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Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

Fletch said:
Please. Drop the drama.
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that drama was the reality
something many of those on the right choose to avoid
like issa avoiding the truth
 
Drama begets drama, after your many accusations.
Meanwhile, you can bet Cantor/Boehner are furious at I$$A for looking like the buffoon that he was today.
America sees the one-sided discussions here, cutting off mics .
Fletch said:
Please. Drop the drama.
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justabubba said:
what a stupid proposition, that civil servants relinquish their Constitutional rights
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What a stupid interpretation of the situation.

Civil servants should only relinquish their 5th amendment rights when it comes to the people's work they do, for which they are paid by the people. She is a spokesman for the IRS in this situation. Should the IRS have the right to withhold its actions and procedures from us altogether? Should it be free to act as they wish without threat of recourse?
 
Erod said:
What a stupid interpretation of the situation.
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Since the GOP House is incapable of anything these days, let's take this 5th amendment doscussion to the USSC, along with any 'scandals' you want .
 
Erod said:
What a stupid interpretation of the situation.

Civil servants should only relinquish their 5th amendment rights when it comes to the people's work they do, for which they are paid by the people. She is a spokesman for the IRS in this situation. Should the IRS have the right to withhold its actions and procedures from us altogether? Should it be free to act as they wish without threat of recourse?
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while i agree it is a stupid position, it is yours
that a civil servant should not be able to invoke the fifth amendment against self incrimination
so many on the far right are now revealing they are opposed to the provisions of the US Constitution
pathetic
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
So you are in favor of denying the rights of a American citizen?;)
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Not if you are a taxpayer-paid representative of the Internal Revenue Service, and you are asked to discuss your actions as an employee of the people. In any other facet of her life, of course she has those rights.

This really isn't hard.

But this is the typical liberal tactic taught well by Alinsky. Distract and deploy a different narrative, just like Cummings is attempting with Issa. Get the conversation clouded up so the mainstream media can talk about ANYTHING but the gross abuse of Lerner's authority as an IRS Director.
 
Erod said:
Not if you are a taxpayer-paid representative of the Internal Revenue Service, and you are asked to discuss your actions as an employee of the people. In any other facet of her life, of course she has those rights.

This really isn't hard.

But this is the typical liberal tactic taught well by Alinsky. Distract and deploy a different narrative, just like Cummings is attempting with Issa. Get the conversation clouded up so the mainstream media can talk about ANYTHING but the gross abuse of Lerner's authority as an IRS Director.
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no, what this is is more right wing hypocrisy
standing on the nation's Constitution - until it prevents them from getting what they want
 
justabubba said:
while i agree it is a stupid position, it is yours
that a civil servant should not be able to invoke the fifth amendment against self incrimination
so many on the far right are now revealing they are opposed to the provisions of the US Constitution
pathetic
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Celebrities don't have the same right to privacy we have. A cop has additional responsibilities to follow as a citizen than we have. Government employees have certain transparencies that they must provide in their jobs versus you and me.

An election may have been impacted, intentionally, by her actions. This is FAR bigger than just Lois Lerner.

Do you not get that?

She is not just an individual here. She is a spokesperson and leader of a government agency that can openly look at our personal life in great detail.
 
Lutherf said:
Lerner's attorney had sent Issa a response indicating that she would testify.
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That is what Issa said, not what the attorney said
March 2, 2014 Rep. Darrell Issa doesn’t know what he’s talking about, the attorney for former IRS official Lois Lerner said Sunday.

Issa, the California Republican who chairs the House Oversight and Reform Committee, told “Fox News Sunday” that Lerner, the former head of the IRS tax-exempt division, would testify before his committee Wednesday, which he said he had been told by her attorney.

That attorney, William W. Taylor, said Issa is wrong.

“As of now, she intends to continue to assert her Fifth Amendment rights,” Taylor told POLITICO. “I do not know why Issa said what he said.”
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justabubba said:
no, what this is is more right wing hypocrisy
standing on the nation's Constitution - until it prevents them from getting what they want
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So in other words, the government can do whatever it damn well pleases, and we have absolutely no recourse to ask questions to the leaders of our government agencies.

If so, we're screwed.
 
Erod said:
Celebrities don't have the same right to privacy we have. A cop has additional responsibilities to follow as a citizen than we have. Government employees have certain transparencies that they must provide in their jobs versus you and me.

An election may have been impacted, intentionally, by her actions. This is FAR bigger than just Lois Lerner.

Do you not get that?

She is not just an individual here. She is a spokesperson and leader of a government agency that can openly look at our personal life in great detail.
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Name a single conservative group that had its tax free status revoked.
 
justabubba said:
no, cummings was cut off very soon after he began his remarks
does issa get to form his questions for him?
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Cummings started in on the Republican party when it is a bi-partisan commission and all after the meeting was adjourned because of Lerner's unwillingness to testify. He was right to be cut off for those two reasons, a third being possible if being a fool is taken into account.
 
How many employees get to keep their jobs after refusing to testify to their employers dereliction of duty or other illegal activity?
 
Slyhunter said:
How many employees get to keep their jobs after refusing to testify to their employers dereliction of duty or other illegal activity?
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There seem to be a great many people who support corruption in government. Any idea of their political leanings?
 
Grant said:
Cummings started in on the Republican party when it is a bi-partisan commission
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Nobody in D.C. believes this I$$A court is bi-partisan .
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I don't know why but Lerner is going to spill the beans. This IRS scandal may finaly see the light of day. Obama better start a war or something.:lol:


"Former Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner, a central figure in the IRS scandal, will appear before Congress Wednesday after refusing to testify last year on the matter, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Sunday.

Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, told “Fox News Sunday” that Lerner’s lawyers said she will testify before his committee, after saying last week that she would not.
“It’s going to be a good, fact-finding hearing,” he said.
Issa said he didn’t know why Lerner’s lawyers changed their mind, but suggested Lerner testifying was “in her best interest,” considering the recent evidence the committee had gathered."

EXCLUSIVE: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal | Fox News
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I don't think she's testifying and probably a smart move by her attorney to try and get some kind of immunity. I'm pretty sure it won't be good for anyone involved if she does.
 
Going back in time to Saul Alinsky, when your party has been throwing hundreds of millions in mud so far this election season,
removes you from serious discussion .
Grant said:
Personal attacks rather than dealing with a very important issue at hand. That's straight from the Saul Alinsky playbook.
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sneakosview said:
I don't think she's testifying and probably a smart move by her attorney to try and get some kind of immunity. I'm pretty sure it won't be good for anyone involved if she does.
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If she gets immunity she will probably claim she's the only one who's guilty and lay all the blame on herself. What would be the point of that.
 
When did government corruption begin, the kind that has overlapped today.
Surely it must only be Dem corruption in your mind .
Grant said:
There seem to be a great many people who support corruption in government. Any idea of their political leanings?
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NIMBY said:
Nobody in D.C. believes this I$$A court is bi-partisan .
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Do you have a link to this? Why is trying to find the truth "partisan"?

If there is any partisanship here it is those who are supporting the IRS from disclosing the methods they use to investigate political groups. This is third world stuff.
 
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