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Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

When did government corruption begin, the kind that has overlapped today.
Surely it must only be Dem corruption in your mind .

Perhaps we should focus one case, which is the central theme of this thread, rather than generalize over past eras or centuries.
 
Every administration seems to have used Agencies to their advantage, whether knowingly or not.

The one thing that I think is a big coverup is Benghazi. That one stinks to high heaven, and as a Republican, I would've concentrated a group effort on that issue. I think the IRS scandal is non starter. Lerner invoking the Fifth and Issa freaking out over Cummings objections is not going anywhere fast.
 
Every administration seems to have used Agencies to their advantage, whether knowingly or not.

The one thing that I think is a big coverup is Benghazi. That one stinks to high heaven, and as a Republican, I would've concentrated a group effort on that issue. I think the IRS scandal is non starter. Lerner invoking the Fifth and Issa freaking out over Cummings objections is not going anywhere fast.

I never noticed Issa 'freak out'. When did that occur? As far as I saw he just walked away.
 
I never noticed Issa 'freak out'. When did that occur? As far as I saw he just walked away.

He had Cummings mic turned off, then started muttering as he stormed away. That's a little bit of a freak out.
 
When did government corruption begin, the kind that has overlapped today.
Surely it must only be Dem corruption in your mind .



I suspect it was way back when Urg took too much of the muskox kill for his mistress Uhm.


The issue is NOT the question of the fallibility of man, the age old "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely", but thank you just the same for the attempted deflection to the meme "Bush did it too."

The question is whether the moral compass of the party allows for an open investigation, which admittedly happens rarely; one of the last times being when much of the Republican caucus voted for a congressional investigation of the Watergate break in. That level of statesmanship is not in any evidence with the Democratic party and again, my thanks for opening up the comparative historical records of the party' as it allows the rest of us to remind the world how the Democrats voted strictly along party lines when their president, Clinton, had committed the high crime of perjury in the obstruction of justice. I do not recall any instances where Republicans conspired to prevent justice where a president had been clearly guilty of a felony.

In the argument that the Republicans are no better, you condemn your own party to mediocrity in that it then results that Obama is no different from those who came before at least, but likely worse for not learning from the mistakes of his predecessors.

In the end, it cannot go unnoticed that not once has any Obama supporter ever admitted that he has erred on any file, including excusing his claim of learning about events on TV, so the credibility of this defense is highly challenged.

Thank you for that post and the opportunity to respond.
 
That's a "little bit" of a freak out...not walking away from harassment!

Thank you for the opportunity to make the comparison.


Oh, he was harassing Cummings. Okay, got it and you're welcome.
 
Nothing. Not any more at any rate.

One has to wonder at the strangeness of raising the Christie meme in a thread about the activities of the IRS, a government agency.

Is this a suggestion that there ARE politicians involved by comparing this to SUSPICIONS about Christie?

If so, the congressional hearings need to be expanded immediately
 
He had Cummings mic turned off, then started muttering as he stormed away. That's a little bit of a freak out.

The meeting was adjourned, Cummings was getting partisan, and everyone was leaving. Saying anyone stormed away is just more hyperbole.
 
If she gets immunity she will probably claim she's the only one who's guilty and lay all the blame on herself. What would be the point of that.

True but she doesn't know what they know so I'm sure immunity is based on the truth.
 
I suspect it was way back when Urg took too much of the muskox kill for his mistress Uhm.


The issue is NOT the question of the fallibility of man, the age old "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely", but thank you just the same for the attempted deflection to the meme "Bush did it too."

The question is whether the moral compass of the party allows for an open investigation, which admittedly happens rarely; one of the last times being when much of the Republican caucus voted for a congressional investigation of the Watergate break in. That level of statesmanship is not in any evidence with the Democratic party and again, my thanks for opening up the comparative historical records of the party' as it allows the rest of us to remind the world how the Democrats voted strictly along party lines when their president, Clinton, had committed the high crime of perjury in the obstruction of justice. I do not recall any instances where Republicans conspired to prevent justice where a president had been clearly guilty of a felony.

In the argument that the Republicans are no better, you condemn your own party to mediocrity in that it then results that Obama is no different from those who came before at least, but likely worse for not learning from the mistakes of his predecessors.

In the end, it cannot go unnoticed that not once has any Obama supporter ever admitted that he has erred on any file, including excusing his claim of learning about events on TV, so the credibility of this defense is highly challenged.

Thank you for that post and the opportunity to respond.

A great reminder that when Nixon did wrong the Republicans backed away from supporting him, yet Democrats did not do that with either Clinton or Obama. Party comes first.
 
The meeting was adjourned, Cummings was getting partisan, and everyone was leaving. Saying anyone stormed away is just more hyperbole.

No, it's fact if you watched the meeting. Issa stopped proceedings before Cummings could comment, immediately after Lerner declined to talk. Issa then had Cummings mic turned off, refused to listen and went away angrily. That's just the way it happened.
 
No, it's fact if you watched the meeting. Issa stopped proceedings before Cummings could comment, immediately after Lerner declined to talk. Issa then had Cummings mic turned off, refused to listen and went away angrily. That's just the way it happened.

No he turned off cummings mike after it was apparent that all Cummings was going to do was fill the time with rantings and no actual questions.
 
No he turned off cummings mike after it was apparent that all Cummings was going to do was fill the time with rantings and no actual questions.

If you watched the meeting, he didn't even give Cummings a chance to say anything.
 
No, it's fact if you watched the meeting. Issa stopped proceedings before Cummings could comment, immediately after Lerner declined to talk. Issa then had Cummings mic turned off, refused to listen and went away angrily. That's just the way it happened.


I must disagree. Cummings insisted on being heard after the meeting was declared adjourned. The mike was turned back on. Cummings went into a rant and Issa simply got up and left.

You realize we can see this right?

Issa, Cummings clash at hearing after ex-IRS official Lerner takes 5th | Fox News
 
And what truth are we not getting?

that there is no scandal to be found

not even a smidgen

[anyone else hear an echo?]
 
actually, and this is admittedly rare, cummings made an excellent point, and asked a pertinent question, deserving of consideration by the committee: what would be the detriment of listening to lerner's attorney's proffer. after spending $14 million thus far and having nothing to show for it, why not learn what potentially beneficial information could be available by hearing the proffer

What? A whole $14 million you say? They spent $3 million on shrimp treadmills, Watergate had spent some $8 million in February of 1974, any guess what that would be in today's money?

I say trying to feign fiscal responsibility only when demo's and the WH may be in the cross hairs, is telling.
 
Is there a logical reason why Lerner is showing up, then refusing to talk again? What a waste of time on everyone's part!

Greetings, Fearandloathing. :2wave:




We can only speculate, but the opening question seems odd, and taking the fifth out of the gate would suggest there has been a verbal agreement that somehow went awry.
I get the impression she is trying to avoid perjury charges stemming from her first appearance, but the Republicans for whatever reason are holding he feet to the fire, which if there is any suggestion the White House is involved, is a very stupid move.

I doubt very much Cumming's orchestrated objections will have much impact beyond the chattering Obamalemmings.
 
actually, and this is admittedly rare, cummings made an excellent point, and asked a pertinent question, deserving of consideration by the committee: what would be the detriment of listening to lerner's attorney's proffer. after spending $14 million thus far and having nothing to show for it, why not learn what potentially beneficial information could be available by hearing the proffer

Actually, we do have something to show for it. Lois Lerner has admitted that she broke the law. The American people deserve to know what laws she et. el. broke and justice needs to be dealt out.

As far as Cummings is concerned, his outburst today was out of fear. He knows that if the truth comes out, some people are going down. He might be one of them.
 
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