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Obama Launches ‘My Brother’s Keeper’ to Help young Minority Men.....

I saw Obama at the conference, opening up about challenges facing black youth; he used his own past as an example of what not to do.

One of the few times I could actually stand to watch him, as he is so usually self aggrandizing ( as are politicians in general)
.Refreshing for once, and he didn't put me to sleep like he normally does
 
Summerwind said:
I've said before and I'll say one more time just for you. The project should include ALL impoverished youth. I've never said otherwise.

That said, to suggest that white young men face the same degree of hardship as black and latino young men is to be entirely foolish. So I'm also never going to forget about that during discussions.
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To use a Liberal tactic, so you're saying that white kids in a Black or Brown or Red or Yellow neighborhood don't stand out.
Maybe you're okay with poor white kids internalizing their plight.
I've seen the damage done with that.

I've taught poor white kids for decades and I'm here to tell you that they DO stand out.
Clothes, School Supplies, Hungry, no extra-curriculars, bullied by their own race--the list is endless .
 
Was this the correct event for President Obama to 'come out' over getting high ?
 
This is not a bad thing, but Native Americans are still being ignored. In many cases it's a cultural problem.
 
Well...first, kudos for finally engaging the 'community. It only took 5 years. Second...cant help but applaud the effort and third, good job bringing in private sector donations and participants.

Now...I.m shocked...shocked I tell ya...that the rest of his efforts played on the poor 'victims' that have been oppressed by the legal system. SHOCKED I say!!!
 
Grant said:
This is not a bad thing, but Native Americans are still being ignored. In many cases it's a cultural problem.
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And the Hmong...them too...
 
NIMBY said:
Was this the correct event for President Obama to 'come out' over getting high ?
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Im trying to figure out if it was a coincidence or he was being intentionally ironic that the event was held on Fathers Day.

In all seriousness...good on him for the initiative.
 
CalGun said:
They left already has the votes this supports; unless they have some internal polling that says the guilt vote is finally going away?
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Mornin Cal.
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This morning they released coverage of some kid Obama talked to. Already this guy said.....all due to Obama telling him. That he could do something with his life now. That he is ready to do something.

So as you can see the propaganda was already set up and ready to go for question an answer time.
 
Objective Voice said:
They don't. However, my point is such programs have long been far more accessible to young White boys than they have been to young Black boys. Don't confuse "access" with "restriction".
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That's not so. The door is open. It is up to you to walk through it.
 
annata said:
I saw Obama at the conference, opening up about challenges facing black youth; he used his own past as an example of what not to do.

One of the few times I could actually stand to watch him, as he is so usually self aggrandizing ( as are politicians in general)
.Refreshing for once, and he didn't put me to sleep like he normally does
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Some were saying this is an executive order today, too.


Plight of US minority youths an 'outrage': Obama

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His initiative is being billed as part of his new strategy to use his executive powers to enforce political change, given that much of his domestic agenda is being blocked by Republicans in Congress.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/plight-minori...;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3
 
Grant said:
This is not a bad thing, but Native Americans are still being ignored. In many cases it's a cultural problem.
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Mornin' Grant :2wave: .....do you think it takes his executive Powers to do something like this?
 
MMC said:
Mornin' Grant :2wave: .....do you think it takes his executive Powers to do something like this?
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I'd think any high profile and well known person could start such a program.
 
MMC said:
Mornin' DH :2wave: Yeah without using an Executive Order, huh?
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Without using an executive order, just as long as they're serious about private funding. I'm a bit suspicious that the end goal is yet another government funded program, but that could be wrong. My cynicism steers me wrong as much as 5% of the time.
 
How many thousand times has this been done with the end results always the same. Why is the type of thing necessary meaning what will it take to motivate them to act on their own. There are literally thousands of organizations big and small telling them something as basic as "no education-no job". They need a monitor to tell them that? As long as the lack of a family structure smothers the blacks they will continue to be lost. They have very little hope and will always be less than what they could be and no ra-ra speech will change them. Shameful as it is to think the first black president says "I used to get high" when if he was a man he could be saying "the temptation was everywhere but I drew strength from within as a proud young black man and resisted". They are truly in grave danger.
 
clownboy said:
Wow, exactly NONE of those orgs are white only. You didn't answer the question because it breaks your little hate script.
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Never said they were exclusively "Whites only" organizations. However, there can be no denying that access to the aforementioned organizations had long been afforded to Whites long before Blacks were accepted. That was my point which clearly eluded you.
 
clownboy said:
I'm not seeing that. It's about teaching the kids not to make the same mistakes that are being made all around them. Showing them there are different answers than the ones their parents and neighbors chose. Giving them more options and teaching them how to choose successfully and consciously, not just by default.
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If you honestly believe what you've posted above given the objective of the program, why are you so opposed to it?
 
Summerwind said:
I see that is the goal, and I've said it is an honorable one. However, it's like the bull so many students are told about getting higher education. So they do, they incur outrageous amounts of debt to do so, get out and can't find a job that pays more than $12/hr because the reality is that the $60K they paid for a bachelors was only worth $4 hour more than a high school education. So I fear the same thing will happen here. They may get "proper" life instruction, but upon application, real life will hit them in the face and they'll find that the "old" ways were more effective in assuring their overall financial and personal "value".

I personally know a man right now, 56 yo, white, jewish, struggling everyday not to commit suicide because he did everything right, and yet can't find a job to save his ass. His savings is long gone, his unemployment insurance ended, and because there are grads in his field who have no choice but to work for $12 an hour have squeezed him right out of the market. Working at Walmart won't come close to paying his bills so he's going to give up. He's got the date all planned.

Now if the economy is hitting this man who was never previously unemployed, had the education, the proper values taught to him, and lived a period of his life with those choices having paid off, is now at his wits end because it's all gone and it's turned out to be all lies....

I don't see how we're going to be able to keep young men or women of any color, who have seen the "success" of the wrong way of life, remaining willing to embrace the "failures" of the right way of life.
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What you've arguing isn't online with individual responsibility. You're arguing a lack of upward mobility from within the workforce...that myth of "hiring from within" for those employees who do work hard, are passionate about their work, who remain loyal and dedicated and aren't rewarded with a promotion but instead are led to believe they're lucky to either be receiving a raise or to even have a job. This is what most blue collar and some white collar workers 45 yr of age and older are being told - the folks who make up a large portion of the middle-class many of which are being forced out of the labor force such as the guy you described. It's not about going back to "the old ways." It's about companies valuing profits over people.
 
Objective Voice said:
What you've arguing isn't online with individual responsibility. You're arguing a lack of upward mobility from within the workforce...that myth of "hiring from within" for those employees who do work hard, are passionate about their work, who remain loyal and dedicated and aren't rewarded with a promotion but instead are led to believe they're lucky to either be receiving a raise or to even have a job. This is what most blue collar and some white collar workers 45 yr of age and older are being told - the folks who make up a large portion of the middle-class many of which are being forced out of the labor force such as the guy you described. It's not about going back to "the old ways." It's about companies valuing profits over people.
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You've entirely misunderstood. When discussing "old" ways in paragraph one, I was referring the the previous lifestyles of impoverished youth: crime and providers of black market products for "sinners".


The gentlemen of 54 is brought into the discussion to show that if even a middle-aged, white, educated, make-all-the-right choices male is at his wits end due to the no longer reasonable expectation that making the right choices will assure a fair and reasonable life and old-age, then why would anyone be telling our youth what is turning out to be a huge lie.

And the end point we are both making is the same, why would anyone seeing the collapse of the middle class, who've tried to do everything right, suggest that personal choice is the only thing holding back the impoverished youth of our country. It's the oligarchy, the corporatism, the inequality of opportunity and equity, and even if/when all those impoverished youth make better choices, they are only going to find that they were lied to. Making better choices is proving to not be all it's cracked up to be in the long run.
 
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rhinefire said:
How many thousand times has this been done with the end results always the same. Why is the type of thing necessary meaning what will it take to motivate them to act on their own. There are literally thousands of organizations big and small telling them something as basic as "no education-no job". They need a monitor to tell them that? As long as the lack of a family structure smothers the blacks they will continue to be lost. They have very little hope and will always be less than what they could be and no ra-ra speech will change them. Shameful as it is to think the first black president says "I used to get high" when if he was a man he could be saying "the temptation was everywhere but I drew strength from within as a proud young black man and resisted". They are truly in grave danger.
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The past three presidents got high as kids. This is nothing new.
 
MaggieD said:
I think it's a wonderful thing. Young black men need all the help they can muster to get them out of their inner-city jungles and into mainstream society. I love the name. Don't know why this didn't happen years ago.
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That's my thoughts. This is about.... 5 years wanting, for this administration. but better late than never and I hope that it doesn't follow the typical success pattern of this kind of government program.
 
Summerwind said:
On the other hand conservatives are always complaining about the cycle of non-participating fathers in the minority communities, then complain and bitch when someone tries to do something about it. I could understand if you came in and discussed the program not being a good idea, but you're not doing that, you're just doing your usual government bashing.

Now I don't think the program will be very good, in that it seems many of the existing youth programs started whether started by politicians or private entities have proven to be very useful, and instead seem to end up being part of the problem. Even the well intended community service does more to expose trouble children to comrades than to dissuade further criminality.

I should finish by assuring everyone, I have no good ideas as to a solution. I fear that so long as corruption is the basis of humanity, which seems to be true regardless of good intent all our entities seem to have some level of corruption from corporations to unions to government to churches to ...., there is no solution to many of our problems, this being one of them.
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The solution is to stop encouraging the victim mentality in the black community. Stop trying to make black even more dependent on government assistance. Stop promising them that the government is going to make their lives better. Stop claiming that all white folks are racists and that black folks don't have a chance.

This is a problem that the government created. The government isn't going to fix it by throwing money at it.
 
apdst said:
The solution is to stop encouraging the victim mentality in the black community. Stop trying to make black even more dependent on government assistance. Stop promising them that the government is going to make their lives better. Stop claiming that all white folks are racists and that black folks don't have a chance.

This is a problem that the government created. The government isn't going to fix it by throwing money at it.
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if the economic system has abondoned these people, the government has a moral obligation to save them.
 
MaggieD said:
I think it's a wonderful thing. Young black men need all the help they can muster to get them out of their inner-city jungles and into mainstream society. I love the name. Don't know why this didn't happen years ago.
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In spirit, I think it's a great idea. It's the execution that I'm skeptical about.

If the program offers advice such as, "get you head out of your ass, man up and get a ****ing job", then I believe it has a chance at significant success.

If it does nothing more than promote the same Leftist victicrat mentality, then it will add fodder to the already through the roof crime rate in the black community.
 
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