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Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

Lursa said:
Then why does our country allow atheists to marry? People from ALL other religions?

How about felons in jail, fornicators, adulterers, etc? All are allowed to marry and indulge in that 'sacrament from God.'

So it's obvious that marriage means different things to different people...yet they are allowed by law to use the term and have the privileges and benefits that go along with it.
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You know as well as I do that some church and clergy won't marry those who commit sins. But the state will.
 
WCH said:
I think you're wrong but, sooner or later there will be a final butting of heads to decide.
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And the government and our system says you are. In fact, the majority believes you are. Tradition changes and many times it changes for good reason. Morality is subjective, meaning that it changes with each person (every single person has morals, it is just some people's morals do not agree with yours). What is normal is relative. I am not normal, nor is at least one thing related to my marriage (very few couples are dual military, especially where one is active, the other reserve). There is plenty about me that isn't normal. No one is completely "normal". And we have freedom of religion which means my beliefs are just as valid as yours when it comes to the law and government.
 
Lursa said:
Yes...both are opinion-based only with regards as to the judicial decisions. I can see where they are based on the Constitution and civil rights. You do not.
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I doubt the Founders foresaw or would approve of how some things have become.

I'm not going to cheapen my marriage or my religion with the acceptance of sin. Sorry.
 
WCH said:
I doubt the Founders foresaw or would approve of how some things have become.

I'm not going to cheapen my marriage or my religion with the acceptance of sin. Sorry.
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It doesn't matter what the founders foresaw about this particular issue because they did foresee that the country and its views would change and they in fact mentioned that was why the Constitution needed to be flexible. If they wanted to enshrine Christian beliefs as an important part of the Constitution they would have because they knew the views would change (several of the most important mentioned this).

If your marriage is affected by other people that you feel are sinning being allowed to marry, then why is it not already at that point? Are you okay with people being allowed to marry after divorce? Are you okay with people being allowed to marry and swinging? Are you okay with divorce being legal for any reason? Because all these things have been considered sins yet are legal in relation to marriage in this country. Heck, others view interracial marriage, interfaith marriages, and even interclass marriages as sinful. Why should your beliefs about what is or isn't sinful in marriage be more important legally than anyone else's?
 
WCH said:
I doubt the Founders foresaw or would approve of how some things have become.

I'm not going to cheapen my marriage or my religion with the acceptance of sin. Sorry.
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Marriage does not belong exclusively to the Christian faith, sorry bud, it's been around since the beginning of time and changed and evolved in the framework of many different cultures and religion and so will again in ours.
 
WCH said:
You know as well as I do that some church and clergy won't marry those who commit sins. But the state will.
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And that is how it should be. You have no right to tell others that they can't get involved in a marriage simply because your religion disapproves, finds their relationship a sin. If you did, then so should other religions have that same right, including no interfaith marriages, no marriages after divorce, no marriages not approved by father/family members of bride and possibly even groom, no interracial marriages (because there are people who hold this as a religious belief, and many more.
 
WCH said:
I doubt the Founders foresaw or would approve of how some things have become.

I'm not going to cheapen my marriage or my religion with the acceptance of sin. Sorry.
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That's too bad for you that you allow it to make you feel that way.

Gay marriage has no affect on the sanctity of marriage for me. It cannot affect what my parent's union means to them, or my sister's. They have said as much. And my parents were Sunday school teachers. They have strong faith. SSM does not weaken their faith or bonds.
 
WCH said:
You know as well as I do that some church and clergy won't marry those who commit sins. But the state will.
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That's fine. However you are the one claiming the sanctity of marriage. And the state marries them all.

Edit: so what I dont understand is why there's no religious uproar over the marriages of felons, murderers, fornicators, adulterers....but there is against SSM. All apparently besmirch the sanctity of marriage. I see this as hypocritical. Even Hindus 'marrying' should be offensive then....and non-believers. And yet...silence.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Marriage does not belong exclusively to the Christian faith, sorry bud, it's been around since the beginning of time and changed and evolved in the framework of many different cultures and religion and so will again in ours.
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Up until a few years ago, marriage was always a man and a woman. [male and female]

Marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again this isn't about equality so y'all can give up on trying to convince me it is.
 
Lursa said:
That's fine. However you are the one claiming the sanctity of marriage. And the state marries them all.

Edit: so what I dont understand is why there's no religious uproar over the marriages of felons, murderers, fornicators, adulterers....but there is against SSM. All apparently besmirch the sanctity of marriage. I see this as hypocritical. Even Hindus 'marrying' should be offensive then....and non-believers. And yet...silence.
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THE STATE is the problem. [as in the FedGov.] deciding what is best for us.
 
Lursa said:
That's too bad for you that you allow it to make you feel that way.

Gay marriage has no affect on the sanctity of marriage for me. It cannot affect what my parent's union means to them, or my sister's. They have said as much. And my parents were Sunday school teachers. They have strong faith. SSM does not weaken their faith or bonds.
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Sorry these are out of order...got lost while burying my laying hen :(

Acceptance of sin begets more sin.
 
WCH said:
Sorry these are out of order...got lost while burying my laying hen :(

Acceptance of sin begets more sin.
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So you will sin more?

I wont. SSM and homosexuality will not influence me to sin.
 
WCH said:
THE STATE is the problem. [as in the FedGov.] deciding what is best for us.
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Well the state already allows murderers, other felons, fornicators, adulterers, people who believe in other gods and people who believe in no gods to marry.

So why cant the state allow SSM?
 
WCH said:
Up until a few years ago, marriage was always a man and a woman. [male and female]

Marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again this isn't about equality so y'all can give up on trying to convince me it is.
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Up until a few yrs ago, polygamy was legal.

Up until a few yrs ago, biracial marriages were illegal. What is your point?

It certainly is about equality and your responses to my point about EVERYONE else being allowed to marry EXCEPT gays kind of highlights it further.

Marriages change based on society. Those examples prove it. And it's not about 'sanctity,' as my list of everyone else allowed to marry proves that.
 
Lursa said:
So you will sin more?

I wont. SSM and homosexuality will not influence me to sin.
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It doesn't set a good example for our prodigy for us to except sin.

I almost lost the relationship with my oldest daughter because she was indoctrinated into believing homosexuals were more important than her parents. I don't plan on my grandchildren reaching that point.
 
Lursa said:
Well the state already allows murderers, other felons, fornicators, adulterers, people who believe in other gods and people who believe in no gods to marry.

So why cant the state allow SSM?
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Because like the state, SSM is inherently evil.
 
WCH said:
It doesn't set a good example for our prodigy for us to except sin.

I almost lost the relationship with my oldest daughter because she was indoctrinated into believing homosexuals were more important than her parents. I don't plan on my grandchildren reaching that point.
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Not everyone believes it's a sin so it is wrong for YOU to try and impose that view on an entire state....tyranny of the majority, again. Your religious beliefs do not trump someone elses.

And I have never seen anyone attempting to say that any sexual orientation was more important than family. That is not an 'agenda.' If you had conflict within your family, it was a personal and individual thing...not any gay agenda.
 
WCH said:
Because like the state, SSM is inherently evil.
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DIfferent conversation and completely irrelevant since the fact is, the state is what recognizes marriage...for all the 'evil' groups I listed. And some not-so-evil. Churches are not forced to recognize or conduct SSM.

If the state is evil...why did you sanctify your marriage thru it?
 
Lursa said:
DIfferent conversation and completely irrelevant since the fact is, the state is what recognizes marriage...for all the 'evil' groups I listed. And some not-so-evil. Churches are not forced to recognize or conduct SSM.

If the state is evil...why did you sanctify your marriage thru it?
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My 'state' has done it's damnedest to NOT recognize SSM or polygamy. That is also the 'state' that gave us a marriage license which makes one legally married.

My vows to my God and my Wife have nothing to do with that. There's the sanctity.

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.......by saying that's not a valid point. Give it up, you made up your mind and so have I just do what feels good.
Lursa said:
I reply to insignificant posts and opinions...it's easy :)
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WCH said:
No, what that sounds like is YOUR personal problem. You hate the fact religion and it's followers exist at all.
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That is an utter fallacy.

I believe religion is a deeply personal experience that many people experience in many different ways. I think religion and your belief in God is something that should guide YOU.

So I respect religion and those of faith. I do not respect when they try to apply their beliefs to others.

Example, if it is your belief that homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage is a sin as well, I am perfectly ok with you holding your belief. But your belief should not impact gay people who are just trying to live their lives. Huge distinction.
 
WCH said:
Because as Christians are not suppose to ignore sin and allow it to fester.
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So, do not let your own sin to fester.
 
sneakosview said:
.......by saying that's not a valid point. Give it up, you made up your mind and so have I just do what feels good.
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LOL your posts are so random I have no idea what the original intent was. Nor do I care. You seem to be bent on defending it tho :)
 
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