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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

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BAM!! Vetoed!
 
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Governor Brewer has just announced she has vetoed this bill - good for her, and good for Arizona.
 
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This issue isn't going away. As liberal totalitarianism gets worse and more Human Rights are eroded, some state will fire the first shot to launch the new Civil Rights battle of our era. It's always difficult being the first out of the gate. Look at the long struggle that blacks had to endure before the ball got rolling in that battle.
 
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She said the bill had broad wording that could lead to problems up the road.
 
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prometeus said:
Let me ask you this: Do you care one way or another if discrimination takes place?
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Yes.

And they have every right to sell their whatever, nobody it stopping them.
However, when you open a business to the public you no longer can pick and choose. It is the public or nothing. You want to sell only to a select group, open a membership only private business that is not geared to serve the public.
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You're just supporting the law with the law. That doesn't work towards arguing your point.

True, but having laws that specifically allow it does act on it.
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Well, you either take baby steps or do nothing most of the time. That is just the nature of the beast of politics.

What you are saying is that to discriminate is a right or that discrimination can not exist.
Do you or would you like to be the victim of discrimination?
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Emotional appeal.

Nor do they have the right to discriminate in a place that by intent, their intent, is public.
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Nope, private property is private.

No one is asking them to.
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Can people sue if they don't? Yes.

Laws are designed to keep order in society and most of the time prohibit certain actions. In the cases where they are prohibitive in nature they exist because the action they prohibit negatively impacts society. if the action did not exist there would be no need for such laws. We both know that discrimination does exist and that is why laws against it exist. Such laws NEVER compel anyone to do anything in a public setting but prohibit certain actions. If one is averse to such actions one can always avoid facing situations where one can be exposed to them.
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No, that is statist drivel that leads to tyranny. Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another. A just law can only ever be one that protects the rights of people.
 
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BOOM!!!

that crap got vetoed just like i said
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes SB 1062 - CNN.com

but rest assured there will be more panic and fear and or bigotry spark up since equality is winning :D
 
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Cephus said:
So atheist business owners could deny service to religious customers, so long as they assert that it's because of their atheism? Bet that would make a lot of religious idiots scream.
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An interesting thought, except that atheism is a belief system. It is not a religion.
 
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Beatrice said:
She said the bill had broad wording that could lead to problems up the road.
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And that was the problem with it.
She did the right thing.
 
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RiverDad said:
This issue isn't going away. As liberal totalitarianism gets worse and more Human Rights are eroded, some state will fire the first shot to launch the new Civil Rights battle of our era. It's always difficult being the first out of the gate. Look at the long struggle that blacks had to endure before the ball got rolling in that battle.
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Nice spin. This is just one more dagger in rightwing TOTALITARIANISM.

You are on the wrong side of mainstream America.

The right used to tell the hippies, "love it or leave it."

I think it is now more civil just to say to the right, "Adapt and improvise."

America will forever advance and be on the side of liberty. Let freedom ring.

Social conservative oppression is a thing of the past. It will no longer be tolerated in America. One step at a time. Forward.

God bless America.
 
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heres some more links
Arizona governor vetoes anti-gay bill
Arizona governor vetoes anti-gay bill

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer Vetoes Anti-Gay Bill
Arizona Governor Jan Brewer Vetoes Anti-Gay Bill - NBC News

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes so-called anti-gay bill
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes so-called anti-gay bill - latimes.com

Arizona governor vetoes controversial bill allowing denial of service to gays
Arizona governor vetoes controversial bill allowing denial of service to gays

Arizona Governor Vetoes Bill Seen Discriminating Against Gays
Arizona Governor Vetoes Bill Seen Discriminating Against Gays - Businessweek

Jan Brewer Announces Veto Of Arizona Anti-Gay Bill SB 1062
Jan Brewer Announces Veto Of Arizona Anti-Gay Bill SB 1062

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes anti-gay bill
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes anti-gay bill | MSNBC

Arizona governor vetoes anti-gay bill
Arizona governor vetoes anti-gay bill - Chicago Sun-Times
 
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RiverDad said:
This issue isn't going away. As liberal totalitarianism gets worse and more Human Rights are eroded, some state will fire the first shot to launch the new Civil Rights battle of our era. It's always difficult being the first out of the gate. Look at the long struggle that blacks had to endure before the ball got rolling in that battle.
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ROFL. You are kidding, right?
 
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CriticalThought said:
ROFL. You are kidding, right?
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Ol' Dad sounds like a figure skater that just scored low in the Olympics.

But I'm not gonna judge. I think I might have been a sore loser once or twice in my lifetime too. I can't cast any stones.

And I can't resist a big ol', "Neener-Neener," either. But I'm trying.
 
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AGENT J said:
BOOM!!!

that crap got vetoed just like i said
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes SB 1062 - CNN.com

but rest assured there will be more panic and fear and or bigotry spark up since equality is winning :D
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Everybody who isn't a right wing dingbat understood that even a bulb as dim as Jan Brewer couldn't let this piece of crap become law.
 
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Henrin said:
Yes.
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I should have asked a better question, but correct me if I am wrong I will assume you frown upon the act.

You're just supporting the law with the law.
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What law am I supporting? This is about me being against a law that clearly protects bigotry.

That doesn't work towards arguing your point.
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Well, you either take baby steps or do nothing most of the time. That is just the nature of the beast of politics.
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But this is about discrimination not politics.

Emotional appeal.
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Not at all. Does discrimination exist? No emotion, yes or no will do this time.

Nope, private property is private.
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Yes it is, you just can not discriminate when you put it up for sale to the public.

Can people sue if they don't? Yes.
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Irrelevant.

No, that is statist drivel that leads to tyranny.
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By opposing discrimination and bigotry? Brilliant deduction.

Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another.
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And discrimination

A just law can only ever be one that protects the rights of people.
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Not at the expense of the rights of others.
 
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Captain America said:
Nice spin. This is just one more dagger in rightwing TOTALITARIANISM.

You are on the wrong side of mainstream America.

The right used to tell the hippies, "love it or leave it."

I think it is now more civil just to say to the right, "Adapt and improvise."

America will forever advance and be on the side of liberty. Let freedom ring.

Social conservative oppression is a thing of the past. It will no longer be tolerated in America. One step at a time. Forward.

God bless America.
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Eventually even outposts of racism and bigotry like Arizona and Texas will get the message. They just have this overwhelming need to publicly humiliate themselves every so often and then they get smacked down. They'll be back. Or maybe they'll move to Uganda or Russia, where their feelings about gay people are widely shared.
 
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Wiggen said:
Eventually even outposts of racism and bigotry like Arizona and Texas will get the message. They just have this overwhelming need to publicly humiliate themselves every so often and then they get smacked down. They'll be back. Or maybe they'll move to Uganda or Russia, where their feelings about gay people are widely shared.
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Compared to, where is it you said you lived? What state?
 
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Wiggen said:
Everybody who isn't a right wing dingbat understood that even a bulb as dim as Jan Brewer couldn't let this piece of crap become law.
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when you have mitt romney and others tweeting "vetoing it is the right thing to do" its pretty obvious
 
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Wiggen said:
Eventually even outposts of racism and bigotry like Arizona and Texas will get the message. They just have this overwhelming need to publicly humiliate themselves every so often and then they get smacked down. They'll be back. Or maybe they'll move to Uganda or Russia, where their feelings about gay people are widely shared.
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I wonder if Texas is jealous of AZ for trying to be even whackier than them? There is only room for ONE Lone Star State.
 
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RiverDad said:
This issue isn't going away. As liberal totalitarianism gets worse and more Human Rights are eroded, some state will fire the first shot to launch the new Civil Rights battle of our era. It's always difficult being the first out of the gate. Look at the long struggle that blacks had to endure before the ball got rolling in that battle.
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I so luv that phrase "liberal totalitarianism". Telling Americans that they can't discriminate in business or government is now "liberal totalitarianism" Telling Americans that all citizens should have the same rights and access to the same government services is now "liberal totalitarianism". Telling Americans that government should not be making women's medical decisions is now "liberal totalitarianism". Telling Americans that all religions and non-religions should have equal access to government property is now "liberal totalitarianism" but allowing Americans to pick and choose which religion, which customer, which 'person' is to reign supreme over all others is to be seen as "freedom"
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Compared to, where is it you said you lived? What state?
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YOu have this obsession about wanting to know where I live. Are you a stalker?
 
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Because I'm understanding better the excesses of partisan posting, though I enjoy it for election threads,
I'm holding a couple of posts for this thread right now.
The Log Cabin GOP on Chris Hayes called him out for piling on so to speak and not being thrilled.
Hayes returned that a GOP gov vetoed a GOP bill, then Hayes tried to tie in DOMA, since log cabins disagree with current GOP orthodoxy .
Risky Thicket said:
Compared to, where is it you said you lived? What state?
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prometeus said:
I should have asked a better question, but correct me if I am wrong I will assume you frown upon the act.
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Yes, of course.

What law am I supporting? This is about me being against a law that clearly protects bigotry.
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This whole public business nonsense you're going on about is just referring to the law. There is no such thing as a public business or a business open to the public.


But this is about discrimination not politics.
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No, it deals with government, so it deals with politics.

Not at all. Does discrimination exist? No emotion, yes or no will do this time.
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Of course. It was still an appeal to emotion though.


Yes it is, you just can not discriminate when you put it up for sale to the public.
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No such thing is happening.

Irrelevant.
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Afraid not. That is the force of the state.

By opposing discrimination and bigotry? Brilliant deduction.
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No, this idea that you have that everything that harms society should be acted upon can only ever lead to tyranny. How many vices would you like to ban today? Hmmm?

And discrimination
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Nope. You can't expand it because it makes you feel better. That is not how justice works.

Not at the expense of the rights of others.
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Which you haven't shown is happening.
 
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