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Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

Wiggen said:
Well, you may be the only 'black' guy ever who thinks the KKK is a benign organization and the wrong side won the civil war. And I use the term 'black' as loosely as possible.
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At least you're learning. This is as exciting as watching monkies learn to use tools.

You can't make up your mind which lie you want to promote: the one where I'm really white, or the one where I'm really black and erroneously believe that I think the wrong side won the Civil War.

Hard to keep the lies straight, huh?
 
Wiggen said:
Well, you may be the only 'black' guy ever who thinks the KKK is a benign organization and the wrong side won the civil war. And I use the term 'black' as loosely as possible.
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He does live in Louisiana, a state which kept it's "One Drop Rule" on the books until 1983
Susie Guillory Phipps, The State of Louisiana, and the One-Drop Rule | 1ne Drop

In 1977, Susie Guillory Phipps and her husband began planning a vacation to South America. In order to travel, they would need current passports; and in order to apply for passports, they would need official copies of their birth certificates. <snip> At the age of 48, she discovered something about herself that would make her physically ill for the three days that followed – she was “Colored.”

Susie Guillory Phipps had 3/32 Negro blood – her great-great-great-great grandmother was an enslaved African woman by the name of Marguerite.

In the end, the State of Louisiana upheld the “one-drop rule” and Susie Guillory Phipps lost her case.

The State of Louisiana repealed its law on racial classification 6 years later in 1983, but because the repeal was not retroactive, to date, Susie Guillory Phipps remains Black by law.
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Just a note....In reading this thread, I find it simply amazing that in this thread where the perpetrators are are described as from a fraternity that touts its "diversity, and support of equal rights", so immediately the conversation starting out was one of how the leftist members didn't think it was meant to be a "racist action" or that it was just "a joke in bad taste".....Where as the same OP starter in another thread takes a mention of militia in a plot, and immediately the perps are "RIGHT WING!!!!!"

How easily some are just plain duped.
 
apdst said:
At least you're learning. This is as exciting as watching monkies learn to use tools.

You can't make up your mind which lie you want to promote: the one where I'm really white, or the one where I'm really black and erroneously believe that I think the wrong side won the Civil War.

Hard to keep the lies straight, huh?
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You probably didn't notice that I put the word 'black' in quotation marks when referring to you. I think you are as black as Casper the Friendly Ghost.
 
j-mac said:
Just a note....In reading this thread, I find it simply amazing that in this thread where the perpetrators are are described as from a fraternity that touts its "diversity, and support of equal rights", so immediately the conversation starting out was one of how the leftist members didn't think it was meant to be a "racist action" or that it was just "a joke in bad taste".....Where as the same OP starter in another thread takes a mention of militia in a plot, and immediately the perps are "RIGHT WING!!!!!"

How easily some are just plain duped.
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I think there's a point you are trying to make here, but it eludes me. Of course, I'm one of those dreaded 'libbos', so maybe I just don't understand conservative speak.
 
Wiggen said:
You probably didn't notice that I put the word 'black' in quotation marks when referring to you. I think you are as black as Casper the Friendly Ghost.
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How do you know I'm not black?
 
Wiggen said:
You probably didn't notice that I put the word 'black' in quotation marks when referring to you. I think you are as black as Casper the Friendly Ghost.
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Are you that much of a closetted racist that it matters either way? Are you now some sort of expert about the opinions of all black people? Better you should give the NAACP a call, I'm sure they would find someone with such a talent useful.
 
How do I know you are? Because you claim to be? We all make judgments about posters based on our experiences with them. I've made mine on you.
 
clownboy said:
Are you that much of a closetted racist that it matters either way? Are you now some sort of expert about the opinions of all black people? Better you should give the NAACP a call, I'm sure they would find someone with such a talent useful.
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Thanks for participating. Now, shouldn't you get back to supporting whatever Far Right cause is near and dear to you this week?
 
j-mac said:
Just a note....In reading this thread, I find it simply amazing that in this thread where the perpetrators are are described as from a fraternity that touts its "diversity, and support of equal rights", so immediately the conversation starting out was one of how the leftist members didn't think it was meant to be a "racist action" or that it was just "a joke in bad taste".....Where as the same OP starter in another thread takes a mention of militia in a plot, and immediately the perps are "RIGHT WING!!!!!"

How easily some are just plain duped.
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Where did a "leftist" member of this forum argue that this case wasn't a racist action or that it was "just a joke"?
 
This thread looks a little dangerous for me to quote the CON posters.
Let me compliment the Fraternity and University and move on.
The FRAT and UNIV have certainly moved on, and have an infinite amount of Class compared to this thread .
 
rocket88 said:
Yes, their lives and careers have been impacted by their own stupid actions. I have no sympathy for that. They're in college, they're legally adults and stupid actions impact your life and career.

Let's say they went out drinking and drove home. Shouldn't they get punished for drunk driving, even if they're "college kids?"

The same people who moan about "personal responsibility" and "In my day, you didn't live with your parents when you were 20" are the ones who want to give them a pass because they're kids. Unbelievable.
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Every time an incident like this happens folks come out in defense of the indefensable. People can all it a joke, a college prank if they wish, but placing a noose around the neck of a status that represents a Black person is racially motivated. Adding the Confederate Flag (or even a flag with a Confederate battle emblem on it) only puts and exclamation point on it! But the noose alone makes it a racist act. Now, the law defines what constitutes a "hate crime" and what doesn't. So, regardless of how we all "feel" or what we "think" about this act, we have to let the law be fairly and justly applied. But make no mistake; this was a racist act. A "prank" would have been draping the Meredith status in your rival school's colors. There's nothing funny about hanging a noose around anyone's neck and that includes that of a statue that depicts a Black figure.

Now, are the 3 youngsters racists? Judge by their pattern of behavior and not this one act. That said, it would be a shame if this one act of stupidity costs three young men their college education, but they'd only have themselves to blame.
 
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Wiggen said:
Thanks for participating. Now, shouldn't you get back to supporting whatever Far Right cause is near and dear to you this week?
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Hey, I'm not the one with the full pack of race cards, that'd be you.
 
sangha said:
I happen to be proud to live in a society in which despicable acts like this one come with serious consequences.
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I hear you, and as another poster stated earlier in the thread "actions have consequences".

I can certainly understand how some folks would see this as a joke and degree "folks are getting their panties all up in a wad," but as I said a joke or prank would have been "neutral" or as neutral as possible so as not to offend others but to include others in on the humorous act. It's about taste and respect for others. This act was tasteless and was certainly offensive and not just to Blacks. Of course, I'm sure their defense will be "we were just kidding around," but let's be clear:

Hanging a noose around the neck of a status that represents a Black person doesn't insight humor. It insights disgust, fear, anxiety and in some cases anger.
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There's nothing humorous about this.
 
Objective Voice said:
I hear you, and as another poster stated earlier in the thread "actions have consequences".

I can certainly understand how some folks would see this as a joke and degree "folks are getting their panties all up in a wad," but as I said a joke or prank would have been "neutral" or as neutral as possible so as not to offend others but to include others in on the humorous act. It's about taste and respect for others. This act was tasteless and was certainly offensive and not just to Blacks. Of course, I'm sure their defense will be "we were just kidding around," but let's be clear:



There's nothing humorous about this.
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Yeah, and there's nothing humorous about making people wet themselves either, but I've still celophaned a few toilets and hooked a couple batteries to urinals in my past. Humor is subjective, and drunken frat humor even more so. Tasteless humor is a staple in modern society. Again, Jackass movies sell out at the box office, including the insipid Bad Grandpa. Remember when Borat was all the rage? How sick and sad was that? Was Ted Danson pulling a "racially motivated prank" when he went in blackface?

I'm glad they were caught and glad they were punished by school and fraternity code. I think it's silly to make a federal case out of it. Certainly there are cases of real and harmful racism folks can center their rage upon. The students pulled a stupid prank that turned the frat and the school against them.
 
dumb move by dumb kids, but let's not call in the federal troops just yet. Probably took all of 30 seconds for some drunks to put it there and another 30 seconds to remove the offending objects the next morning. If the media hadn't gotten hold of it the whole thing wouldn't amount to a hill of fake liberal outrage.
 
If there was no permanent damage because the objects were simply placed on the statue, I don't think it should be considered a crime, unless there was an intent to terrorize black students. Without that intent, it should be handled by the school, not the legal system. If there was an attempt to terrorize, its still a relatively minor crime akin to sending a threatening letter, with a possible hate crime enhancement. It sounds like the frat handled it appropriately.
 
And I do think suspending the fraternity's charter was a bridge too far.
 
clownboy said:
I've still celophaned a few toilets and hooked a couple batteries to urinals in my past. Humor is subjective, and drunken frat humor even more so.
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Batteries to urinals? What's that about?

I knew some guys who pissed into another guy's dorm room humidifier.
 
clownboy said:
And I do think suspending the fraternity's charter was a bridge too far.
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Maybe. I would say it depends if it was done with the fraternity's imprimatur or not. If it was some kind of "official" fraternity prank, then I'd think it appropriate. If it was 3 members going rogue, then I think it's too far.

That's a piece of information I don't have.
 
RiverDad said:
Batteries to urinals? What's that about?

I knew some guys who pissed into another guy's dorm room humidifier.
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Small tractor or jeep battery, run wires to urinal (hide under urinal mint). the subject pissing gets a fine howdy doo. :mrgreen:
 
rocket88 said:
Maybe. I would say it depends if it was done with the fraternity's imprimatur or not. If it was some kind of "official" fraternity prank, then I'd think it appropriate. If it was 3 members going rogue, then I think it's too far.

That's a piece of information I don't have.
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Yeah, we do, the fraternity came out with a statement right away.

From the OP:
"It is embarrassing that these men had previously identified with our fraternity," Brian Warren Jr., the organization’s chief executive, said in a statement late Friday.

"SigEp has championed racial equality and issues on diversity since 1959, when it became the first national fraternity to invite members of all races, creeds and religions to join its membership," Warren said. "For this to occur in 2014 is an insult to the legacy of James Meredith, the University of Mississippi community and the SigEp alumni who fought for racial equality in the late 1950s."



http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...-noose-20140221,0,2184254.story#ixzz2uNHS4uIO
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