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FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

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Remember all the outrage in 2009, when DHS put out a report about the increasing danger of right wing terrorism?

FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

A second FBI source told agents he had a conversation with Cannon on Feb. 8 during which Cannon said the group planned to "start the fight" with the government by sabotaging power grids, transfer stations and water treatment facilities to create mass hysteria, the agent's statement says. That would push the government to declare martial law, which would push other militias to join the fight.

"Cannon claimed too many militias were in a defensive mode and in order to get them out of the defensive posture, actions would have to take place to force martial law to be declared," the agent's statement said. Cannon also said he wanted to recruit militia members from other parts of the country to join these missions.
 
Hasn't there been sniper attacks on power stations recently?
 
Remember all the outrage in 2009, when DHS put out a report about the increasing danger of right wing terrorism?




According to the article at the link, "The three men participated in online discussions about carrying out an operation against the government in February," and "The online chats were monitored by the FBI."

:lamo




Smart guys, eh?
 
Remember all the outrage in 2009, when DHS put out a report about the increasing danger of right wing terrorism?
So you had to wait 5 years for a couple of crackpots to do something stupid to prove that there is really a "threat" out there? Pretty unconvincing.
 
According to the article at the link, "The three men participated in online discussions about carrying out an operation against the government in February," and "The online chats were monitored by the FBI."

:lamo




Smart guys, eh?

Where are these people chatting at, I can't find them.
 
Remember all the outrage in 2009, when DHS put out a report about the increasing danger of right wing terrorism?

Total bloody idiots.

First, you make bombs, you don't buy them.
Second, you do not attack innocents.
Third, Obama and the Dems are not the government, they are a political party. If your views are right-wing and you actually want to see changes, you don't attack "the government", you attack leftist.

It's exactly these kinds of nuts that make it essential that someone with a working brain gets in contact with them and gives them some useful guidance.

As the country continues to become more and more divided over political issues, violence will occur. Someone needs to exert control over and focus that violence, not allow a bunch of random nuts to do stupid things. For now, the FBI has been lucky and were able to catch these nuts before something happened, but if we keep growing the number of nuts, sooner or later, the FBI will fail.

I'm all for eliminating leftist, but not at the cost of dead kids.
 
Total bloody idiots.

First, you make bombs, you don't buy them.
Second, you do not attack innocents.
Third, Obama and the Dems are not the government, they are a political party. If your views are right-wing and you actually want to see changes, you don't attack "the government", you attack leftist.

It's exactly these kinds of nuts that make it essential that someone with a working brain gets in contact with them and gives them some useful guidance.

As the country continues to become more and more divided over political issues, violence will occur. Someone needs to exert control over and focus that violence, not allow a bunch of random nuts to do stupid things. For now, the FBI has been lucky and were able to catch these nuts before something happened, but if we keep growing the number of nuts, sooner or later, the FBI will fail.

I'm all for eliminating leftist, but not at the cost of dead kids.
So you're the type of folk they were referring to in the DHS report. Good to know we've got eyes on ya.
 
So you had to wait 5 years for a couple of crackpots to do something stupid to prove that there is really a "threat" out there? Pretty unconvincing.

Maybe you should be reading something more than your favourite blogs

Opinion: Growing threat of extreme right-wing violence - CNN.com

From 2002 to 2007, only nine right-wing extremists were indicted for their roles in politically motivated murders and other types of ideologically motivated violent assaults. But between 2008 and 2012, the number mushroomed to 53, according to data collected by the New America Foundation.

Fifteen right-wing extremists were indicted in 2012 -- including six who were involved in a militia in Georgia that accumulated weapons, plotted attacks on the government and murdered a young U.S. Army soldier and his 17-year-old girlfriend, who they suspected were planning to rat out the group to authorities. Seven claimed membership in the anti-government Sovereign Citizens movement and allegedly murdered two policemen in Louisiana. And two had gone on a murderous rampage the previous year, killing four people before they were arrested in California, where they told police they were on their "way to Sacramento to kill more Jews."

also, from the "librul' Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
Identifying Three Trends in Far Right Violence in the United States | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

This article provides clarity on the various components of the American far right. It also offers a basic analytical model to better understand its current violent trends. The article’s findings—which are based on a dataset of more than 4,400 cases of violent attacks by far right elements during a 22-year period—will be expanded in a more detailed study that will soon be published by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.
 
Total bloody idiots.

First, you make bombs, you don't buy them.
Second, you do not attack innocents.
Third, Obama and the Dems are not the government, they are a political party. If your views are right-wing and you actually want to see changes, you don't attack "the government", you attack leftist.

It's exactly these kinds of nuts that make it essential that someone with a working brain gets in contact with them and gives them some useful guidance.

As the country continues to become more and more divided over political issues, violence will occur. Someone needs to exert control over and focus that violence, not allow a bunch of random nuts to do stupid things. For now, the FBI has been lucky and were able to catch these nuts before something happened, but if we keep growing the number of nuts, sooner or later, the FBI will fail.

I'm all for eliminating leftist, but not at the cost of dead kids.

What if those kids grow up to be Democrats?

You sound like that Brevik guy.
 
So you had to wait 5 years for a couple of crackpots to do something stupid to prove that there is really a "threat" out there?

The existence of and potential threat posed by separatist militias was well documented before this incident.

Pretty unconvincing.

The FBI generally has a better grasp on chatter trends and plots than does the average citizen. I'll take their word for it.
 
Total bloody idiots.

First, you make bombs, you don't buy them.
Second, you do not attack innocents.
Third, Obama and the Dems are not the government, they are a political party. If your views are right-wing and you actually want to see changes, you don't attack "the government", you attack leftist.

It's exactly these kinds of nuts that make it essential that someone with a working brain gets in contact with them and gives them some useful guidance.

As the country continues to become more and more divided over political issues, violence will occur. Someone needs to exert control over and focus that violence, not allow a bunch of random nuts to do stupid things. For now, the FBI has been lucky and were able to catch these nuts before something happened, but if we keep growing the number of nuts, sooner or later, the FBI will fail.

I'm all for eliminating leftist, but not at the cost of dead kids.

Can you tell us who you think it's acceptable to murder? More specifically than "leftists," I mean. We already know you are in favor of murdering "leftists." I'm just wanting to know more.
 
Can you tell us who you think it's acceptable to murder? More specifically than "leftists," I mean. We already know you are in favor of murdering "leftists." I'm just wanting to know more.

War, even revolution, is not murder.
 
Can you tell us who you think it's acceptable to murder? More specifically than "leftists," I mean. We already know you are in favor of murdering "leftists." I'm just wanting to know more.

I personally don't have a "target" list, as I have no plans to start a revolution nor to kill anyone at this time.
 
Remember all the outrage in 2009, when DHS put out a report about the increasing danger of right wing terrorism?

Exactly what identifies "right Wing" terrorism?

It could easily be the Tolerant Left protesting perceived intolerance, with expressive violence, ala SDS and/or Weather Underground etal.

Just wonderin'

Thom Paine
 
Total bloody idiots.

First, you make bombs, you don't buy them.
Second, you do not attack innocents.
Third, Obama and the Dems are not the government, they are a political party. If your views are right-wing and you actually want to see changes, you don't attack "the government", you attack leftist.

It's exactly these kinds of nuts that make it essential that someone with a working brain gets in contact with them and gives them some useful guidance.

As the country continues to become more and more divided over political issues, violence will occur. Someone needs to exert control over and focus that violence, not allow a bunch of random nuts to do stupid things. For now, the FBI has been lucky and were able to catch these nuts before something happened, but if we keep growing the number of nuts, sooner or later, the FBI will fail.

I'm all for eliminating leftist, but not at the cost of dead kids.

War, even revolution, is not murder.

I personally don't have a "target" list, as I have no plans to start a revolution nor to kill anyone at this time.

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So you had to wait 5 years for a couple of crackpots to do something stupid to prove that there is really a "threat" out there? Pretty unconvincing.

Righ-wingers waited until legislation was proposed in lieu of the Newtown school shootings to say "aha we told you Obama was coming after our guns". What's the problem? A broken clock is right twice a day. If you spout enough non-sense eventually a false accusation may prove to be correct by coincedence.
 
The existence of and potential threat posed by separatist militias was well documented before this incident.



The FBI generally has a better grasp on chatter trends and plots than does the average citizen. I'll take their word for it.

You would think so, right? Here's something I learned when I got my BS in computer science - the FBI pays their IT folks virtually nothing, analysts included. The private sector pays three times what the feebs do for the same job, the NSA five times what the feebs pay. Where are the best folks going to work? That's right, everywhere but the FBI.
 
You would think so, right? Here's something I learned when I got my BS in computer science - the FBI pays their IT folks virtually nothing, analysts included. The private sector pays three times what the feebs do for the same job, the NSA five times what the feebs pay. Where are the best folks going to work? That's right, everywhere but the FBI.

Well, that's big government though. You can't have it both ways.
 
You sound like that Brevik guy.

Can one person make a difference to the path that a society takes? Those people that Brevik murdered were all deeply committed socialists intent on furthering the destruction of his society. The reports indicated that there were quite a number of talented youths at that camp.

If people really are cogs and all of us are easily replaceable, then Brevik's crime would have no impact beyond the personal tragedies he inflicted. However, if individuals of talent cannot be easily replaced, then Brevik very likely altered the path that Norway is now following and will follow in the future, for those youth leaders won't be around to lead and their substitutes won't be as effective or as charismatic or as influential.

Brevik thought he was at war. Was his crime an effective strike at his enemy or wasn't it?
 
Can one person make a difference to the path that a society takes? Those people that Brevik murdered were all deeply committed socialists intent on furthering the destruction of his society. The reports indicated that there were quite a number of talented youths at that camp.

If people really are cogs and all of us are easily replaceable, then Brevik's crime would have no impact beyond the personal tragedies he inflicted. However, if individuals of talent cannot be easily replaced, then Brevik very likely altered the path that Norway is now following and will follow in the future, for those youth leaders won't be around to lead and their substitutes won't be as effective or as charismatic or as influential.

Brevik thought he was at war. Was his crime an effective strike at his enemy or wasn't it?

So being a delusional mass murderer is OK as long as you attack "the left?"
 
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