the ME.

It's starting to look like some of the fallout from that is going to drag the whole ME down. So much money spent for accomplishing nothing but creating more chaos with the result that the world is becoming a more dangerous place. So sad.
 
It's starting to look like some of the fallout from that is going to drag the whole ME down. So much money spent for accomplishing nothing but creating more chaos with the result that the world is becoming a more dangerous place. So sad.

That would be why Gallops global poll (Dec. 2013) found the US to be the greatest threat to world peace.
 
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