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Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

Nope to that last. You're almost understanding the country you've lived in for what I assume is decades now. Yes, a gas station can and should be able to refuse to sell you gas. A supermarket can and should be able to refuse to sell you food.

The distinction for vital services are enshrined in law, sorry if you find anything unclear in that. And I am not implying it, I'm saying it.

Oh really? I didn't know you could discriminate for any reason... gays can be banned from gas stations huh...?, what about blacks, them too?
 
Anti-discrimination laws do.

anti-discrimination laws are not constitutional law........constitutional law is supreme.


it is unconstitutional , by the 13th amendment.... for government to force a citizen to serve another citizen....that is involuntary servitude.

involuntary servitude can only take place if a citizen has been convicted of a crime.

discriminate is not criminal.

13th--Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
 
the 1964 civil rights act is legal only in the sense, when it applies to government.

government has no authority over the people, unless they violate the rights of another citizen, or cause a health and saftey concern.

when a citizen is on another citizens property, ...a citizen, has no EXERCISABLE rights at all.

a citizen cant excise a right on someones property.... unless the property owner gives his permission.

So you're saying the 1964 act is partially illegal? :roll:

he Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark piece of civil rights legislation in the United States[4] that outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.[5] It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public (known as "public accommodations").
 
Nothing about my position contradicts itself. I was very clear in my argument, and as I said, private enterprise is not government.

LoL you found a red herring to cling to and haven't let go since.
 
Oh really? I didn't know you could discriminate for any reason... gays can be banned from gas stations huh...?, what about blacks, them too?

You're right in that point, though I suppose homosexuals could be banned from a gas station in states that don't have sexual orientation added to their list of protected classes.

Had it happen to me once in California back in the early 70s, they wouldn't sell me gas because I was a hippie.
 
Of course they can and they have in the past with legal segregation laws.

yes, they have and its illegal, ..we agree here.

however when you use laws which are meant to limit the powers of government, ...on people, then you are violating their rights.
 
yes, and it applies to local government also, a city government cannot discriminate, ..because government works for the people.

how can a government discriminate against the very people it works for?

They can pass bills such as this to allow legal discrimination.
 
So you're saying the 1964 act is partially illegal? :roll:

I think it's partially unconstitutional. Hasn't been ruled that way yet though so it's still "legal".
 
The Constitution never explicitly protects the right to vote, but simply says that it can not be denied to certain groups.
IN hind sight this was not a great example, but with a bit of intellectual integrity you would have known what I mean. I shall not expect that from you in the future.

Thanks for not reading the Constitution.
Oh, but I have and better yet I understand it unlike you.

Oh and btw, you just showed no understand of the difference between children and adults.
Come on, even you can do better than that. Are you suggesting that a few months here or there do really make a difference?

The reason a child's rights are restricted BY NATURE
Riiight, what a load of BS.

What force?
The one you introduce into this discussion.
 
They can pass bills such as this to allow legal discrimination.


government is not here to pass laws to allow discrimination.

government is here to secure your rights, no matter how you exercise them, ......the only exception being you cant violate the rights of other people, or violate health and saftey laws which can put the public in danger.
 
government is not here to pass laws to allow discrimination.

government is here to secure your rights, no matter how you exercise them, ......the only exception being you cant violate the rights of other people, or violate health and saftey laws which can put the public in danger.

Except they are passing laws that are allowing legal discrimination....
 
Do you understand the difference between paying for a service and not getting it, and simply being refused service in the first place?
So you would be OK with being turned away from an emergency room, since you are not paying for it.
 
BS alert.
Hospitals and 911 are governed by a set of laws that are unique to vital services.
First and foremost the law would have allowed even bigoted state employees to discriminate. Second, a private hospital is as much private as a bakery and more importantly, a doctor too can have religious convictions and it is HIS service that can save your life.
 
IN hind sight this was not a great example, but with a bit of intellectual integrity you would have known what I mean. I shall not expect that from you in the future.

No, I don't. All I know is that you were wrong.

Oh, but I have and better yet I understand it unlike you.

You mean besides that you just showed otherwise?

Come on, even you can do better than that. Are you suggesting that a few months here or there do really make a difference?

Each individual matures and grows at different rates, so there is no such thing as an age that will work for everyone. Therefore, a general rule has to be set and determined that works for the majority at the earliest age possible.

Riiight, what a load of BS.

Nope. It's just an established fact of science.

The one you introduce into this discussion.

I didn't introduce a force into the discussion.
 
By individuals, not government.

So what many states also had laws on the books that allowed legal segregation by individuals but then those got overturned...
 
So this is allowing legal segregation... So isnt that illegal?

the point is, government cannot take actions to....... limit rights of citizens....no matter how the population feels.

the problem with people today ........they believe government is here to use law, to make people equal.......this is incorrect.

government is here to see, everyone is equal....... under the law.......when government makes a law, it has to apply to every citizen equally.

but citizens and business do not make laws..........so why are we telling them, they must treat everyone equal?

since the 5th applies to governments only.
 
So you would be OK with being turned away from an emergency room, since you are not paying for it.

Why do people keep saying things like "what I would be OK with? Feelings arguments will get you nowhere.
 
Vital services have nothing to do with the equation.
What a moronic line of reasoning. What the **** do you think food is? If grocery stores refuse to serve people they can just grow their own by this idiocy you are spreading.
 
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