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Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

well got to agree banning flags wont make you safer from organized crime
 
Well you certainly can't be surprised.
Don't you just love the putrid smell of multiculturalism rotting out in the fields? American flags are now seen as a divisive symbol at American public schools:


Today’s Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School Dist. (9th Cir. Feb. 27, 2014) upholds a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. . . .

At least one party to this appeal, student M.D., wore American flag clothing to school on Cinco de Mayo 2009. M.D. was approached by a male student who, in the words of the district court, “shoved a Mexican flag at him and said something in Spanish expressing anger at [M.D.’s] clothing.

In the aftermath of the students’ departure from school, they received numerous threats from other students. D.G. was threatened by text message on May 6, and the same afternoon, received a threatening phone call from a caller saying he was outside of D.G.’s home. D.M. and M.D. were likewise threatened with violence, and a student at Live Oak overheard a group of classmates saying that some gang members would come down from San Jose to “take care of” the students. Because of these threats, the students did not go to school on May 7.

We hold that school officials, namely Rodriguez, did not act unconstitutionally, under either the First Amendment or Article I, § 2(a) of the California Constitution, in asking students to turn their shirts inside out, remove them, or leave school for the day with an excused absence in order to prevent substantial disruption or violence at school.​

This is a classic “heckler’s veto” — thugs threatening to attack the speaker, and government officials suppressing the speech to prevent such violence. “Heckler’s vetoes” are generally not allowed under First Amendment law; the government should generally protect the speaker and threaten to arrest the thugs, not suppress the speaker’s speech. But under Tinker‘s “forecast substantial disruption” test, such a heckler’s veto is indeed allowed.​
 
Look at the force levels. Simply because a scenario can be conjured up in one's imagination (not yours, but a historian's) doesn't make it plausible. Hey, Canada might take over the United States too. It has an an entire military establishment with troops and equipment parked right on our Northern border.

How does France replenish troops, how does France resupply, how does France keep secure the supply lines from Veracruz up into the American Southwest? Can their landed troops simultaneously keep control of Mexico and launch a land war?

That's why they need a base of operations in Mexico.

and the US has a powerful military now, but this was in the beginning of our civil war. Fighting off the French while at the same time fighting a civil war could have been a bit much, even for the mighty USA.
 
Another leftist who doesn't know the difference between race and culture. Incredible!!
It is a tactic used to stifle free speech, it prevents you from speaking the truth.
 
Sounds like some other folks were spoiling for a right, and that they were using the American flag to do so.

Asserting patriotism doesn't mean that one is spoiling for a fight. If you see me swearing at liberals and you tell me to watch my language, that doesn't mean that you're looking to rumble, it means that you're trying to asset common decency in public discussions.

The principle of America before Mexico SHOULD be universally held by all Americans. Reminding Mexican-Americans of where their allegiance SHOULD lie does not mean that one is looking for a gang brawl.
 
It is a horrible decision. What the federal court rules is that a school can dictate what political statements in clothing students may and may not express. The school and students may support Cinco de Mayo, but ban any student from opposing it.

Accordingly, the school could support wearing crosses at Christmas and ban Jewish symbols claiming this to avoid conflicts between the majority Christians with the Jewish kids - which we know that same court would not allow.

The overall collapse of integrity in the federals courts for partisan rulings is another indication of the collapse of American society and institutions.
 
Asserting patriotism doesn't mean that one is spoiling for a fight. If you see me swearing at liberals and you tell me to watch my language, that doesn't mean that you're looking to rumble, it means that you're trying to asset common decency in public discussions.

The principle of America before Mexico SHOULD be universally held by all Americans. Reminding Mexican-Americans of where their allegiance SHOULD lie does not mean that one is looking for a gang brawl.

I'm not aware of any other country where students are warned not to wear their national flag on the clothing. That certainly wouldn't happen in Mexico.

The closest I've heard of something similar was when Muslims threatened action if a British town flew the flag of St. George. The town did acquiesce to the Muslims at first but eventually, after protests from residents, flew it without any Muslim problems at all. Sometimes taking the proper stand takes a little courage but the outcomes are generally worth it.
 
How does banning the American Flag in The United States Of America make schools safer?

Easy to answer, we banned prayer because we are all lizards, we banned recess because it is too violent and banning the flag prevents pride in one's own country as pride leads to boasting and boasting often leads to physical confrontation. Now why millions (many Mexicans) have fought and died trying to live in the land where that flag flies is still a mystery.
 
Easy to answer, we banned prayer because we are all lizards, we banned recess because it is too violent and banning the flag prevents pride in one's own country as pride leads to boasting and boasting often leads to physical confrontation. Now why millions (many Mexicans) have fought and died trying to live in the land where that flag flies is still a mystery.

Prayer, recess, and the flag have been banned? When did that happen? I always had a flag displayed in my classroom, was expected to lead the pledge every morning, kids went out to recess every day, and one of my colleagues led prayer circles around the flag in the mornings before school started, all this in an elementary school that is overwhelmingly Hispanic.

When did all that change?
 
I would however, put the wearing the American flag on a day to celebrate Mexican heritage was either stupid or intended to get the response it did. Acting to prevent a race war from breaking out may not have been the worst idea in the world.

The problem isn't wearing the American, it's celebrating Cinco de Mayo.
 
The problem isn't wearing the American, it's celebrating Cinco de Mayo.

no that's fine the problem is being an asshole just because some one is not celebrating cinco de mayo
 
What kind of "patriots" are these kids anyway?

"The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America ..."

" ...The flag should not be used as "wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery" ..."

" ...The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, ..."
 
Asserting patriotism doesn't mean that one is spoiling for a fight. If you see me swearing at liberals and you tell me to watch my language, that doesn't mean that you're looking to rumble, it means that you're trying to asset common decency in public discussions.

The principle of America before Mexico SHOULD be universally held by all Americans. Reminding Mexican-Americans of where their allegiance SHOULD lie does not mean that one is looking for a gang brawl.

Or it means that the poster, and those who support that argument, have little regard for the intelligence and decency of the Mexican people.
 
I would however, put the wearing the American flag on a day to celebrate Mexican heritage was either stupid or intended to get the response it did. Acting to prevent a race war from breaking out may not have been the worst idea in the world.

It's free speech. Would you also oppose people wearing a Mexican flag on The 4th of July?
 
This is a freedom of expression issue to me. It is not justifiable for the school to claim that such a thing as wearing the American flag on clothing is going to honestly cause a "race war" to any reasonable person unless the staff of the school allowed the school to reach that level of lack of discipline/racial(ethnic) tension to begin with. It does not matter what the students' intent for wearing the flag clothing was, it should be allowed.

That being said, if there was more to what actually caused the student(s) to get expelled than just wearing the flag, then that makes it a different matter. But the school still should not be allowed to ban clothing such as wearing a flag shirt to school just to appease other groups of students. For it to reach such a level, there is a major problem with the school atmosphere that banning clothing will not solve.

You're right that it demonstrates a greater failing to create a safe learning environment. That being said, I personally favor law and order over freedom of expression. Safety, authority, and discipline first.
 
It's free speech. Would you also oppose people wearing a Mexican flag on The 4th of July?

If large numbers of them were doing it to incite reaction at a school which we have reasons to believe would spark a terrible incident, I think we ought to consider that restriction. Order, authority, discipline, safety first.
 
You're right that it demonstrates a greater failing to create a safe learning environment. That being said, I personally favor law and order over freedom of expression. Safety, authority, and discipline first.

Where does teaching and respect for others come in?
 
Where does teaching and respect for others come in?

Everything has its limits. Faith in man's good nature only goes so far. Personally, I have far less faith in humans than most people, so I am being exceedingly generous to the notion that I would be wary of restricting clothing choices. However, if for some reason it permeates the culture of violence, then restricting its access may be needed. We restrict a great many things in the school due to safety concerns, including gang-related violence.
 
Everything has its limits. Faith in man's good nature only goes so far. Personally, I have far less faith in humans than most people, so I am being exceedingly generous to the notion that I would be wary of restricting clothing choices. However, if for some reason it permeates the culture of violence, then restricting its access may be needed. We restrict a great many things in the school due to safety concerns, including gang-related violence.

Few are supportive of gang-related violence but many students also rebel against authority if it is not conducted properly. My experience was that I paid more attention to teachers who made the class interesting and found those who relied on authority and discipline to be inferior at their jobs.
 
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