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Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

24107 said:
al Qaeda right now compromise the bulk of the rebels fighting the Syrian government.

are you here solely as a disinformation agent?
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No, al Qaeda does not. Do not assume Sunni fighters (varying degrees of radicalism) are all al Qaeda.:peace
 
OldWorldOrder said:
No, I'm not deflecting from the larger point, I'm focusing on your hypocrisy. So you wouldn't have minded if the US government opened fire during the Seattle WTO protests? That's now your stance. You who decries the American killing of American citizens overseas associated with terrorism- you don't mind them shooting at violent protesters. So what's the difference, then?
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I don't believe the Seattle crowd was injuring police, otherwise they too would have been fired upon.
 
Montecresto said:
We have for example right now terrorists working to overthrow president Assad in Syria, they're protesters too aren't they.
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Armed combatants in a full blown civil war who might have connections to terrorist organizations who seek to harm me and other Americans aren’t the same as the protestors and new government in Ukraine. You want to keep arguing moral equivalency?
 
GPS_Flex said:
Armed combatants in a full blown civil war who might have connections to terrorist organizations who seek to harm me and other Americans aren’t the same as the protestors and new government in Ukraine. You want to keep arguing moral equivalency?
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It all started the same way. And dude really. The protesters turned terrorists in Syria aren't coming to get you. Relax.
 
24107 said:
It is more credible than you, sorry :peace
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Wrong again, but I prefer not to parade my credentials. I don't mind, however, parading yours.

Globalresearch.ca - RationalWiki

Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as a left-wing equivalent to WingNutDaily. It is the website of the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), founded by Michel Chossudovsky.
The website describes itself as an "independent research and media organization." Globalresearch.ca takes pride in being a reliable "alternative news" source serving as a major repository of a broad range of "news articles, in-depth reports and analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media" (such as the New World Order). Its politico-economic stance is strongly anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-militarist, "internationalist but anti-globalization." Its view of science, the economy and geopolitics seems to be broadly conspiracist.
While many of Globalresearch.ca's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping and bull**** throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from "Russia Today", along with other unreliable and/or open sources.
Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch.ca mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order. Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11, vaccines, genetic modification, Zionism, HAARP, global warming, and David Kelly. Analyses of these issues tend follow the lines of the site's political biases.
Apparently, contributors to Globalresearch.ca consider information sourced from anyone who seems aligned to their ideology as reliable; during the 2011 Libyan civil war the site was an apologist for Muammar al-Gaddafi, reproducing his propaganda and painting him as a paragon of a modern leader. It's no surprise then that the site has long become a magnet for radicals, fringe figures and crank elements from the left in general. And ironically, it has more in common with its writers' enemies and wingnut rivals than they would ever admit.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
The site in your link is not credible. Sorry.:peace
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Might not be credible, but we all know that there are levels of evil in that region. Carter thought he was doing the right thing by helping to change leadership in Iraq and Iran. Those were brutal leaders... against those elements that spawned terrorism. They kept the cork on the international terrorism bottle. The feces hit the rotary oscillator when leaderships changed over there.

Now look at what we aided in Libya with that initial volley of 112 cruise missiles, and continued support. Qaddafi was by far, not a good man, but he maintained stability, and actually had a great growing economy. What was once a relatively stable region, is now a disaster. We are aiding inn destabilizing the entire middle east.

Our western leaders, with their progressive elitist world leaders, with their view of PC morality, are destroying this world. Some progress needs to take pace at a natural race for a culture, and cannot be forced.
 
Jack Hays said:
Wrong again, but I prefer not to parade my credentials. I don't mind, however, parading yours.

Globalresearch.ca - RationalWiki

Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as a left-wing equivalent to WingNutDaily. It is the website of the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), founded by Michel Chossudovsky.
The website describes itself as an "independent research and media organization." Globalresearch.ca takes pride in being a reliable "alternative news" source serving as a major repository of a broad range of "news articles, in-depth reports and analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media" (such as the New World Order). Its politico-economic stance is strongly anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-militarist, "internationalist but anti-globalization." Its view of science, the economy and geopolitics seems to be broadly conspiracist.
While many of Globalresearch.ca's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping and bull**** throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from "Russia Today", along with other unreliable and/or open sources.
Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch.ca mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order. Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11, vaccines, genetic modification, Zionism, HAARP, global warming, and David Kelly. Analyses of these issues tend follow the lines of the site's political biases.
Apparently, contributors to Globalresearch.ca consider information sourced from anyone who seems aligned to their ideology as reliable; during the 2011 Libyan civil war the site was an apologist for Muammar al-Gaddafi, reproducing his propaganda and painting him as a paragon of a modern leader. It's no surprise then that the site has long become a magnet for radicals, fringe figures and crank elements from the left in general. And ironically, it has more in common with its writers' enemies and wingnut rivals than they would ever admit.:peace
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I don't agree with your source :peace
 
Montecresto said:
I don't believe the Seattle crowd was injuring police, otherwise they too would have been fired upon.
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That's very interesting. So you don't disagree with the al-Awlaki killing?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Might not be credible, but we all know that there are levels of evil in that region. Carter thought he was doing the right thing by helping to change leadership in Iraq and Iran. Those were brutal leaders... against those elements that spawned terrorism. They kept the cork on the international terrorism bottle. The feces hit the rotary oscillator when leaderships changed over there.

Now look at what we aided in Libya with that initial volley of 112 cruise missiles, and continued support. Qaddafi was by far, not a good man, but he maintained stability, and actually had a great growing economy. What was once a relatively stable region, is now a disaster. We are aiding inn destabilizing the entire middle east.

Our western leaders, with their progressive elitist world leaders, with their view of PC morality, are destroying this world. Some progress needs to take pace at a natural race for a culture, and cannot be forced.
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There's enough in that post for about four threads. I agree with some of it but no apology for getting rid of Qaddhafi.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
There's enough in that post for about four threads. I agree with some of it but no apology for getting rid of Qaddhafi.:peace
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I agree this is a discussion for a different thread, but I thought it would be helpful to remind people that US involvement often has worse results than expected. I will disagree with you on Gaddafi as I see him as a mellowed man over the years. Where is that old thread. Might be interesting to disuses how things are going now.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I agree this is a discussion for a different thread, but I thought it would be helpful to remind people that US involvement often has worse results than expected. I will disagree with you on Gaddafi as I see him as a mellowed man over the years. Where is that old thread. Might be interesting to disuses how things are going now.
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There's no mellowing from PA 103.:peace
 
Lord of Planar said:
I agree this is a discussion for a different thread, but I thought it would be helpful to remind people that US involvement often has worse results than expected. I will disagree with you on Gaddafi as I see him as a mellowed man over the years. Where is that old thread. Might be interesting to disuses how things are going now.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...tacks-benghazi-could-have-been-prevented.html

heavy traffic on this thread. there are quite a few on Libya
 
Jack Hays said:
They'll work it out. The early years of US independence weren't a picnic either.
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Its been a decade, Iraq is also still worse of than it was under saddam, al Qaeda now has a stronghold in Iraq :peace
 
Jack Hays said:
There's no mellowing from PA 103.:peace
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So...

Am I to understand you believe in revenge, over an incident that was never proven to be under his direction?

Doesn't sound like you are interested in justice.

The word of one man, Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, claiming Gaddafi ordered it... That because a prominent part of the restructuring? maybe he had an agenda.
 
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