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Can one person make a difference to the path that a society takes? Those people that Brevik murdered were all deeply committed socialists intent on furthering the destruction of his society. The reports indicated that there were quite a number of talented youths at that camp.

If people really are cogs and all of us are easily replaceable, then Brevik's crime would have no impact beyond the personal tragedies he inflicted. However, if individuals of talent cannot be easily replaced, then Brevik very likely altered the path that Norway is now following and will follow in the future, for those youth leaders won't be around to lead and their substitutes won't be as effective or as charismatic or as influential.

Brevik thought he was at war. Was his crime an effective strike at his enemy or wasn't it?

Brevik is nothing but a murderer.
 
So being a delusional mass murderer is OK as long as you attack "the left?"

That's the message that you took from my post? You really do have a stupendous talent for reading between the lines material that simply isn't there and that other people don't see.

Terrorists want to be effective. Don't they? They usually have a goal in mind. Don't they?




Was Brevik effective or not?




Note, the question I ask you doesn't have any lines above or below it, it's a simple 5 word question so it's impossible to read between the lines. I'm not asking you whether what Brevik did was moral, whether it should be legal, whether he should have done some things differently, or anything else you might imagine that I'm asking you. Brevik murdered the most promising stars of the rising socialist generation in Norway. Did he damage that movement or not? Remember, he had some goal in mind when he committed his act of terror.
 
I'm all for eliminating leftist, but not at the cost of dead kids.

Right, but that has to come through education. However the education system is such right now that teaching students little but self esteem and sensitivity training is not going to solve the problem. And of course charter school are anathema to the Democrats and the Teachers unions.
 
Right, but that has to come through education. However the education system is such right now that teaching students little but self esteem and sensitivity training is not going to solve the problem. And of course charter school are anathema to the Democrats and the Teachers unions.

charter schools are for people who have the money to pay, and many people don't have the money to pay charter schools. that is why public education exists
 
That's the message that you took from my post? You really do have a stupendous talent for reading between the lines material that simply isn't there and that other people don't see.

Terrorists want to be effective. Don't they? They usually have a goal in mind. Don't they? Was Brevik effective or not?

I doubt Brevik was effective at all because there aren't any other Breviks to take his place. Islamic terrorists are spread out around the world with another always ready to be trained and involved. We learned recently that they actually have a school for suicide bombers, as well as schools for terrorists. Brevik, and whoever his friends might be, don't come close to the real thing. There is just not enough motivation.
 
charter schools are for people who have the money to pay, and many people don't have the money to pay charter schools. that is why public education exists

The 'voucher system' costs the same but parents get to choose where their children may attend. Income does not make a difference.
 
Right, but that has to come through education. However the education system is such right now that teaching students little but self esteem and sensitivity training is not going to solve the problem. And of course charter school are anathema to the Democrats and the Teachers unions.

The current education system is the reason these kids have never been taught the evil and true nature of socialism. We are reaping the rewards of Liberal education.
 
The current education system is the reason these kids have never been taught the evil and true nature of socialism. We are reaping the rewards of Liberal education.

Schools should be able to teach people how to approach a subject with a open mind and not be taught dogmatic believes.
 
even if the revolution is based on the french revolution.

The purpose of war is never killing. War is using controlled violence to achieve an objective. Usually Freedom or forcing someone to act the way you want them to. Had the French at that time been knowledgeable in the conduct of war and were controlled and disciplined, many of the atrocities would not of occurred. But then again, maybe they would because they had a different concept of the conduct of war at that time.
 
I doubt Brevik was effective at all because there aren't any other Breviks to take his place.

I don't think that this is the correct metric. Look at what MLK, Jr. accomplished in his life. James Earl Ray assassinated him. What more could King have accomplished if he had lived? Does the fact that there were no follow-on assassinations indicate that Ray wasn't effective in stopping the work of King? What would have happened if instead of one man, Ray, like Brevik, had assassinated the top 100 leaders of the Civil Rights movement? Would that have been effective in achieving their goal or not? How much has history been changed by individuals like King or Gandhi? Were these men just cogs, were there ready substitutes for these men? Is Jesse Jackson a perfect substitute for King?
 
Remember all the outrage in 2009, when DHS put out a report about the increasing danger of right wing terrorism?

BS i say false flag, EVERYONE KNOWS they listen to EVERYTHING!
 
Schools should be able to teach people how to approach a subject with a open mind and not be taught dogmatic believes.

Can you grok the irony in what you just wrote?
 
I don't think that this is the correct metric. Look at what MLK, Jr. accomplished in his life. James Earl Ray assassinated him. What more could King have accomplished if he had lived? Does the fact that there were no follow-on assassinations indicate that Ray wasn't effective in stopping the work of King? What would have happened if instead of one man, Ray, like Brevik, had assassinated the top 100 leaders of the Civil Rights movement? Would that have been effective in achieving their goal or not? How much has history been changed by individuals like King or Gandhi? Were these men just cogs, were there ready substitutes for these men? Is Jesse Jackson a perfect substitute for King?

We all inherited the mantle of leadership from doctor martin luther king Jr.
 
The 'voucher system' costs the same but parents get to choose where their children may attend. Income does not make a difference.

Depends on the nature of charter school and the tuition system. If tuition is generally fixed at all the charter schools, then yes income would not matter, but if they are private schools with the ability to charge what tuition what ever they choose, then income would of course matter.

Now one of the risks with charter schools and the voucher system if it became the norm rather then just an option could be cash back to the parents. The charter school gives cash back to the parents when the child is enrolled, using very little money to educate the child, and allowing the parent to use the money on a vacation or new iphone
 
Schools should be able to teach people how to approach a subject with a open mind and not be taught dogmatic believes.

Interesting that a liberal, aka, socialist reads that as "children should be taught THAT socailism is evil" and not as what was actually written.
 
Interesting that a liberal, aka, socialist reads that as "children should be taught THAT socailism is evil" and not as what was actually written.

shouldn't people be allowed to make their own judgement on whether or not socialism is "evil"?
 
shouldn't people be allowed to make their own judgement on whether or not socialism is "evil"?
In many cases Socialism has been extremely 'evil' and, over the longer term, unsustainable. Those people who are using their own judgement when arguing for socialist policies tend to not understand history, basic economics or human behavior. That's why a proper education in these areas is so important.
 
In many cases Socialism has been extremely 'evil' and, over the longer term, unsustainable. Those people who are using their own judgement when arguing for socialist policies tend to not understand history, basic economics or human behavior. That's why a proper education in these areas are so important.

that would require students being able to access the readings of socialist thinkers and how socialism developed.
 
In many cases Socialism has been extremely 'evil' and, over the longer term, unsustainable. Those people who are using their own judgement when arguing for socialist policies tend to not understand history, basic economics or human behavior. That's why a proper education in these areas is so important.

I think he may still be confused by the difference "about" and "that".
 
shouldn't people be allowed to make their own judgement on whether or not socialism is "evil"?

As a personal philosophy, sure. As a system of government no.

Think of it like a strawberry-crap yoghurt sundae. I like strawberry yoghurt. You, the socialist, want to compromise by introducing some dog crap into the sundae. There is no compromise possible because to compromise means to rape the liberty of the objector.

You and your fellow socialists can join together and do all of your socialisty things together voluntarily. No problem. The problem arises when you start stealing my income, my assets, and my freedom in order to achieve your socialisty goals. There are no compromises possible with respect to other people's liberty. You can eat dog crap yoghurt until you bust, but don't shove that onto other people, unwilling people, people who simply want to eat their strawberry yoghurt.
 
Should students be allowed to draw their own conclusions? should they be allowed to make a argument that the socialist thinkers may have had valid points?

Do I get to control your sex life? What makes you think that you, a socialist, should have any control over any aspect of my life?
 
Should students be allowed to draw their own conclusions? should they be allowed to make a argument that the socialist thinkers may have had valid points?

Students are there to learn, not be brainwashed. The more students learn about socialism and its history, if they are also taught the alternatives, the more they will reject it.
 
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