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Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex...

Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

OldWorldOrder said:
what do you think is a lie?!

lol this is so weird
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DODGE AGAIN! lol

still nothing huh?
if you disagree simply prove your lie, you keep dodging this question and its hilarious
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
DODGE AGAIN! lol

still nothing huh?
if you disagree simply prove your lie, you keep dodging this question and its hilarious
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uhhhh...no one knows what you're talking about, dude. what do you think is a lie?

(lol will this count as another dodge in your nonlinear brain? someone asking specifically what you think is a lie/dodge? lol)
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
uhhhh...no one knows what you're talking about, dude. what do you think is a lie?

(lol will this count as another dodge in your nonlinear brain? someone asking specifically what you think is a lie/dodge? lol)
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translation: you cant prove your lie

you said i gave my opinion on what rights are, that is 100% a factual lie

and yes it is another dodge no matter your deflection and every time you dodge it, it just makes your post fail again


if you disagree simply qoute me saying the lie you made up and use facts to prove otherwise, i cant wait for this entertainment!


any takers on this being dodged again?
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
translation: you cant prove your lie
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Actual, noncrazy translation: I asked a question.

you said i gave my opinion on what rights are, that is 100% a factual lie
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lol? You said that my stance was against rights. That's your opinion on what rights are. looooooooooooooool

and yes it is another dodge no matter your deflection and every time you dodge it, it just makes your post fail again
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It actually makes you look hilarious. If I say "that's not red" when I look at something, guess what? I just gave my opinion on what red is. If you look at it and say it's red and I say it's not: I just gave an opinion on what red isn't. Either way, my opinion has been stated. lol, are you young?

if you disagree simply qoute me saying the lie you made up and use facts to prove otherwise, i cant wait for this entertainment!
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"qoute you saying the lie" wait a sec! Have you been drinking?!

any takers on this being dodged again?
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lol what do you think is a dodge?! lol
 
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RiverDad said:
Why? If I prefer to sleep with brunettes and redheads turn me off, why should I subject myself to the "horror" of sleeping with a redhead simply to claim the "prize" of not being an irrational discriminator?

I have no duty to "harm" myself in order to make someone else feel good about themselves.
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Sexual preference is not the same thing as irrational prejudice. You aren't prejudiced against men just because you wouldn't want to sleep with them.

Oh, is that the relevant metric? I don't imagine that forcibly converting everyone in America to Catholicism or Scientology would produce any measurable harm either. It's not like people are going to develop cancer or have to have a limb amputated as a result of being forcibly converted to a religion that they don't believe.
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That is a really bad example considering that forcible conversion to Catholicism has been attempted many times and the historical body count is in the millions.

Here's the point - it's not up to YOU to decide for ME what level of harm I must endure in order to fulfill your ideological goals.
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Of course it is. Just like you have no problem hurting gays to serve yours.

For someone like you, who doesn't care, then yeah, this doesn't make your quality of life any worse. For someone who does object, forced servitude is a huge deal. Think of it like this - prostitutes don't care who they have sex with so long as they are paid. People who are not prostitutes seem to get really upset about the idea of being forced to have sex with someone that they don't want to have sex with. There's this little matter of personal freedom that is a wrench in the works and screwing up your great design. You may think that the person that you assign to have sex with Woman #1 is a mighty attractive fellow. What you think though is irrelevant. It's what Woman #1 thinks that is important. Whether you agree with her assessment or not is irrelevant. Whether you would sleep with the man that she rejects is also irrelevant.
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If a prostitute wants to refuse service based on gender or sexual orientation, that is legitimate cause for discrimination. If your job involves swiping a credit card and putting something in a bag, not so much.

The point here is that your values on the issue of how people choose to form associations is irrelevant to their exercise of their own freedom.
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If someone wants to run a public facing business, they have to follow the rules of a public facing business. If they feel its an unfair limit of their freedom of association, they can pick an alternative legal structure that allows for discrimination.
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

OldWorldOrder said:
Actual, noncrazy translation: I asked a question.



lol? You said that my stance was against rights. That's your opinion on what rights are. looooooooooooooool



It actually makes you look hilarious. If I say "that's not red" when I look at something, guess what? I just gave my opinion on what red is. If you look at it and say it's red and I say it's not: I just gave an opinion on what red isn't. Either way, my opinion has been stated. lol, are you young?



"qoute you saying the lie" wait a sec! Have you been drinking?!



lol what do you think is a dodge?! lol
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i read all this and there is nothing in it that supports the lie you keep posting
also a dodge is what you keep doing to my request.

I will ask you again, please post the qoute of me giving my opinion of what facts are and factually prove i did so, im waiting.

each time you dodge this request its proof you posted a lie that cant be backed up, maybe this will be done in your next post
facts win again
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
i read all this and there is nothing in it that supports the lie you keep posting
also a dodge is what you keep doing to my request.

I will ask you again, please post the qoute of me giving my opinion of what facts are and factually prove i did so, im waiting.

each time you dodge this request its proof you posted a lie that cant be backed up, maybe this will be done in your next post
facts win again
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When you said I wasn't supporting rights, you gave your opinion that what I was doing was denying rights. I'm not sure how hard this is to understand.




Apparently, crazy hard.





So let's try a different tack: do you think my stance denies rights?



lol how sad to have to dumb it down to this level, but it should be fun, too.
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

OldWorldOrder said:
1.)When you said I wasn't supporting rights, you gave your opinion that what I was doing was denying rights. I'm not sure how hard this is to understand.
2.)Apparently, crazy hard.
3.)So let's try a different tack: do you think my stance denies rights?
4.)lol how sad to have to dumb it down to this level, but it should be fun, too.
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1.) nope 100% wrong. I pointed out the fact that you dont support rights, this is a fact. I said nothing about denying.
2.) yes seems thats the case for you to understand facts
3.) "denies them" no, you have no power to deny them
but it does show you factually dont support them
4.) i agree it is sad and thanks for doing so because it proves me right


so far nothing has changed, you still cant prove the lie you posted, let me know when you can

FACTS:
1.)i never posted my opinion on what rights are
2.) you views prove you factually dont care about peoples rights

facts win again
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
1.) nope 100% wrong. I pointed out the fact that you dont support rights, this is a fact.
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...that's your opinion. lol we can't go on much more after that, I'm very sorry.

You lose again :(.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
...that's your opinion. lol we can't go on much more after that, I'm very sorry.

You lose again :(.
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Nope its a fact whether you deny it or not :shrug:

let me know when you have any facts to support you, heck let me know when you have ONE fact to support you lol

FACTS:
1.)i never posted my opinion on what rights are
2.) you views prove you factually dont care about peoples rights

facts win again
 
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rathi said:
Sexual preference is not the same thing as irrational prejudice.
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Sure it is. It can meet both conditions. If I can't articulate a reason for why I find brunettes attractive and redheads unattractive, then I've met the condition of irrationality. If I act on that irrationality, then I'm prejudging and thereby meeting the condition of being prejudiced.

That is a really bad example considering that forcible conversion to Catholicism has been attempted many times and the historical body count is in the millions.
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Actually, it's a pretty good example. The harm comes from the resistance to the forced conversion, kind of like harm comes to bakers who refuse to do business with homosexuals who want a "wedding" cake for their "marriages" and the baker is sued into bankruptcy.

You've been arguing that no harm comes to those who are forced to comply. I've just mirrored your argument. No harm comes to those who are forced to convert to a different religion under threat.

The harm in both cases comes from resisting the violation of their human rights.

RiverDad -"it's not up to YOU to decide for ME what level of harm I must endure in order to fulfill your ideological goals."
Rathi - "Of course it is. Just like you have no problem hurting gays to serve yours."
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That's the most asinine thing I've seen written on this board today. It's up to you to decide what is in my best interests? Really? Here's a Harper's Magazine article to help you diagnose your ideology.
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
FACTS:
1.)i never posted my opinion on what rights are
2.) you views prove you factually dont care about peoples rights
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lol QED
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

OldWorldOrder said:
lol QED
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facts prove otherwise, im still waiting for the quote of the lie you made up up
 
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Ikari said:
That's not it at all. What you're asking is ownership of another man's property and labor. What it should be is when one's right to their own property and labor comes into conflict with the rights of others. Say for emergency care, the right to life. Then you have competing rights and you can say the right to life outweighs the right to property. What people don't like about the fundamental is that there are some services which don't involve rights. Say a bakery. And they want that bakery to serve whom they want when they want. So they have to make flip flopping claims to allow some but exclude others because the ramifications of freedom are too great for them to bear. But no man own's another man's property or labor. And that's the base.
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I don't really follow what you're saying.
 
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AGENT J said:
facts prove otherwise, im still waiting for the quote of the lie you made up up
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...? No one lied. I gave my opinion on rights, you critiqued it: that's giving an opinion yourself. lol, not sure why you can't understand that.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
1.)...? No one lied.
2.)I gave my opinion on rights, you critiqued it
3.): that's giving an opinion yourself. lol,
4.)not sure why you can't understand that.
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1.) false its already been proven you posted a lie
2.) nope i never critiqued it i simply pointed out the fact you dont support peoples rights
3.) already proven false
4.) because its factually false lol and i LOVE that you keep doubling down on it when its factually wrong, its hilarious.

again if you disagree all we need is a quote, qoute me giving my opinion on what rights are, you cant and you never will be able too because you posted a lie and made it up :)

facts win again
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
1.) false its already been proven you posted a lie
2.) nope i never critiqued it i simply pointed out the fact you dont support peoples rights
3.) already proven false
4.) because its factually false lol and i LOVE that you keep doubling down on it when its factually wrong, its hilarious.

again if you disagree all we need is a quote, qoute me giving my opinion on what rights are, you cant and you never will be able too because you posted a lie and made it up :)

facts win again
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lol no
 
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AGENT J said:
still no quote :laughat:
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Because there isn't any? lol that you don't understand this. You're asking for something that never existed, that no one claimed existed.

Are you upset that you're okay with discrimination?
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
1.)Because there isn't any? lol
2.) that you don't understand this.
3.)You're asking for something that never existed
4.) that no one claimed existed.
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1.) yes i know hence why you posted a lie
2.) another failed deflection from you that nobody buys
3.) yes i know see #1
4.) this is ANOTHER posted lie, YOU claimed i did, YOU claimed i posted my opinion of what rights are, should i quote you? lol

heres YOUR question
OldWorldOrder said:
Are you saying your opinions about rights are actually facts?
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heres my response
AGENT J said:
1.) I havent given you any opinion about what rights are, not once. If you disagree simply quote me doing so I cat
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then your reply
OldWorldOrder said:
Sure you have.
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i accept your concession and your admittance that i NEVER stated my opinion of what rights are, thanks for playing
LMAO fact win again
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

OldWorldOrder said:
Because there isn't any? lol that you don't understand this. You're asking for something that never existed, that no one claimed existed.
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Agent J is the king of making statements, refusing to back them up and when challenged he makes up some bull**** claim, accuses you of making it and then demands you prove it.
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
1.) yes i know hence why you posted a lie
2.) another failed deflection from you that nobody buys
3.) yes i know see #1
4.) this is ANOTHER posted lie, YOU claimed i did, YOU claimed i posted my opinion of what rights are, should i quote you? lol

heres YOUR question


heres my response


then your reply



i accept your concession and your admittance that i NEVER stated my opinion of what rights are, thanks for playing
LMAO fact win again
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Have you been drinking? What are you even talking about? Who's a liar? For what? lol wtf are you talking about?
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

OscarB63 said:
Agent J is the king of making statements, refusing to back them up and when challenged he makes up some bull**** claim, accuses you of making it and then demands you prove it.
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It's just very weird. You'd think he'd embarrassed about this, I know I would be.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
Have you been drinking? What are you even talking about? Who's a liar? For what? lol wtf are you talking about?
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Deflections wont work, nobody honest educated and objective will ever buy it
Links, quotes and facts all prove your post wrong. Facts win again.
The lie you posted as been proven wrong and your own post admitted

Facts:
i never gave my opinion on what rights are

let me know when that changes
 
Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

AGENT J said:
Deflections wont work, nobody honest educated and objective will ever buy it
Links, quotes and facts all prove your post wrong. Facts win again.
The lie you posted as been proven wrong and your own post admitted

Facts:
i never gave my opinion on what rights are

let me know when that changes
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lol when you said my opinion was wrong...you gave your own opinion.


but lol that you don't know that, this is great. how many pages has it been of you not understanding this?
 
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