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Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

I wonder what Putin would do if UN troops were deployed in Ukraine.

Nothing, he has what he can reasonably get. The UN will not start shooting, to remove Russian forces, so by in large Russia is there for as long as it wants
 
Russia is a big seller of crude oil and natural gas. Russia also has access to the global markets. The EU almost certainly won't sanction Russia's oil and natural gas sales, as it would have a large energy gap to fill. Russia's growing trade from China also won't be impacted.

Also, we agree that Putin is not stupid. I don't see him going beyond Crimea unless other events precipitated such a move. One example might be other sections in Ukraine trying to break away and Ukraine's using force to try to quash the separation. Another might involve some kind of Ukrainian military effort to try to reassert control over Crimea (a reckless gamble that would be certain to fail).

Crimea will not be part of Russia and Putin will leave voluntarily or be shunned as a nation. Don 't underestimate the damage that would do. I doubt his regime will survive it.
 
Crimea will not be part of Russia and Putin will leave voluntarily or be shunned as a nation. Don 't underestimate the damage that would do. I doubt his regime will survive it.

People, fearful of any negative consequences, will soon accept it as the new normal.
 
People, fearful of any negative consequences, will soon accept it as the new normal.

Maybe in your mind but the truth will be much different. Cool heads does not signal indifference.
 
Maybe in your mind but the truth will be much different. Cool heads does not signal indifference.

Russia has the best circumstances to invade the Crimea and no one can do much about it. Crimea called itself the Russian troops.
The situation is too complicated. "They are not invading Ukraine."
 
There is no group in the world fearful of UN troops, except for underage little girls.

Resorting to sexist insults? :doh
 
Russia has the best circumstances to invade the Crimea and no one can do much about it. Crimea called itself the Russian troops.
The situation is too complicated. "They are not invading Ukraine."

That's not what the Ukrainian Govt. and the rest of the world is saying. They left Georgia and they will leave Crimea too.

Russian troops have withdrawn from a Georgian town which they had occupied since a brief war between the two countries in 2008.
Georgian officials said the Russians pulled out from Perevi, which is located just outside Georgia's breakaway South Ossetia region.
Moscow and Tbilisi agreed after the war that their troops would move back to their pre-conflict positions.

BBC News - Russian troops withdraw from Georgian town
 
Why the **** would we want to? That's what I can't figure out about the right-wingers here. What do they want to happen?

That's easy! They don't want to intervene, because it's not our problem, but they think that Putin only invaded Crimea because Obama showed weakness in Syria - where they also don't want to intervene - by backing down and giving them what they wanted by not getting involved.

You gotta love that consistency :roll:
 
That's not what the Ukrainian Govt. and the rest of the world is saying. They left Georgia and they will leave Crimea too.

What they wanted in Georgia was nothing more than to flex their muscles and perhaps expand their influence. Crimea is Russian, and there's no reason they won't take it.
 
What they wanted in Georgia was nothing more than to flex their muscles and perhaps expand their influence. Crimea is Russian, and there's no reason they won't take it.

They signed a treaty saying they would not. I think that is enough of a reason don't you? You don't agree with Putin on this do you?
 
They signed a treaty saying they would not. I think that is enough of a reason don't you? You don't agree with Putin on this do you?

Crimea called itself the Russian troops.
It's not the same case as Georgia.
 
Try the House caucus.
Democratic Rep. Travis Childers from Mississippi voted against the ACA.
Once again, mister v speaks with forked tongue .
Whatever. Did it pass with only democrat support? If so my position remains correct.
How many Republicans voted for the monstrosity?
 
They signed a treaty saying they would not. I think that is enough of a reason don't you? You don't agree with Putin on this do you?

They signed a treaty saying they would not intervene in the Ukraine.

I think that ship has sailed.

Agree with Putin on what? I don't think Russia should be allowed to invade it's neighbors at will, if that's what you're asking.
 
Former Rep. Childers has more integrity than that.
This is why he is a BlueDog with a decent chance to be competitive in the Mississippi Senate race.
All democrats are frauds. But one must fool the people, right?

It sure does matter.
Do you support Sen. McConnell filibustering a Veteran's bill last week with a poison pill ?
It does not matter. Only winning the Article stands any chance of fixing what is wrong with the nation.
 
Russia is a big seller of crude oil and natural gas. Russia also has access to the global markets. The EU almost certainly won't sanction Russia's oil and natural gas sales, as it would have a large energy gap to fill. Russia's growing trade from China also won't be impacted.

Also, we agree that Putin is not stupid. I don't see him going beyond Crimea unless other events precipitated such a move. One example might be other sections in Ukraine trying to break away and Ukraine's using force to try to quash the separation. Another might involve some kind of Ukrainian military effort to try to reassert control over Crimea (a reckless gamble that would be certain to fail).

That is a sound assessment of the situation. There is a lot more involved here than asking and proclaiming who is the good guy and who is the bad guy? Regardless of what I might personally think of Putin and the Russians, I can not let any my feelings get in the way of what I know is really going on. Right now, I see the ball is really in the court of the more extremist elements in this most recent revolt in Ukraine, and their new government will have to come to terms with them before it need worry about the Russians. Instead of constantly chastising Putin, we need to pray that he works with Obama and is also able to contain the nationalist fervor within his own ranks. In all of the challenges of the last couple of decades, I see this one as being the match that lights the powder keg of a most horrible exchange, begun by miscalculation, should cooler heads not prevail.
 
Why should the US choose which direction Ukraine goes?

Because we don't want major regional powers invading their neighbors at will, especially when we promised those neighbors protection in return for disarmament.
 
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