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Jason Collins played last night

OscarB63 said:
he got cut at the end of last season and was recently signed to a 10 day contract. played in one game so far. 11 minutes, zero points, zero rebounds, five fouls.....
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Which if you were right about his role in the other thread as being the backup who gets sent in to foul, seems like he did his job.
 
OscarB63 said:
as for Collins' lack of rebounding skill/stats, you'd think a gay guy would be better at getting his hands on the balls........
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If this is all you're capable of contributing please don't bother making a serious reply to me. Don't waste my time.
 
rocket88 said:
It's history no matter what you think about it. It's also something that's been discussed ad nauseum here on DP, and it's the latest news in the saga. My only reaction in the OP was, "Dude played, nobody got raped." I've not said anything about him deserving a long term deal, or that he should be in the HoF, just that he didn't suck. Last night's game seemed to be a pretty normal game for him. I'm not going to overinflate his career or it's importance, but the barrier's been broken and lo and behold, the NBA didn't fold last night, and there wasn't a big gay orgy in the Nets locker room (that we know of anyway). Life went on exactly as it did before.

He wasn't an all-star before, and he still isn't one but the automatic reaction is "it's political" or "He sucked." He didn't suck, he never was an all-star and the Nets needed some temporary backup help on the inside. Do we call it political or slag every backup who's maybe past his expiration date signs a 10 day deal?
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It IS political, he DID suck, and the fact that you started a thread about it based solely on his gayness kinda proves the point.
 
chromium said:
If this is all you're capable of contributing please don't bother making a serious reply to me. Don't waste my time.
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a single tear rolls down my cheek.... if you/he can take a dick, you/he can take a joke.....
 
VanceMack said:
It IS political, he DID suck, and the fact that you started a thread about it based solely on his gayness kinda proves the point.
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compared to joe snuffy on the street and the vast majority of college players, he did not suck. but compared to other NBA centers, he sucked big time.
 
chromium said:
If this is all you're capable of contributing please don't bother making a serious reply to me. Don't waste my time.
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If you want gay athletes to be treated like anyone else in the locker room, the gay jokes will get ramped up big time. Locker rooms are ruthless in that regard, but in a fun, bust-your-balls kind of way. Any angle available is taken full advantage of.

If they can't take that, they'll NEVER be accepted. It's a big part of any testosterone-filled locker room.
 
VanceMack said:
It IS political, he DID suck, and the fact that you started a thread about it based solely on his gayness kinda proves the point.
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He sucked but he played in the NBA for 13 years? I suck at basketball and I haven't even gotten a tryout.

If he was in the closet, it wouldn't even be a story. If he was in the closet, you wouldn't feel compelled to say he sucked, when he clearly was good enough to play for 13 years. Oscar was right that he had a role, which is to go in, get physical and foul some guys. According to his stats of 11 minutes and 5 fouls, he's still pretty good at this role.

Do you watch hockey? Almost every team has an enforcer - the guy whose job it is to go out on the ice and fight so that the star players don't have to. Often, they're popular with the fans. Nobody looked at Rob Ray's one goal per year and said he was a failure - his job was to rack up the penalty minutes, and if he had less than 200 in a year, you started to wonder.

Regardless, now it's done. We don't have to debate about what will happen when there's an openly gay guy in professional sports. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to, but it's not a perfect world.
 
OscarB63 said:
compared to joe snuffy on the street and the vast majority of college players, he did not suck. but compared to other NBA centers, he sucked big time.
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He scored as many points in that game as I did...so....
 
rocket88 said:
He sucked but he played in the NBA for 13 years? I suck at basketball and I haven't even gotten a tryout.

If he was in the closet, it wouldn't even be a story. If he was in the closet, you wouldn't feel compelled to say he sucked, when he clearly was good enough to play for 13 years. Oscar was right that he had a role, which is to go in, get physical and foul some guys. According to his stats of 11 minutes and 5 fouls, he's still pretty good at this role.

Do you watch hockey? Almost every team has an enforcer - the guy whose job it is to go out on the ice and fight so that the star players don't have to. Often, they're popular with the fans. Nobody looked at Rob Ray's one goal per year and said he was a failure - his job was to rack up the penalty minutes, and if he had less than 200 in a year, you started to wonder.

Regardless, now it's done. We don't have to debate about what will happen when there's an openly gay guy in professional sports. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to, but it's not a perfect world.
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If he was "in the closet" he wouldnt have a 10 day contract. He wasnt cut last year because he was gay, he was cut because he was 'done'. Funny how a little PR can create all sorts of new career opportunities.
 
rocket88 said:
He sucked but he played in the NBA for 13 years? I suck at basketball and I haven't even gotten a tryout.

If he was in the closet, it wouldn't even be a story. If he was in the closet, you wouldn't feel compelled to say he sucked, when he clearly was good enough to play for 13 years. Oscar was right that he had a role, which is to go in, get physical and foul some guys. According to his stats of 11 minutes and 5 fouls, he's still pretty good at this role.

Do you watch hockey? Almost every team has an enforcer - the guy whose job it is to go out on the ice and fight so that the star players don't have to. Often, they're popular with the fans. Nobody looked at Rob Ray's one goal per year and said he was a failure - his job was to rack up the penalty minutes, and if he had less than 200 in a year, you started to wonder.

Regardless, now it's done. We don't have to debate about what will happen when there's an openly gay guy in professional sports. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to, but it's not a perfect world.
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Guess you did not know this but in basketball you can suck and be a bench player and maintain a career of 13 years just for being tall!

Hell i quit watching the game years ago it got to where you do not even need to have shooting skills anymore. Just dunk :yawn: boring a$$ chit.
 
VanceMack said:
If he was "in the closet" he wouldnt have a 10 day contract. He wasnt cut last year because he was gay, he was cut because he was 'done'. Funny how a little PR can create all sorts of new career opportunities.
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Maybe. Maybe not.

I could see a team in the Nets' situation picking up an old veteran to help out for a week or two. Gay or not.
 
votemout said:
Guess you did not know this but in basketball you can suck and be a bench player and maintain a career of 13 years just for being tall!

Hell i quit watching the game years ago it got to where you do not even need to have shooting skills anymore. Just dunk :yawn: boring a$$ chit.
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If his job was to go out and foul guys, it seems that he's pretty good at it.
 
rocket88 said:
If his job was to go out and foul guys, it seems that he's pretty good at it.
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If thats his job then it is a total waste of a roster spot. i will bet he is cut after the contract.
 
votemout said:
Guess you did not know this but in basketball you can suck and be a bench player and maintain a career of 13 years just for being tall!

Hell i quit watching the game years ago it got to where you do not even need to have shooting skills anymore. Just dunk :yawn: boring a$$ chit.
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Don't forget to travel before you dunk.
 
Gipper said:
It must suck to be a minority of some sort. Can't root for anything without representation. I don't root for white players in the NFL. Frankly, if the NFL was white, it'd suck.

I'm only going to like things because of one aspect of my life.

I'm actually glad I'm not gay. I'd hate to think of myself as being able to self-define with one damned characteristic and that's it. I'd be gay. That's all. That's all I am - gay. One thing. Done.
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Don't put words in my mouth...You mention a conspiracy. Well with all the cowardly GMs speaking out against Sam as a "distraction": Video Dallas Sportscaster Goes In On NFL Officials For Saying Michael Sams Stock Will Be Hurt On Dra - YouTube

This despite discrimination being illegal in many of their cities.

But look, if about 5% of pro athletes were openly gay and were truly a non issue, you think i'd root only for them? Come on lol. It's the *total* lack of representation that gets immediately noticed and received as "You are not welcome here." I certainly wish it were a non issue, but what i don't see is any criticism by you or others here of the homophobic jackasses who created this. You seriously just posted that it's sheer coincidence that none has come out till now and there's nothing the league could do.

Beyond that, many face rejection from sports at a young age, often because of their sexuality, then turn on TV as adults and yeah, same bully **** is going on (minnesota special teams coach only latest example), still not welcome. That's the thing. I rather like football, but not when being so disrespected. Went to a Lions game once. Boy was that a mistake. Time for the NFL to clean up its act and confront its bigotry.

The reason you see such attention on this is because this is a market segment that's been totally ignored and disrespected. No more. Whatever team Sams ends up with will have a cult following.
 
HonestJoe said:
They're not defining themselves by one thing, you're defining them by one thing. Maybe if you changed your world view from "human beings" and "gays" you wouldn't have this problem.
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My ass I am. Try reading.
 
chromium said:
Don't put words in my mouth...You mention a conspiracy. Well with all the cowardly GMs speaking out against Sam as a "distraction": Video Dallas Sportscaster Goes In On NFL Officials For Saying Michael Sams Stock Will Be Hurt On Dra - YouTube

This despite discrimination being illegal in many of their cities.

But look, if about 5% of pro athletes were openly gay and were truly a non issue, you think i'd root only for them? Come on lol. It's the *total* lack of representation that gets immediately noticed and received as "You are not welcome here." I certainly wish it were a non issue, but what i don't see is any criticism by you or others here of the homophobic jackasses who created this. You seriously just posted that it's sheer coincidence that none has come out till now and there's nothing the league could do.

Beyond that, many face rejection from sports at a young age, often because of their sexuality, then turn on TV as adults and yeah, same bully **** is going on (minnesota special teams coach only latest example), still not welcome. That's the thing. I rather like football, but not when being so disrespected. Went to a Lions game once. Boy was that a mistake. Time for the NFL to clean up its act and confront its bigotry.

The reason you see such attention on this is because this is a market segment that's been totally ignored and disrespected. No more. Whatever team Sams ends up with will have a cult following.
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Why are they "cowardly?" It's their jobs that are on the line if they screw up their draft. Don't you think maybe they know just a little more about their team chemistry than you do?
 
OscarB63 said:
micheal jordon was the king of traveling. he'd stop dribbling at the top of the key on most dunks.
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two steps is given, but the new guys were getting three steps. Jordan was the man i quit watching after he quit.
 
rocket88 said:
He sucked but he played in the NBA for 13 years? I suck at basketball and I haven't even gotten a tryout.

If he was in the closet, it wouldn't even be a story. If he was in the closet, you wouldn't feel compelled to say he sucked, when he clearly was good enough to play for 13 years. Oscar was right that he had a role, which is to go in, get physical and foul some guys. According to his stats of 11 minutes and 5 fouls, he's still pretty good at this role.

Do you watch hockey? Almost every team has an enforcer - the guy whose job it is to go out on the ice and fight so that the star players don't have to. Often, they're popular with the fans. Nobody looked at Rob Ray's one goal per year and said he was a failure - his job was to rack up the penalty minutes, and if he had less than 200 in a year, you started to wonder.

Regardless, now it's done. We don't have to debate about what will happen when there's an openly gay guy in professional sports. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to, but it's not a perfect world.
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Well he actually started on a conference finals team as well. It's not like his current role was how his career began. In any case, ignore the haters. It's newsworthy and they just have to piss on any sign of progress.
 
jerry7 said:
Why are they "cowardly?" It's their jobs that are on the line if they screw up their draft. Don't you think maybe they know just a little more about their team chemistry than you do?
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You're barking way up the wrong tree if you think i'm ever going to defend discrimination like that. Like with jackie robinson, sometimes things have to be shaken up. Some might be prejudiced against a certain group so the solution is to keep that group out to the extent possible? **** that.

In addition, numerous NFL cities and states have passed laws against this kind of heinous hiring practice for some very good reasons. In civilized parts of society, this "team chemistry" excuse will never fly. Imagine a college student demands a dorm swap cause of having a gay roommate. Now how is it NFL teams can function with a dog killer, a murder suspect (ray lewis), drunk drivers and drug addicts galore, but a single gay player....Enough with the BS excuses.
 
chromium said:
Well he actually started on a conference finals team as well. It's not like his current role was how his career began. In any case, ignore the haters. It's newsworthy and they just have to piss on any sign of progress.
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yeah, but his current role has been his current role for the last 4-6 years. the dude was done. call me cynical, but he only "came out" in order to get attention and try to prolong his career by another season.

he's basically been the NBA equivalent of a "hockey goon" his entire career and not much more than "trade fodder".

he was decent enough at the beginning, but after about 2007, he dropped off. 07-08 season he got traded midway through the season (a deal in which his team had to add cash to sweeten the deal). At the end of that season he was traded again. at the end of the next season he was let go once again. picked up by the Hawks before being traded to the Celtics during his last season and the Celts traded him away halfway through that season.

dude was traded as often as internet porn.
 
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