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Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

Grant said:
And you are attacking US foreign policies. Why not answer the question and we can move on?
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Pointing out US foreign policy abuses is a virtue, and something many people have done/do. I'm not preventing you from moving anywhere. The US didn't topple anything even close to single handedly. That's just more arrogance. It may have been interrupted for a time, but it would appear that is being repaired, and Russia has made vast improvements to its former self.
 
Montecresto said:
Pointing out US foreign policy abuses is a virtue, and something many people have done/do.
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No, pointing out foreign policy abuses of every nation is a virtue, not just the United States. That's an obsession.
I'm not preventing you from moving anywhere.
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Thanks for that.
The US didn't topple anything even close to single handedly. That's just more arrogance.
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It wasn't one Superpower against the other? That seemed to be the case at the time, if you were around then.
It may have been interrupted for a time, but it would appear that is being repaired, and Russia has made vast improvements to its former self.
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Russia is going nowhere. They are weak economically and demographically. Right now they have a strong leader while other nations, particularly in the US, are weak. All this will change quite soon.
 
Grant said:
Russia is going nowhere. They are weak economically and demographically.
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Europeans will become a minority in almost all Western countries in a couple of decades, Russia will probably remain the only country with a European majority. What demographics are you talking about? What to economy, well, Russia has a lot of natural resources and an educated population.

Grant said:
Right now they have a strong leader while other nations, particularly in the US, are weak. All this will change quite soon.
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Well, Putin is strong, because he has the support of the population that he represents. That is his REAL strength.

I doubt that any western leader has such a support in the country he represents.

Even if they appointed a crazy warmonger as a leader after the next election in the USA, will this warmonger really have the support of the population he is supposed to represent?
 
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Art_Allm said:
What demographics are you talking about? What to economy, well, Russia has a lot of natural resources and an educated population.
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Probably Russia's declining population and falling life expectancy. Russia's educated population is an asset, but its economy isn't very diverse. Hence, it is more vulnerable to shocks based on changes in energy prices.
 
Art_Allm said:
Europeans will become a minority in almost all Western countries in a couple of decades, Russia will probably remain the only country with a European majority. What demographics are you talking about? What to economy, well, Russia has a lot of natural resources and an educated population.
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Link? Russia has a lower fertility rate than any western european country. Where will Russia get the people without non-European immigration? And educated compared to whom, they seem to think Putin is a swell guy?

Well, Putin is strong, because he has the support of the population that he represents. That is his REAL strength.

I doubt that any western leader has such a support in the country he represents.
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That's true. For now.
 
Ben K. said:
Link? Russia has a lower fertility rate than any western european country.
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Where do you get your information from?


As of 2013, Russian TFR of 1.72 children per woman[5] was the highest in Eastern, Southern and Central Europe. In 2013,
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According to the 2010 census, ethnic Russian people make up 81% of the total population. This share remained steady over the last few decades.[13][14]

Demographics of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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What to Western Europe, it only has a growing Muslim population, the native Europeans will be replaced by Muslims in a couple of decades.

Ben K. said:
Where will Russia get the people without non-European immigration?
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Are you kidding?
Do you not know where children are coming from?
Only countries that promote homosexuality and anti-family policies have to bother about compensating their population with migration.

:D

BTW, who is interested in replacing the native European population with foreign non-European migration?


Ben K. said:
And educated compared to whom, they seem to think Putin is a swell guy?
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Putin speaks German and English and he is a really clever guy with a really high IQ.

BTW, what languages do you speak?
What is your IQ?


A National Science Foundation study involving 2,200 participants find that about 25 percent of Americans got this question wrong: 'Does the Earth go around the sun, or does the sun go around the Earth?'

1 in 4 Americans Think Sun Revolves Around Earth: Study - TIME
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:D
 
donsutherland1 said:
Probably Russia's declining population and falling life expectancy. Russia's educated population is an asset, but its economy isn't very diverse. Hence, it is more vulnerable to shocks based on changes in energy prices.
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Russian population is not growing as fast as in the past, but it is growing again... since Putin is promoting and protecting the family.
The new laws that prohibit the promotion of homosexuality in Russian schools was a step in this direction.

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Art_Allm said:
Where do you get your information from?
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https://www.google.ie/#q=russia+fertility+rate


What to Western Europe, it only has a growing Muslim population, the native Europeans will be replaced by Muslims in a couple of decades.
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Link?

Are you kidding?
Do you not know where children are coming from?
Only countries that promote homosexuality and anti-family policies have to bother about compensating their population with migration.
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See above. You're not "compensating" your population.
:D

BTW, who is interested in replacing the native European population with foreign migration?
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Russia will have to without a magic trick of some kind.


Putin speaks German and English and he is a really clever guy with a really high IQ.
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What's his IQ exactly? And almost everyone in Switzerland can speak 3 languages. Are they all to a person incredibly intelligent?

BTW, what languages do you speak?
What is your IQ?
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One. But I'm fairly confident in my intellectual capabilities in the sciences.


:D
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Well, I'm not American. But the results of that study were far more embarrassing for Russians. |Little understanding of simple genetics, lasers, continental drift or medicine.

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Art_Allm said:
Europeans will become a minority in almost all Western countries in a couple of decades, Russia will probably remain the only country with a European majority. What demographics are you talking about? What to economy, well, Russia has a lot of natural resources and an educated population.
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Demographics of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia already paying price for Ukraine - Mar. 6, 2014
Well, Putin is strong, because he has the support of the population that he represents. That is his REAL strength.
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Tyat may be his domestic strength but it doesn't translate well in international terms. This support may well decline as the economic consequences are felt.

I doubt that any western leader has such a support in the country he represents.
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That's not terribly important.

Even if they appointed a crazy warmonger as a leader after the next election in the USA, will this warmonger really have the support of the population he is supposed to represent?
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A crazy warmonger? Why this stark term? When the American leader is elected by the people he will have the support of the people, until they feel he is weak and/or ineffective..
 
Art_Allm said:
Russian population is not growing as fast as in the past, but it is growing again... since Putin is promoting and protecting the family.
The new laws that prohibit the promotion of homosexuality in Russian schools was a step in this direction.

320px-Population_of_Russia.PNG
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Thanks for this data. I stand corrected. FWIW, the official data can be found at: Population
 
Ben K. said:
https://www.google.ie/#q=russia+fertility+rate
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Well, the second place in google list was the Wiki-link I have quoted.

Do you yourself read the sources you are linking?

Ben K. said:
You're not "compensating" your population.
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No, we in Germany are not compensating our German population, it will be replaced by Muslims in a couple of decades. Today in German schools there are more Muslim children, than German.

But we are talking about Russia, aren't we?


Ben K. said:
Well, I'm not American.
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Well, the West is still involved in wars that were started by American imbeciles, like W. Bush, and this imbecile was elected by Americans.
Can we be sure that they will not elect another warmongering imbecile that will start WWIII?

Ben K. said:
But the results of that study were far more embarrassing for Russians. |Little understanding of simple genetics, lasers, continental drift or medicine.
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Are you able to read and understand the stuff you are pasting?

They are quoting Russian results from the year 2003 and American results from the year 2012 (almost 10 years difference).

Only imbeciles believe that it is OK to compare peaches to apples.

:D
 
Grant said:
Why not look at Assad, which is what the question was about?
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Assad is bad and what will replace him is far worse, as in Libya, Egypt and Iraq.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Thanks for this data. I stand corrected. FWIW, the official data can be found at: Population
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There was a decline in the Population growth in the RF after the collapse of the SU, due to migration and due to the horrible conditions that were inflicted upon Russia by Boris Yeltsin and his "Oligarch Family".

But Putin stopped this process by promoting a healthy family policy, I guess that this is one of the reasons why Putin is so hated by some people.

It would be wonderful if German government also promoted a healthy family policy in Germany, but now the promotion of homosexuality already begins in German elementary schools, and German families with children are de facto punished by the German government.

They promote non-European migration in Germany, they are eager to replace the native German population with non-European migrants.

Healthy people in Germany can see that Putin is representing the interests of Russians and that it is idiotic to believe that Putin is an enemy of Germans.

Putin loves Germany and the Germans maybe more than today German government.
 
Grant said:
No, pointing out foreign policy abuses of every nation is a virtue, not just the United States. That's an obsession.
Thanks for that.

It wasn't one Superpower against the other? That seemed to be the case at the time, if you were around then.
Russia is going nowhere. They are weak economically and demographically. Right now they have a strong leader while other nations, particularly in the US, are weak. All this will change quite soon.
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No, I'm an American, what American foreign policy does is what's important to me, and what I'm responsible for however infinitesimally.

Well, I'm sure for your peace of mind you are hoping for Russian failure. As for American weakness, its what happens when you abuse power, for America to regain strength, America must do a whole host of things of course (primarily domestically) but we must also cease with meddling in the internal affairs of countries that haven't threatened or attacked us, making **** up for excuse to force the will of IC's
 
Montecresto said:
No, I'm an American, what American foreign policy does is what's important to me, and what I'm responsible for however infinitesimally.

Well, I'm sure for your peace of mind you are hoping for Russian failure. As for American weakness, its what happens when you abuse power, for America to regain strength, America must do a whole host of things of course (primarily domestically) but we must also cease with meddling in the internal affairs of countries that haven't threatened or attacked us, making **** up for excuse to force the will of IC's
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Your rant has been filed in the appropriate location.
 
Art_Allm said:
There was a decline in the Population growth in the RF after the collapse of the SU, due to migration and due to the horrible conditions that were inflicted upon Russia by Boris Yeltsin and his "Oligarch Family".

But Putin stopped this process by promoting a healthy family policy, I guess that this is one of the reasons why Putin is so hated by some people.

It would be wonderful if German government also promoted a healthy family policy in Germany, but now the promotion of homosexuality already begins in German elementary schools, and German families with children are de facto punished by the German government.

They promote non-European migration in Germany, they are eager to replace the native German population with non-European migrants.

Healthy people in Germany can see that Putin is representing the interests of Russians and that it is idiotic to believe that Putin is an enemy of Germans.

Putin loves Germany and the Germans maybe more than today German government.
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It's incredible that acknowledging homosexuality in Germany is resulting in families having fewer children. Strange people, those Germans!
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
funny how very little news is coming out of libya.
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Very little in American press, but let Hillary Clinton tell you why.


Al-Jazeera's esteem in the United States has reached unprecedented heights in the aftermath of its coverage of the revolutionary uprising in Egypt, which clearly displayed how embarrassingly inadequate US cable news outlets are by comparison. Even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was compelled recently to concede that al-Jazeera English (AJE) provides "real news" coverage and actual on-the-ground journalism, unlike its American counterparts, which, she said, rely too heavily on cheap punditry.


Al-Jazeera, as endorsed by Hillary Clinton | Stephen Maher and Michael Corcoran | Media | theguardian.com
 
Montecresto said:
Very little in American press, but let Hillary Clinton tell you why.


Al-Jazeera's esteem in the United States has reached unprecedented heights in the aftermath of its coverage of the revolutionary uprising in Egypt, which clearly displayed how embarrassingly inadequate US cable news outlets are by comparison. Even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was compelled recently to concede that al-Jazeera English (AJE) provides "real news" coverage and actual on-the-ground journalism, unlike its American counterparts, which, she said, rely too heavily on cheap punditry.


Al-Jazeera, as endorsed by Hillary Clinton | Stephen Maher and Michael Corcoran | Media | theguardian.com
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Hillary is right in this instance but without the lapdog MSM neither her nor BHO would be where they are today.
 
Grant said:
Hillary is right in this instance but without the lapdog MSM neither her nor BHO would be where they are today.
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As though the lap dog MSM that is not doing their journalistic duties wasn't floating cover for George Bush while he was taking us into a costly and quite senseless war in Iraq.
 
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