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Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

Yeah, I wouldn't think the Pentagon would be real excited about taking on the Russians.

Collectively NATO would destroy Russia. The issue is more a case of being able to get the necessary pieces in place and avoiding mass civilian casualties/ throwing the whole region into turmoil.
 
My concern is that Putin does not ignore the many splintered GOP groups, hammering the POTUS daily in public.
Rep. Rogers wants to throw Russia out of the G-8.
Merkel said she wasn't too keen on this idea.
My point is that the USA does not speak with a unified voice.

As for the EU to fix, the USA lost countless thousands of merchant seamen before we actually joined WW2.

Russian stock markets down 10% today, losing 58 billion dollars in value..
This from FOX Baier and Hume on right now who I like .

Putin wants Crimea, and a good part of Crimea wants Putin. there's exceptionally little that we can or should do. unfortunately, Obama is still drawing rhetorical lines in the sand. and McCain? i saw part of his speech today, and i am so relieved that this guy is not in charge right now. he's like an even more hawkish superBush.
 
They're making empty threats after they've failed diplomatically for years. So yes, considering they're just making the US look worse and worse every time they open their mouths, perhaps they should shut the hell up.

So exactly what empty threats are you referring to on the Ukraine?
While Sen. Rubio is taking the Air Force off the table, Sen. McCain goes off in the other direction.
Meanwhile, I can watch Krauthammer--G. Will--Mara Liasson on the Special Report .
 
Putin wants Crimea, and a good part of Crimea wants Putin. there's exceptionally little that we can or should do.
Yet as soon as Putin invaded, the GOPs came out of the woodwork with "marbles and chess" type comments.
unfortunately, Obama is still drawing rhetorical lines in the sand.
Yet when Obama says nothing, he is criticized over that.
and McCain? i saw part of his speech today, and i am so relieved that this guy is not in charge right now. he's like an even more hawkish superBush.
But McCain and Graham are the go-to speakers for the GOP position, as you heard McCain get large ovations today .
 
What I mean is that the GOPs who are mouthing off are intent on clipping Obama's wings no matter what he says on any foreign policy event.
The GOP believes they are the only ones who can handle foreign affairs, as they did lasy week in filibustering a bill to help Iraqi Veterans .
Sorry NIM, I don't understand your second question.

Can ya' explain further?

Thanks
Thom Paine
 
Yet as soon as Putin invaded, the GOPs came out of the woodwork with "marbles and chess" type comments.

frankly, the GOP's MO has been to criticize anything and everything Obama does because they hate him viscerally. when it comes to situations like this which involve our global interests, they should be ignored.

Yet when Obama says nothing, he is criticized over that.

he'll be criticized no matter what he does. he should understand that, and take the hit. he could imitate John McCain, and the GOP would still hate him.

But McCain and Graham are the go-to speakers for the GOP position, as you heard McCain get large ovations today .

they lost, and at least partially because the country is sick to death of war. there are ALWAYS going to be new wars that we feel we should get involved in. as proof, we've been at war almost constantly for a century. WWII is probably the only one we should have gotten involved in, and without WWI, it might never have happened.

this path is well trodden; the destination the same.
 
So exactly what empty threats are you referring to on the Ukraine?
While Sen. Rubio is taking the Air Force off the table, Sen. McCain goes off in the other direction.
Meanwhile, I can watch Krauthammer--G. Will--Mara Liasson on the Special Report .

I've made that clear and YOU proposed a couple yourself. I've shown you that yours were empty threats and asked you to show how they aren't a few times now. Still waiting.

Here's a clue, stop watching FoxNews.
 
Collectively NATO would destroy Russia. The issue is more a case of being able to get the necessary pieces in place and avoiding mass civilian casualties/ throwing the whole region into turmoil.

One basic weakness of the West is the plutocratic nature of most of its top countries, and plutocracies are extremely easy to beat because all you have to do is find someone who has substantial controlling shares in several major corporations and/or owns several pols (i. e. in the US Congress) and threaten his/her family or reputation in some way, and voila, the govt. of the nation in which that individual has the most influence will quickly surrender or bow to your wishes.

The US is perfect example of this. If Putin, for example, manages to get his foreign FSB operatives to kidnap one of the children or relatives of the Koch bros., he can then order the US military to stand down.

The UK is another example--if Putin manages to do something similar to one of the rich Lords in the UK, the UK military will surrender and take orders from him.

IN other words, to win against a plutocracy, it is not necessary to defeat that country's military.
 
So yes, we criticize Obama, and Kerry, but not jut based on ideology.

It's based on what seems to be a foreign policy that's utterly lacking in coherency. Do I need to remind you Libs of the ' reset ' button, and Obama's claim in his State of the Union Address that "American diplomacy, backed by the threat of force, is why Syria's chemical weapons are being eliminated."

Really ?

His pledge of Military action in Syria just confirmed to every dictator that any future threats from Obama are going to be empty. Putin may not be there to bail him out of the next Middle East crisis.

His claim that the US has "halted the progress of the Iranian nuclear program."

Not true, The Iranians were lying to us before, and now they can continue to enrich uranium and continue to skirt International Law. The Arab Spring backfired, as stupid reporters headed off into the crowds fishing for " Thank You's'' from the Egyptian protesters.

This Ukraine issue just emphasizes how important it is to elect a competent leader who sincerely believes in the fundamental principles of the Country he's sworn to protect.

If this Ukrainian issue irons itself self out it won't be because of Obama's foreign policy prowess....but he may try to take credit for it.
 
What I mean is that the GOPs who are mouthing off are intent on clipping Obama's wings no matter what he says on any foreign policy event.
The GOP believes they are the only ones who can handle foreign affairs, as they did lasy week in filibustering a bill to help Iraqi Veterans .

No doubt, I probably have not seen all the GOP "attacks". Considering the state of the situation as best I conceive it those persons may feel they are expected to say something ergo they say something; They can't really "clip his wings".

The O administration is not exactly "soaring" in this situation; It causes me wonder if O's advisers are truly aware on these matters or if O and K are not heeding the advice; feeling they also must say something they toss something against the wall.

I don't have the answers but certainly have many questions. NIM this is not a DEM. vs. GOP thing. The problem belongs to and must be solved by O and his personally picked Cabinet and misc. advisers.

Metaphorically, the slo-mo replay could show a quarterback fumble; he might well try a different play for this one repeatedly has not worked.

Listen more, watch more,think more ... then execute a plan

Good day to ya'IM

Thom Paine
 
The 6:00 Eastern edition of FOX is the most informative news I can find.
I've made that clear and YOU proposed a couple yourself.
I've shown you that yours were empty threats and asked you to show how they aren't a few times now. Still waiting.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/vladimir-putin-media-conservatives-104181.html?hp=l9
link looks wrong, but I got it to work.
Yet it was the POTUSA in 2001, GWB, who spoke glowingly of V. Putin during their first meeting, after "looking in his eyes".
 
So yes, we criticize Obama, and Kerry, but not jut based on ideology.

It's based on what seems to be a foreign policy that's utterly lacking in coherency. Do I need to remind you Libs of the ' reset ' button, and Obama's claim in his State of the Union Address that "American diplomacy, backed by the threat of force, is why Syria's chemical weapons are being eliminated."

Really ?

His pledge of Military action in Syria just confirmed to every dictator that any future threats from Obama are going to be empty.

You mean like how Iran's threat of wiping out Israel is empty? Or how Saddam's threat of wiping out the US military was empty?

Anyone w/an iota of noodle already knows that politicians, including Obama, say things to the masses to appease them, while doing something else entirely. This is old news.
 
So exactly what empty threats are you referring to on the Ukraine?
While Sen. Rubio is taking the Air Force off the table, Sen. McCain goes off in the other direction.
Meanwhile, I can watch Krauthammer--G. Will--Mara Liasson on the Special Report .

I believe it's not the empty threats referring to Ukraine, it's all the empty threats of Obama's past that now no country takes what Obama says with any concern.
 
I've made that clear and YOU proposed a couple yourself.
I've shown you that yours were empty threats and asked you to show how they aren't a few times now. Still waiting.
If push ever came to shove, the port at Istanbul as well as the opening to the Aegean Sea are an easy blockade.
Yet I specifically have heard and read House Intelligence Chairman, a RBFD named Rogers, say that moving our Navy is 'OFF THE TABLE'.
Just FACTS, not HATE that you accuse ...
 
[h=1]Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine
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Obama threatens to

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?

Easy...the NSA is too busy spying on the people that they are suppose to be serving and protecting.
 
You mean like how Iran's threat of wiping
out Israel is empty? Or how Saddam's threat of wiping out the US military was empty?

Anyone w/an iota of noodle already knows that politicians, including Obama, say things to the masses to appease them, while doing something else entirely. This is old news.


You mean Obama's a Liar.

Yes that is old news.

Aa far as Iran and Israel are concerned I beleive minus Israel's stock pile of nukes and our past support they would have been whiped out long ago.

The problem with being a perennial liar is now people like Putin, and Assad and Rhouani know they dealing with a incompetent amatuer.

Dictators tend to take advanatage of things like that.
 
You mean like how Iran's threat of wiping out Israel is empty?

What they are now not interested in wiping out Israel?

Or how Saddam's threat of wiping out the US military was empty?

You put Saddam on the same level as the president of the US

Anyone w/an iota of noodle already knows that politicians, including Obama, say things to the masses to appease them, while doing something else entirely. This is old news.

Well now the world knows when Obama speaks of a RED Line, it is no line at all. Obama went into an agreement for Syria to get rid of WMD in 90 days or something like that and guess what nothing has happened. No WMD has moved, no one now cares what Obama says, including Iran. In fact Putin tells Obama to jump and how high.
 
Then you are against what one wing of the GOP is publicly calling for?
How do you feel about the GOP's many wings attacking the POTUS this early into a crisis created by Putin ?

A crisis created by Putin???
 
[h=1]Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine
[/h]
Obama threatens to

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?



Yeah, you know I would have to agree with that.

Especially since a senior US State Department official is on tape admitting to CIA fifth column activity. Add to that that Putin warned Bush way back when that Russia did not recognize the Ukraine as a legitimate state and that any attempt to exert Western influence would be met with force. On CBC radio today Putn was quoted as then saying he would "tear it apart".

Seems like that exactly what has happened.

So we appear to again have a situation where the US State department has created a problem without having considered what to once their dog actually did catch the car.


Having said that, does anyone really want an all out war in eastern Europe? Can the Us debt handle it?


And, will the NATO countries go along with another US war after 12 years in Afghanistan, Iran, Libya and the almost raid on Syria?

Mr. Putin ha splayed his hand very wisely testing the resolve of the rookie president in the middle east, then attacking when the US can't afford another war on yet another front.

The west won the Cold War when Kremlin was broke, had been unable to pay or refresh its military since Afghanistan and the people wanted American made jeans and Big Macs.

Today, the US is broke and tired and Russia doesn't need American made anything since you contracted everything out to China.
 
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The 6:00 Eastern edition of FOX is the most informative news I can find.

After Vladimir Putin, the right fires at media - Tal Kopan and Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com
link looks wrong, but I got it to work.
Yet it was the POTUSA in 2001, GWB, who spoke glowingly of V. Putin during their first meeting, after "looking in his eyes".

Still doesn't answer the questions about what you have proposed.

And also yes, Bush seemed to have great respect for Putin. From what I could tell it flowed both ways. Unlike Obama whom he mastered in their very first meeting and every exchange thereafter.
 
[h=1]Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine
[/h]
Obama threatens to

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?

Sorry, but the answer lies squarely with Obama. He is the Commander in Chief.

As for economic sanctions against Russia, that is not going to happen, the EU is dependent on Russia's trade as is the US. If we impose economic sanctions alone it will hurt us as much as them...
 
Don't worry, I expect you to take the most anti-American attitude and viewpoint available. Of course you are doing this while benefiting form to freedoms these "patriots" win for you, but it's par for the course for someone with your character.

Oh my goodness, if criticising the government is anti-American, then just about everybody here is.
 
If push ever came to shove, the port at Istanbul as well as the opening to the Aegean Sea are an easy blockade.
Yet I specifically have heard and read House Intelligence Chairman, a RBFD named Rogers, say that moving our Navy is 'OFF THE TABLE'.
Just FACTS, not HATE that you accuse ...

Except, the blockade isn't a GOP proposal, it's what YOU proposed, right here in this thread. And that would not blockade Russian goods in or out as you suggested. You also suggested sanctions, which again I asked, how you would go about such things.
 
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