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RiverDad said:
Do I get to control your sex life? What makes you think that you, a socialist, should have any control over any aspect of my life?
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I cannot answer that because i don't know the answer. what i do know is that one of the things i would have to do as a historian is that when i read primary sources i should avoid the fallacy of presentism, or applying present day ideas and perspectives into depictions or interpretations of the past.
 
Grant said:
Students are there to learn, not be brainwashed. The more students learn about socialism and its history, if they are also taught the alternatives, the more they will reject it.
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Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Should students be allowed to draw their own conclusions? should they be allowed to make a argument that the socialist thinkers may have had valid points?
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Hell, let's make Mein Kampf required reading, while we're at it. I mean, students can make their own minds up...right?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
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This reads remarkable like "Communism, real communism, has never been tried yet. What happened elsewhere was distorted communism and that's why it failed."

The study of Socialism needs to be anchored on a foundation of sophisticated thought. Socialism REQUIRES the raping of liberty, so a student needs to fully understand what is going to be raped in order to balance the gains they think will arise from adopting socialism.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
My history teacher has mien kampf in his library, does that fact make him a nazi?
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I hope not, because I have it my library, too. That doesn't address my point, however.
 
RiverDad said:
This reads remarkable like "Communism, real communism, has never been tried yet. What happened elsewhere was distorted communism and that's why it failed."

The study of Socialism needs to be anchored on a foundation of sophisticated thought. Socialism REQUIRES the raping of liberty, so a student needs to fully understand what is going to be raped in order to balance the gains they think will arise from adopting socialism.
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Can a society be a supporter of both liberty and equality? Is equality inherently immoral?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
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That's not what I said.

If students are taught of the harm socialism has done throughout the world, the false leaders who propagandize that they will spread the wealth so that the poor will somehow be made rich, the millions who have died in the name of socialism, or otherwise had their lives ruined, then any fairly well educated person would reject it.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
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Who said it should be? We have said they should be taught a true and accurate history of socialism. Apparently, you think, that letting them know the truth about socialism is assumed to be a bias against it.
 
apdst said:
Should the Russians have been able to make that judgement?
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That's right. Socialism is usually thrust upon a people, whether they like it or not. None of the people in the former USSR had a choice on whether they wanted socialism. And of course each time a socialist policy is enacted, the less freedom an individual has.

Yet some left wingers have called communism a 'life style' choice.
 
DVSentinel said:
Who said it should be? We have said they should be taught a true and accurate history of socialism. Apparently, you think, that letting them know the truth about socialism is assumed to be a bias against it.
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If the only sources of information about socialism you provide for students are negative portrayals, the knowledge the student will be inherently biased.

If a person is studing the teachings of Karl marx, should students be allowed to understand what time period Marx lived in, what were the issues affecting people in Marx's time, and ask questions to provide context?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Can a society be a supporter of both liberty and equality?
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A lot is going to depend on the definition of terms. Generally though these two principles are incompatible, for when liberty is exercised we will see that the free choices that people make in society will result in unequal outcomes. The best way to insure equality is to limit liberty and impose equality.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If the only sources of information about socialism you provide for students are negative portrayals, the knowledge the student will be inherently biased.
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Let me try that out. "If the only sources of information about National Socialism you provide for students are negative portrayals, the knowledge the student will be inherently biased."

Is it any wonder that young people today think that Nazism is a worse ideology than Communism?
 
RiverDad said:
Let me try that out. "If the only sources of information about National Socialism you provide for students are negative portrayals, the knowledge the student will be inherently biased."
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Socialism is a very broad subject.

democratic socialism, social democracy, and reformism are all related to socialism.
 
Then I would say you don't know about the aryan nation in Portland, Oregon or Couer d'Alene, Idaho .
RiverDad said:
Let me try that out. "If the only sources of information about National Socialism you provide for students are negative portrayals, the knowledge the student will be inherently biased."

Is it any wonder that young people today think that Nazism is a worse ideology than Communism?
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Do you have teaching credentials to prove that?
apdst said:
Schools are teaching kids HOW to think, not WHAT to think.
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How would you know WHAT schools are doing or WHAT students are thinking .
 
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