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Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

MMC said:
Yeah while Kerry is Condemning..... and doing all that talking. Russia just gave the Ukraine until 5am to Surrender.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/187296-ukrainian-crisis-2014-a-28.html#post1062991560
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I think he might have given the belligerents that started burning everything, toppled the government, seized control of the military and declared independence until 5:00 AM to surrender.
 
Montecresto said:
I think he might have given the belligerents that started burning everything, toppled the government, seized control of the military and declared independence until 5:00 AM to surrender.
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Be that as it may.....he moved the armor 9 hrs ago and two Ships into port. He has both sides of the strait covered with the ferry crossing too.
 
Removable Mind said:
No gains. Only more unnecessary deaths of U.S. Citizens. More unnecessary loss of treasure. More debt. More negative global opinions about the U.S. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now if Obama and Putin wanna square off and duke it out on TV...I'd watch.
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MMA contest? Putin would likely win that, too.
 
PeteEU said:
That is a whole other story. The EU did, just as the US did.

Now the funny or interesting thing is, that much of Russian wealth is actually in the EU. It is in London, Austria, Germany, in banks and real estate and so on. Now the question is if the EU starts to freeze these assets or seize them, then will Putin be able to keep his backers in check.. And you also have to remember that the only reason that the Russian budget is in balance is the oil price.. anything under 100 bucks a barrel and Putin starts to bleed money. I mean Putin can cut off the gas to Europe.. well we are in a warm winter so /shrug. But we can hurt him and his mafia friends by seizing the 100s of billions and 100s of billions they have smuggled out of Russia over the last 20 years.

There are far more grey areas that are not talked about, but are just as important.

In the end I suspect cool heads will prevail. I suspect the Crimea will get to vote on which country they want to be part off, and Ukraine gets money and gas from Russia as compensation and is left to do what it wants. This of course is all dependent on that there is no attacks or discrimination against the remaining Russian minority in Ukraine.
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I am not quite clear, what you want to say. The USA was okay with the Europeans handling the security in their area. They wanted them to. So the treaty that lead to the present situation was a European thing. It was not the Americans.
And the other stuff might be interesting in another context.
So again: Did the EU understand, what it was doing or not?
 
solletica said:
MMA contest? Putin would likely win that, too.
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You're being kind... Putin is ex-KGB Lt. Colonel of 16 years, Obama is ex community organizer and civil rights attorney. Snapped like a toothpick comes quickly to mind....
 
Deuce said:
Are you really under the impression that words were going to change Russia's mind regarding a major strategic asset? Do you people really think such decisions are affected by this high-school level tough-guy bull****?

Maybe that's the problem. Conservatives just never emotionally graduated from high school.
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But they can still pronounce "nukular"
 
Ockham said:
You're being kind... Putin is ex-KGB Lt. Colonel of 16 years, Obama is ex community organizer and civil rights attorney. Snapped like a toothpick comes quickly to mind....
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My dad can beat up your dad.
 
Montecresto said:
Russia will quickly secure the country, install a friendly government and be gone. If the US went in, it would cost a trillion dollars, kill 4,500 soldiers, take a decade, and when we left it would be in worse shape then when we arrived. Better just let Putin handle this.
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Its amazing to watch people defend Russia. LOL!
 
Caine said:
Not a god damned thing.
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That's what I figure.

I really don't think that the Ukraine would be better off if a worldwide Nuclear Armageddon is launched.

Hopefully the rest of the world can convince Russia to cool it at least a little bit.
 
solletica said:
MMA contest? Putin would likely win that, too.
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Maybe. But the reality is that when world leaders get pissed at each other and use citizens to do their bidding and fighting for them...history shows there's always huge loses for all parties.
 
PeteEU said:
First off it has far from been established that it is "foreign" troops. And how can it be "foreign troops" when 90% of the population is Russian?

Secondly the regional government is actually pro-Russian and according to the reports, the men with guns who took over the buildings, did so to protect them from troops and armed men from Kiev.

The whole situation is driven by fear and that fear is based on past history. The people in Crimea dont trust Kiev because Kiev has removed and tried to remove even more rights form the area. It use to be very independent from the rest of the Ukraine but Kiev has been for years been pulling back powers. And that has all to do with one thing... the military port of Sevastepol... presently under Russian control and wanted badly by the Ukrainian nationalists. That is what Russia is protecting.



No and no. Russia has admitted it moved some troops to the Crimea yes, but it has not said that those troops have taken over the government buildings or anything else.

Also the so called analysts are just that.. analysts and often with a hidden agenda, especially the American and British ones.
Some are even pushing for war for **** sake..
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I am going to guess that none of them plan on going there to help Ukraine in person on the front lines.

I'm sure that they'll be happy to hold someone else's hat while that person joins the battle.
 
apdst said:
Its amazing to watch people defend Russia. LOL!
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Right wingers have been all over Putins ultra-authoritarian religious shtick.
 
Deuce said:
Right wingers have been all over Putins ultra-authoritarian religious shtick.
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Solely because we wish we had a POTUS with stones like his, instead of the craisins ours sports.
 
apdst said:
Its amazing to watch people defend Russia. LOL!
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What's so bad about Russia? Is it the fact that it's a much more Conservative Christian country than us?
 
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clownboy said:
Solely because we wish we had a POTUS with stones like his, instead of the craisins ours sports.
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Are you thinking that Obama should kick Putins ass?
 
Paleocon said:
What's so bad about Russia? Is it the fact that it's a much more Conservative Christian country than us?
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Whats so bad about Russia? Are you serious? :lamo
 
apdst said:
Whats so bad about Russia? Are you serious? :lamo
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Oh come on, apdst, it's not like Russia is controlled by a quasi-dictator with a near Soviet-era mindset.
 
Deuce said:
You sure are obsessed over appearances. Who gives a **** if someone is laughing?
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The world. Leaders. The future actions and inactions of people that might base their decisions on future attacks over whether or not there is a legit concern of response.
 
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