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You're barking way up the wrong tree if you think i'm ever going to defend discrimination like that. Like with jackie robinson, sometimes things have to be shaken up. Some might be prejudiced against a certain group so the solution is to keep that group out to the extent possible? **** that.

In addition, numerous NFL cities and states have passed laws against this kind of heinous hiring practice for some very good reasons. In civilized parts of society, this "team chemistry" excuse will never fly. Imagine a college student demands a dorm swap cause of having a gay roommate. Now how is it NFL teams can function with a dog killer, a murder suspect (ray lewis), drunk drivers and drug addicts galore, but a single gay player....Enough with the BS excuses.

I'm interested in something and would an answer if you have one. Who asked you what you thought about their hiring practices? How in the hell is it civilized to force your will on others in who they hire and do business with?

Do people even know what the word "civilized" means?
 
You're barking way up the wrong tree if you think i'm ever going to defend discrimination like that. Like with jackie robinson, sometimes things have to be shaken up. Some might be prejudiced against a certain group so the solution is to keep that group out to the extent possible? **** that.

In addition, numerous NFL cities and states have passed laws against this kind of heinous hiring practice for some very good reasons. In civilized parts of society, this "team chemistry" excuse will never fly. Imagine a college student demands a dorm swap cause of having a gay roommate. Now how is it NFL teams can function with a dog killer, a murder suspect (ray lewis), drunk drivers and drug addicts galore, but a single gay player....Enough with the BS excuses.

The NFL is all about results. Winning and losing, making the playoffs, sell outs. You are calling GMs whose careers are on the line "cowards". You cite Jackie Robinson. Robinson was a Hall of Famer whose teams won 6 NL pennants and a World Series. Yeah, you shake it up for a talent like that. If you're not sure of the talent it's not difficult to understand the reluctance to make waves. Team chemistry is real and legitimate when your job is at stake.
 
If you want gay athletes to be treated like anyone else in the locker room, the gay jokes will get ramped up big time. Locker rooms are ruthless in that regard, but in a fun, bust-your-balls kind of way. Any angle available is taken full advantage of.

If they can't take that, they'll NEVER be accepted. It's a big part of any testosterone-filled locker room.

Based on his post history, he's not doing it to evoke delirium (it wasn't funny anyway) but to take cheap shots. If it's someone i know and even consider a friend, that's another matter.

But after the revelations of criminal behavior going on in the miami locker room, why the hell would i want michael sam or anyone else treated like that? The NFL is the problem in this equation. Once again, get the neanderthals/bigots out of there is how i would handle it.
 
The NFL is all about results. Winning and losing, making the playoffs, sell outs. You are calling GMs whose careers are on the line "cowards". You cite Jackie Robinson. Robinson was a Hall of Famer whose teams won 6 NL pennants and a World Series. Yeah, you shake it up for a talent like that. If you're not sure of the talent it's not difficult to understand the reluctance to make waves. Team chemistry is real and legitimate when your job is at stake.

What you describe is no different from any other business, yet we are a society of laws. If they want to **** over michael sam, all he has to do is subpoena the SI interviews and sue the piss out of all those teams, and i would fully support that. But hey, i'm sure it won't come to that, because the NFL is SO open minded?

Yes i say the GMs are cowards if they can't handle a few prejudiced assholes (and don't fit the bill themselves)
 
I'm interested in something and would an answer if you have one. Who asked you what you thought about their hiring practices? How in the hell is it civilized to force your will on others in who they hire and do business with?

Do people even know what the word "civilized" means?

I didn't, over a dozen NFL cities did that on their own and numerous states. I don't have any sympathy for bigots and i couldn't care less what happens to them if they try to make others suffer. But i know you're asking me cause you don't like homos and you wish michael sam hadn't sold his soul or whatever cracked up idea you have. So you're just trying to show me up instead of engage in worthwhile debate, so with that, :2wave:
 
The NFL is all about results. Winning and losing, making the playoffs, sell outs. You are calling GMs whose careers are on the line "cowards". You cite Jackie Robinson. Robinson was a Hall of Famer whose teams won 6 NL pennants and a World Series. Yeah, you shake it up for a talent like that. If you're not sure of the talent it's not difficult to understand the reluctance to make waves. Team chemistry is real and legitimate when your job is at stake.

So if i'm reading this right, the problem with MLB racists was the black players weren't out of the this world talented like Robinson, not that those players were powerless before the racist owners?

The NFL right now is way too permissive of bigotry and even overt threats and *that's* the problem.
 
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