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Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

WCH said:
My 'state' has done it's damnedest to NOT recognize SSM or polygamy. That is also the 'state' that gave us a marriage license which makes one legally married.

My vows to my God and my Wife have nothing to do with that. There's the sanctity.

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So then why cant the state recognize SSM? You keep saying how it affects the sanctity of marriage, I point out that it really doesnt, and then you turn around and agree.

Marriage is now a state contract...why cant gays get married like other sinners? Are you validating fornication and adulterers and murderers when they marry? If not, then you are not validating any sin you associate with being gay.

Or, as I said, it's hypocritical.
 
It saves a lot of time to just act ignorant. I do it well that's why I've been married 39yrs.
Lursa said:
LOL your posts are so random I have no idea what the original intent was. Nor do I care. You seem to be bent on defending it tho :)
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WCH said:
Because as Christians are not suppose to ignore sin and allow it to fester.
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So get out there and kill some gays, man.
 
WCH said:
My 'state' has done it's damnedest to NOT recognize SSM or polygamy. That is also the 'state' that gave us a marriage license which makes one legally married.

My vows to my God and my Wife have nothing to do with that. There's the sanctity.

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Precisely. Your vows to God have nothing to do with that. The state's recognition wasn't really the part that's important to you. Your love for your wife and your love for your God are the important part. So why does it bother you so much if the state recognizes same-sex marriage? How does that affect you and your marriage? Does it make you love your wife less? Your children, if any? Does it make you more likely to get divorced? Is the sanctity of your marriage, your love, undermined in any way by someone else getting recognized by the state? How can marriage be under attack if your marriage is just as strong today as it was yesterday?

Can you articulate any kind of specific harm caused by two dudes you've never met being recognized as family by the state?

If you can't, I'd like you to consider the possibility that, as an American, your personal disapproval is not in itself cause to make something illegal for another person.
 
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Lursa said:
So then why cant the state recognize SSM? You keep saying how it affects the sanctity of marriage, I point out that it really doesnt, and then you turn around and agree.

Marriage is now a state contract...why cant gays get married like other sinners? Are you validating fornication and adulterers and murderers when they marry? If not, then you are not validating any sin you associate with being gay.

Or, as I said, it's hypocritical.
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Sinners come in many forms in Christianity. Why single out gays?
 
Conservative said:
Is there anything in your world that doesn't meet the equal protection clause in the Constitution? You can apply equal protection to just about anything you want for in your world there is no such thing as the will of the people or laws created by the people. What is rather frustrating is that no where in the Constitution is marriage or sexual orientation defined thus leaving it up to the states. The SC has not ruled against the states' rights to create their own laws as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution. In no case has the SC defined marriage or ruled on the validity of the state definition of marriage thus leaving it to the states to decide.

The fact remains, with all the problems facing this country a very small vocal minority has made this issue their main priority and what they are going to do is force a definition of marriage into the Constitution and this being a nation founded upon Christian principles is going to force the people to react accordingly. I sincerely feel sorry for people who cannot accept civil unions or domestic partnerships but have to call attention to themselves and their sexual activity.
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Dishonest. Civil unions were not accepted by YOUR side. There are about 20 states with constitutional bans against civil unions. The gay rights folks did not pass those bans. So you can shove that BS.

It is a sad state of affairs in a country with a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, over 20 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, record numbers dependent on the taxpayers for some kind of assistance from the taxpayers, stagnant GDP growth that this topic always gets maximum responses in this forum by people who apparently have nothing else to do or worry about.
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This just in...the world has problems. But wait...it has always had problems and always will. So I guess we should ignore any issue that you do not like until all the problems in the world go away. That sure makes sense.

When you destroy the rule of law, you destroy the foundation upon which this country was built. When you destroy the definition of marriage you destroy the states' rights to administer a state issue, and when you evoke the Equal Protection clause on an issue that doesn't even apply and let activist justices rule in your favor you take this country down a very slippery slope. What is next marriage of family members?
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Newsflash...sodomy is legal and incest is not. Next.

What this continues to show is liberalism to be the disease it is and one that is the biggest threat ever to this country today. When you liberals realize what you have done it will be too late to save it. Guess that goes to show exactly what the education system has created and why we have the govt. today that we have, one where you enforce the laws you want to enforce, get some activist judge to give you want you want, and destroy the moral and ethical fabric that made this country the greatest on the face of the earth. You activist liberals must be very proud of yourselves. I really fear for my grandkids if this is the major issue facing this country.
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Dehumanizing those who think differently than you? That ends well.
 
WCH said:
Up until a few years ago, marriage was always a man and a woman. [male and female]

Marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again this isn't about equality so y'all can give up on trying to convince me it is.
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Up til almost the middle of the last century, marriage was one man turning over his daughter to another without her having very much say in it and certainly not being equal to her husband when it came to rights she had in the marriage (heck, it wasn't until about the 80s when people realized it is still rape even if the couple are married and that a marriage license is not an anytime-use permission slip for sex).
 
WCH said:
THE STATE is the problem. [as in the FedGov.] deciding what is best for us.
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The people who want to restrict others in having their right to enter into a contract because they wrongfully believe they are entitled to the sole definition of the word "marriage" and what it entails are the problem.
 
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WCH said:
It doesn't set a good example for our prodigy for us to except sin.

I almost lost the relationship with my oldest daughter because she was indoctrinated into believing homosexuals were more important than her parents. I don't plan on my grandchildren reaching that point.
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You can set the example for your progeny, I'll take care of mine. I don't consider same sex relationships or homosexuality sinful and it is my right to teach my children that they aren't. No one is preventing you from teaching your children that it is sinful, but you have no right to have the government endorse your belief of what is sinful and enshrine that in law.
 
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WCH said:
Because like the state, SSM is inherently evil.
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You cannot prove either of these contentions. They are merely your beliefs, nothing more. And while you are entitled to them, the rest of us are entitled to believe you are wrong about them.
 
roguenuke said:
You can set the example for your progeny, I'll take care of mine. I don't consider same sex relationships or homosexuality sinful and it is my right to teach my children that they aren't. No one is preventing you from teaching your children that it is sinful, but you have no right to have the government endorse your belief of what is sinful and enshrine that in law.
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Exactly. If my kid were born gay, I would want him or her to be able to marry the person they loved, so it's NOT an example I'd want to teach my kids.

I'd NEVER teach my kid, if born gay, that they were born a sinner and could NEVER enjoy an intimate relationship with the person they loved. It's bad enough the society has ****ed up so many kids treating them like crap and defectives but to imagine parents doing so...."I'm sorry, you are irreparably broken and an abomination before God." That just disgusts me. As do efforts to brainwash them otherwise.
 
roguenuke said:
The people who want to restrict others in having their right to enter into a contract because they wrongfully believe they are entitled to the sole definition of the word "marriage" and what it entails are the problem.
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Those 'victims' were given the choice of a civil union or some other sort of domestic partnership

MARRIAGE is a religious sacrament*

Definition of sacrament (n)
Bing Dictionary
sac·ra·ment[ sákrəmənt ]
religious rite or ceremony: in Christianity, a rite that is considered to have been established by Jesus Christ to bring grace to those participating in or receiving it.
consecrated items: the bread and wine consecrated at Communion
something sacred: something considered to be sacred or to have a special significance

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roguenuke said:
You can set the example for your progeny, I'll take care of mine. I don't consider same sex relationships or homosexuality sinful and it is my right to teach my children that they aren't. No one is preventing you from teaching your children that it is sinful, but you have no right to have the government endorse your belief of what is sinful and enshrine that in law.
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Neither do you.


Quit trying to hijack marriage and I'll think about it.
 
roguenuke said:
You cannot prove either of these contentions. They are merely your beliefs, nothing more. And while you are entitled to them, the rest of us are entitled to believe you are wrong about them.
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Duh....
 
WCH said:
Those 'victims' were given the choice of a civil union or some other sort of domestic partnership

MARRIAGE is a religious sacrament*

Definition of sacrament (n)
Bing Dictionary
sac·ra·ment[ sákrəmənt ]
religious rite or ceremony: in Christianity, a rite that is considered to have been established by Jesus Christ to bring grace to those participating in or receiving it.
consecrated items: the bread and wine consecrated at Communion
something sacred: something considered to be sacred or to have a special significance

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Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

the relationship that exists between a husband and a wife

: a similar relationship between people of the same sex

: a ceremony in which two people are married to each other

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage

(broadly) any of the diverse forms of interpersonal union established in various parts of the world to form a familial bond that is recognized legally, religiously, or socially, granting the participating partners mutual conjugal rights and responsibilities and including, for example, opposite-sex marriage, same-sex marriage, plural marriage, and arranged marriage:, Anthropologists say that some type of marriage has been found in every known human society since ancient times.

Marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws.[1] The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but it is principally an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged. In some cultures, marriage is recommended or considered to be compulsory before pursuing any sexual activity. When defined broadly, marriage is considered a cultural universal.
 
WCH said:
Those 'victims' were given the choice of a civil union or some other sort of domestic partnership

MARRIAGE is a religious sacrament*

Definition of sacrament (n)
Bing Dictionary
sac·ra·ment[ sákrəmənt ]
religious rite or ceremony: in Christianity, a rite that is considered to have been established by Jesus Christ to bring grace to those participating in or receiving it.
consecrated items: the bread and wine consecrated at Communion
something sacred: something considered to be sacred or to have a special significance

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So this means you want non-Christians barred from marriage, right?
 
WCH said:
Those 'victims' were given the choice of a civil union or some other sort of domestic partnership

MARRIAGE is a religious sacrament*

Definition of sacrament (n)
Bing Dictionary
sac·ra·ment[ sákrəmənt ]
religious rite or ceremony: in Christianity, a rite that is considered to have been established by Jesus Christ to bring grace to those participating in or receiving it.
consecrated items: the bread and wine consecrated at Communion
something sacred: something considered to be sacred or to have a special significance

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A very good point. The Unitarian Church marries gay couples in accordance with their religious beliefs. You want the government to interfere with their religious ceremonies by making gay marriage illegal. Funny how you end being a filthy statist yourself.
 
WCH said:
Those 'victims' were given the choice of a civil union or some other sort of domestic partnership
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No they ****ing weren't. When push comes to shove, people like you vote against civil unions. You put in constitutional amendments that prevent same-sex marriage and same-sex civil unions. Don't act like you made this generous offer and those malcontent gays rejected your gracious efforts. You never gave anyone that choice. You imposed your beliefs onto them. And where do you get off offering someone civil rights? They're not yours to grant or deny. The word is not yours.

MARRIAGE is a religious sacrament*

Definition of sacrament (n)
Bing Dictionary
sac·ra·ment[ sákrəmənt ]
religious rite or ceremony: in Christianity, a rite that is considered to have been established by Jesus Christ to bring grace to those participating in or receiving it.
consecrated items: the bread and wine consecrated at Communion
something sacred: something considered to be sacred or to have a special significance

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That's what the word means to you. Because you are a Christian. I am not. Why am I legally bound by Christian traditions?

Nobody is hijacking anything. Your marriage is not damaged in any way by two men getting married. Their use of the same word does not affect your marriage, your love, or your beliefs. It does not affect your religion or your relationship with your God. So tell me, just what the **** is your problem? What harm is caused that you're so valiantly trying to prevent?

If some ancient Mayans come back from the dead and perform a sun-worshiping ceremony and they call it a marriage, is that an attack on the institution of marriage?
 
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WCH said:
Those 'victims' were given the choice of a civil union or some other sort of domestic partnership

MARRIAGE is a religious sacrament*

Definition of sacrament (n)
Bing Dictionary
sac·ra·ment[ sákrəmənt ]
religious rite or ceremony: in Christianity, a rite that is considered to have been established by Jesus Christ to bring grace to those participating in or receiving it.
consecrated items: the bread and wine consecrated at Communion
something sacred: something considered to be sacred or to have a special significance

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It's been clearly pointed out to you that the state could not care less about religious sanctity...as proven by their willingness to hand them out without QUESTION to murderers, felons IN JAIL, fornicators, adulterers, child abusers (and so on) and practitioners of ALL varieties of other and no religion.

So there is no basis in that for depriving gays.

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WCH said:
Those 'victims' were given the choice of a civil union or some other sort of domestic partnership

MARRIAGE is a religious sacrament*

Definition of sacrament (n)
Bing Dictionary
sac·ra·ment[ sákrəmənt ]
religious rite or ceremony: in Christianity, a rite that is considered to have been established by Jesus Christ to bring grace to those participating in or receiving it.
consecrated items: the bread and wine consecrated at Communion
something sacred: something considered to be sacred or to have a special significance

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Wrong.

No civil unions are the exact same as marriages.

And I don't give two cents what your religious definition is of sacrament because I am married and I don't consider my marriage to be a sacrament at all. Some same sex couples are Catholic and would consider their marriage a sacrament. The rite you are talking about is the marriage ceremony done in a Catholic church, not the marriage we are discussing here. Not all opposite sex marriages are sacraments, no matter your personal feelings on this issue.

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WCH said:
Neither do you.


Quit trying to hijack marriage and I'll think about it.
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You don't own marriage, nor does your religion. I have my marriage, I fight for others to be able to marry as I did, the person of their choosing, not restricted because some wrongfully believe that they own the word marriage.
 
roguenuke said:
Wrong.

No civil unions are the exact same as marriages.

And I don't give two cents what your religious definition is of sacrament because I am married and I don't consider my marriage to be a sacrament at all. Some same sex couples are Catholic and would consider their marriage a sacrament. The rite you are talking about is the marriage ceremony done in a Catholic church, not the marriage we are discussing here. Not all opposite sex marriages are sacraments, no matter your personal feelings on this issue.

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Mine is! We made vows to God and to each other.

A lot of 'Catholics' support abortion rights so, what's your point.
 
WCH said:
Mine is!

A lot of 'Catholics' support abortion rights so, what's your point.
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That you and other Catholics do not own marriage. You are free to have your marriage as a sacrament, but it is no more relevant here than a church refusing to recognize marriages after divorce or interracial/interfaith marriages. Those are religious restrictions on personal marriages and completely irrelevant to state recognition of marriage.
 
roguenuke said:
You don't own marriage, nor does your religion. I have my marriage, I fight for others to be able to marry as I did, the person of their choosing, not restricted because some wrongfully believe that they own the word marriage.
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I don't see you fighting for my marriage or my opinion.
 
roguenuke said:
That you and other Catholics do not own marriage. You are free to have your marriage as a sacrament, but it is no more relevant here than a church refusing to recognize marriages after divorce or interracial/interfaith marriages. Those are religious restrictions on personal marriages and completely irrelevant to state recognition of marriage.
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[I'm not of any denomination FWIW]

I'm fully aware of the State and statist positions. But, they butted their heads into that union despite my opinions, even to go as far as to spit on the will of the voters.
 
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