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Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

I am done here. I just got an infraction for saying that people are brainwashed and that is called a personal attack. This infraction came from someone who is a SSM supporter and wants me out of the tread. That person just got their wish. I am out of here and have no use for people who cannot stand the heat and have to run for help when challenged. It really is a shame. Too bad, it has been fun
 
What a cute response! Who spelt crickets for you?
 
The SC has never ruled on the definition of marriage and the question is why?

I believe in tradition, history, states rights, and the rule of law. You want marriage for Same sex couples then change the law in the states through the voting process, not through the courts

tradition is meaningless to law and rights
history is meaningless to law and rights
rule of law is against your views and proves some of them 100% factually false
we dont vote on equal rights

people are trying to infringing on them and that is being fought against and the courts are correcting the states overstepping thier powers and infringing on rights
 
No, sorry, forgot who I was dealing with, people that don't understand state law and responsibility. Marriage is a state issue so are civil unions.

He asked you this question: If civil union and marriage are on equal standing ground, then why is it other states don't recognize civil unions as they do marriage? If other states don't recognize civil unions - then it's clear that civil union does not have the same binding power as marriage.

It is up to the people of the state to create that civil union which based upon the passion you people have more marriage shouldn't be a problem

Que?
 
Well in my generation we knew what deviate meant. Maybe you'll change the definition and it will mean something else. It's kinda like how we thought that a woman that slept around was a whore but now she's just considered community property. Hell, since there's no stigma anymore women should charge money so they could change their financial condition even retire someday!
 
Protected to do what, whatever you want? No, gender isn't a license to violate state law and Marriage is common law controlled by the states having nothing to do with gender



I could have given you a list as long as this thread and nothing on that list would have anything to do with SSM. There are so much more worthy issues than SSM but in this forum SSM gets the most posts and that is a shame. People's priorities are screwed up. Why is having the title of married so important to you and others SSM proponents



It is priorities, son, and your focus on social issues says it all while ignoring that handling the economic issues will handle most social issues. It is important to a very small minority and one that in the total scope of things really is irrelevant. You want to define marriage the way you want then sell your state and stop having the courts try to do it for you

If marriage had nothing to do with gender, there wouldn't be a definition that included gender. "Between a man and a woman" is a gender-based distinction, and no amount of semantic bull**** will get you out of that. The state must justify such a distinction when challenged, that's how equal protection works.
 
We'll see how long that lasts because the floodgates are open now.

The floodgates to more loving couples and stable families? The horror.
 
I am done here. I just got an infraction for saying that people are brainwashed and that is called a personal attack. This infraction came from someone who is a SSM supporter and wants me out of the tread. That person just got their wish. I am out of here and have no use for people who cannot stand the heat and have to run for help when challenged. It really is a shame. Too bad, it has been fun

It doesnt take much to respond without insult.

I just dont think you have the answers. My questions were posed very civilly.
 
Wonderful.

Is that a reply to me? A non-reply actually.

Most people that enter a discussion are actually capable of conducting a rational argument....perhaps you could try a blog of one-liners and see if anyone is interested.

Or or or...you could just admit when you dont have an argument.
 
The floodgates to more loving couples and stable families? The horror.

When the first Public Accommodation Laws were passed (CRA64), there was a great deal of religious belief (mostly in the south, but also in other parts of the country) that "race-mixing" was directly in conflict with their religion. Indeed it was against the law to marry another race in a number of states.

In fact, the judge who upheld Virginia’s anti-miscegenation statute in Loving v. Virginia cited the bible and noted God had put the races on separate continents as proof “that he did not intend for the races to mix.” It was literally an appeal to divine authority. Thankfully it was not many years (three to be exact) the Supreme Court would find laws against interracial marriages were unconstitutional.

Nonetheless, it was most certainly a "deeply held religious conviction" to some (and still is) that would allow them to discriminate in exactly the same way as the couple in this instance -- that is, a baker refusing to "be a part of this wedding."

How many would uphold that religious belief as Supreme today? With the baker being allowed to say "I don't believe in mixed race marriages, to me it is a sin?" How has it worked for those who have tried to use it?

As I noted in an earlier post of mine, bigots are free to discriminate, they however need to find a way to be clever about it. In Elane photography, for example, just saying "Sorry, booked up" or some other reason to not produce evidence you are actively discriminating. Same with the bakers.

I'm certain it goes on all the time today, and did in the past for the ones against "race-mixing" and integration for religious reasons. So the message is clear: you want to be a bigot, be one. Just be clever about it.
This does not violate your religious principles.

Unless your purpose is to find an excuse to insult and offend those potential customers you think have cherry-picked as sinners.

Which at its base, I think, is exactly what some of these religious objectors want to do.
 
How unAmerican, to suggest that the states should base law on a religious belief...and not even a universal one. Last I checked, every state, even TX married atheists, all religions, and all sinners. Even felons, fornicators and adulterers are allowed to marry. What's God's opinion on that?

This country and the state of Texas were created on Biblical principles.
 
That was my point.

One day we will all stand before our judge.

If it's God's job to police this, why do mortals spend so much time and effort trying to do it for him by banning same-sex marriage?

This country and the state of Texas were created on Biblical principles.

Also with the specific intention of separating church and state, established in the first amendment. If Christian doctrine can be used as the basis of law, so can Old Testament God, or Sharia Law. Let's get to the stoning.

In fact, the constitution declares itself to be the supreme law of the land. Direct opposition to the core biblical principle.

The constitution of Iran mentions Islam several times. Our constitution doesn't mention the bible or Christianity even once. Did they do a better job writing their constitution than we did?
 
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Nice try.

What do you think is going to come through these metaphorical floodgates?

Or do you think it will be a literal biblical flood?
 
Would it matter?

DO you understand the difference?

If you are quoting the Bible, those standards apply to you - or those that worship the Bible.

If you are talking the constitution, those standards apply to me and my fellow Americans.
 
That was my point.

One day we will all stand before our judge.

This is the problem.

You have applied religious principles to ME. I do not appreciate it.

There are a multitude of religions that worship a multitude of principles.

Even denominations within Christianity do not believe in some pretty major ideas.

And an individual within a denomination within a Christian religion may not believe in the same way as another.

So please, leave me out of your "we".
 
DO you understand the difference?

If you are quoting the Bible, those standards apply to you - or those that worship the Bible.

If you are talking the constitution, those standards apply to me and my fellow Americans.

Most Leftists don't believe in either.
 
This is the problem.

You have applied religious principles to ME. I do not appreciate it.

There are a multitude of religions that worship a multitude of principles.

Even denominations within Christianity do not believe in some pretty major ideas.

And an individual within a denomination within a Christian religion may not believe in the same way as another.

So please, leave me out of your "we".

Those Biblical verses are written for everyone but they're not directed at anyone. Nor did I demand you read them.

I do believe 'our' freedom of speech allows me to post them.
 
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