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Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

You need to climb off your horse. The other poster was talking about intent, and not actions. Their actions have consequences. I don't give a **** what their intent was. They should have exercised common sense before doing what they did.

clownboy said:
Oh BS. Climb down off the horse. It's actually part of the culture of some campuses to mess with the statuary in ever more creative ways. My own freshman class placed a 5 foot paper mache penis on the statue of the university's founder.

There isn't a culture on earth that has no racism. The key is in how it's dealt with. What more do you require than what has happenned to address the incident? You looking for the death penalty or something?

Three students' careers and lives have been permanently impacted because they carried out what could very well have been a stupid college prank. A fraternity that has openned itself up to all races has lost it's charter. Massive over reaction fueled by the guilty minds of a bunch of white liberals.
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clownboy said:
Not my fault you've cut off contact with the modern world. Nothing at all wrong with that.
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The 'modern world' being where people know what 'kids play Jackass' means? And the fact that I don't know disqualifies me, in your 'modern world', from having an opinion about the topic?
Son, you need to regroup and rethink. Start by telling me what 'playing jackass' means.
 
Grand Mal said:
The 'modern world' being where people know what 'kids play Jackass' means? And the fact that I don't know disqualifies me, in your 'modern world', from having an opinion about the topic?
Son, you need to regroup and rethink. Start by telling me what 'playing jackass' means.
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It probably means Doing Stupid Things. What's the big deal?
 
Grand Mal said:
The 'modern world' being where people know what 'kids play Jackass' means? And the fact that I don't know disqualifies me, in your 'modern world', from having an opinion about the topic?
Son, you need to regroup and rethink. Start by telling me what 'playing jackass' means.
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Couple things, I'm 63 in a few months and my father was the only one with the grant to call me "Son". My point is, you make great hay that you live disconnected from the world. Great way to live and I have zero problem with it. It'd be where I'd be if I didn't have grandkids. But it makes you out of touch with the culture you seem to really want to comment upon.

Hey, you've got a computer, and I know your connection works. Try google, duh!
 
BMCM said:
That's two years old, The Governor is Republican. It's a red state.
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No such thing. No state is all red or all blue. And that map was from the very last election. Lot of blue districts in that state you claim to be all red. California has had republican governors, did that mean the state was all red?
 
Ray410 said:
It probably means Doing Stupid Things. What's the big deal?
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I don't know what the big deal is. I'm trying to find out. Whatever it is, it's somehow related to the topic.
 
Grand Mal said:
I don't know what the big deal is. I'm trying to find out. Whatever it is, it's somehow related to the topic.
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If you agree with common reasoning that kids do silly things, without malice, that make no sense whatsoever, I think you've got it.
 
clownboy said:
Couple things, I'm 63 in a few months and my father was the only one with the grant to call me "Son". My point is, you make great hay that you live disconnected from the world. Great way to live and I have zero problem with it. It'd be where I'd be if I didn't have grandkids. But it makes you out of touch with the culture you seem to really want to comment upon.

Hey, you've got a computer, and I know your connection works. Try google, duh!
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I tried Google and got references to a video game.
I doubt that it matters to the topic. Hanging a noose around the neck of that statue, in that place, was an expression of racism, whether it was intended to be or not. I don't care about the consequences- it doesn't matter to me if the school ignores it, if the fraternity endorses it or if the students involved get tarred and feathered. It's Mississippi, might as well be Burma as far as I'm concerned. It's still racist, though.
 
Ray410 said:
If you agree with common reasoning that kids do silly things, without malice, that make no sense whatsoever, I think you've got it.
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Silly?
I don't know, it looks like a reference to lynching to me. If you can take the malice out of that, then maybe it's not racism but I see it different.
 
Grand Mal said:
I tried Google and got references to a video game.
I doubt that it matters to the topic. Hanging a noose around the neck of that statue, in that place, was an expression of racism, whether it was intended to be or not. I don't care about the consequences- it doesn't matter to me if the school ignores it, if the fraternity endorses it or if the students involved get tarred and feathered. It's Mississippi, might as well be Burma as far as I'm concerned. It's still racist, though.
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No you didn't, that or you just don't know how to use a search engine. Here, I've done it for you:
https://www.google.com/search?q=jac...:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7MXGB_enUS533

The first page of links tells you everything you need to know about doing dumb things for the sake of doing dumb things.

As for the rest, old northern attitude disconnected from modern reality.
 
clownboy said:
No you didn't, that or you just don't know how to use a search engine. Here, I've done it for you:
https://www.google.com/search?q=jac...:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7MXGB_enUS533

The first page of links tells you everything you need to know about doing dumb things for the sake of doing dumb things.

As for the rest, old northern attitude disconnected from modern reality.
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Okay, you've reminded me- my son still owes me a couple bucks from years ago when he advised me to rent a movie called 'Jackass'. You coulda just said so earlier.
So you're saying this was just a jackass stunt and shouldn't be blown out of proportion? I disagree. If it was a joke, it would still take a committed racist to smile at seeing a noose around James Meredith's neck.
I'm not advocating any kind of punishment, I'm just saying there's no way to pretend this isn't an expression of racism. Maybe they were just drunk one night and wouldn't do it sober, but in vino veritas, sometimes.
 
Grand Mal said:
Silly?
I don't know, it looks like a reference to lynching to me. If you can take the malice out of that, then maybe it's not racism but I see it different.
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Here's a concept for you: "Racism" is a dispositive term, a damning label that, by definition, must have malice in the intent of the actor.

There is no evidence of that here and your personal hatred of whites cannot be substituted for that intent.
 
Ray410 said:
Here's a concept for you: "Racism" is a dispositive term, a damning label that, by definition, must have malice in the intent of the actor.

There is no evidence of that here and your personal hatred of whites cannot be substituted for that intent.
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A white guy hanging a noose around the neck of James Meredith doesn't look like racism to you?
 
Grand Mal said:
Okay, you've reminded me- my son still owes me a couple bucks from years ago when he advised me to rent a movie called 'Jackass'. You coulda just said so earlier.
So you're saying this was just a jackass stunt and shouldn't be blown out of proportion? I disagree. If it was a joke, it would still take a committed racist to smile at seeing a noose around James Meredith's neck.
I'm not advocating any kind of punishment, I'm just saying there's no way to pretend this isn't an expression of racism. Maybe they were just drunk one night and wouldn't do it sober, but in vino veritas, sometimes.
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I could easily see it being a juvenile joke where the anticipated laugh was in the shocked reaction to the stunt, not the stunt itself. Obviously it was a stupid move and I seriously doubt the prankers were anticipating this outcome.

Even if it was a blatant act of racism, it's been dealt with, swiftly and harshly and is in no way an indictment on the fraterniity, the university or the state.

And finally, the jackass thing. It was in response to your query about stupidity.
 
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Grand Mal said:
A white guy hanging a noose around the neck of James Meredith doesn't look like racism to you?
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You have returned to the fact that they are just kids. Who knows?
 
MaggieD said:
Oh for God's sake. A kid prank. Yeah, it's a racist prank. The kids probably aren't. Who knows?

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I don't know, as you admit it's a racist prank. I'm willing to judge them on their actions which even by your admission were racist.
 
clownboy said:
Three students' careers and lives have been permanently impacted because they carried out what could very well have been a stupid college prank. A fraternity that has openned itself up to all races has lost it's charter. Massive over reaction fueled by the guilty minds of a bunch of white liberals.
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Yes, their lives and careers have been impacted by their own stupid actions. I have no sympathy for that. They're in college, they're legally adults and stupid actions impact your life and career.

Let's say they went out drinking and drove home. Shouldn't they get punished for drunk driving, even if they're "college kids?"

The same people who moan about "personal responsibility" and "In my day, you didn't live with your parents when you were 20" are the ones who want to give them a pass because they're kids. Unbelievable.
 
Phys251 said:
Racism does not depend on the intent. Ever. Racism depends on the act. And considering our nation's clear history of racism against blacks, past and present, those of you who are going to try to convince us that the Ole Miss noose incident is not racism have a VERY difficult task ahead of you.
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Pull up a definition of racism and explain how this action meets the definition of racism.

It certainly meets the definition of insensitive, thoughtless, provocative, but not racist.
 
BMCM said:
It is Mississippi, a solid red state so no real surprise there.
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What I find surprising is that racial tolerance seems to be inversely related to living in populations with low racial diversity. Obama's share of the white vote increased in states where there was lower levels of black population. Odd, isn't it?
 
RiverDad said:
Pull up a definition of racism and explain how this action meets the definition of racism.

It certainly meets the definition of insensitive, thoughtless, provocative, but not racist.
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On what basis is it insensitive, thoughtless and provocative?
 
rocket88 said:
I have no sympathy for that. They're in college, they're legally adults and stupid actions impact your life and career.
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And yet they're too immature to buy alcohol and tobacco.
 
rocket88 said:
Yes, their lives and careers have been impacted by their own stupid actions. I have no sympathy for that. They're in college, they're legally adults and stupid actions impact your life and career.

Let's say they went out drinking and drove home. Shouldn't they get punished for drunk driving, even if they're "college kids?"

The same people who moan about "personal responsibility" and "In my day, you didn't live with your parents when you were 20" are the ones who want to give them a pass because they're kids. Unbelievable.
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What's unbelievable is your reaction. Nowhere did I suggest giving them a pass. They did what they did, for whatever stupid reason they pulled the prank. The over reaction is indicting the school, the state, the country, the fraternity as some of you seem to enjoy doing in your race to satisfy some sort of racist based guilt.

That said, a college kid gets caught mooning passersbys from a moving vehicle. That could buy them the same consequence as a pervert flasher receives. The key is judgement. One of these things is not like the other.
 
RiverDad said:
And yet they're too immature to buy alcohol and tobacco.
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Well, that alcohol would certainly do wonders for their decision making wouldn't it? :lamo

In most states, a college student can buy tobacco, btw. I'm guessing Mississippi probably allows 18 year olds to buy tobacco.
 
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